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quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
quote:Originally posted by bullshot
A better ending would have been you shooting Dude #2 in the face and a center mass double tap for Mr. dude #1.
I'm guessing that you don't carry.meh. I really don't want to shoot someone unless I have to.
dude #1 wasn't presenting himself as a threat. at the time anyway. no, I don't carry. that should change pretty soon.
Yes, the last thing I would want to do is shoot someone but I'm pretty sure it's the thing I would do if some animal like that punched me in the head while I was just sitting in my car.
Just a matter of time before that same POS kills someone just like you for next to nothing.
"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you"
I think you handled that situation the best way any of us could.You did a great job of keeping your cool and your wits about you. I would not have reacted the same way and probably got myself in big trouble, even though I know how to fight. I don't put myself in those situations anymore, because to many people have guns and knives and I want to live a little longer. Your one big dude and could have stomped a mud hole in their *, but your breathing and that is better. Oh, and their in cuffs. You did good man, real good and a good outcome. I am not as good as most under pressure and explode. That is where most get into deep trouble. Oakie
Glad you posted this. 'Cause now, as has been commented, we ALL need a swift kick in the complacency area.
Any one of us could have been in your situation. How would each of us of handled it?
Obviously, as many different ways as there are members on this board.
The fact remains... Most likely a few of us would of NOT handled it as well as you did.
Whereby coming out in a very worse way than you.
I carry EVERYWHERE any more. On my person and in my vehicle.
But, for some reason, I don't feel as prepared now as I did yesterday.
Your post has got me concerned for me and mine.
I've got work to do... I hope you realize that you do as well.
In fact... I hope we ALL realize we have more to do.
To everyone... STAY SAFE. Protect yourself and your families.
When the guy asked you for a smoke - that was a test. When he hung by the door and you went out of your way to make sure he got the smoke - another test. Same thing with "you staring at me?" These folks are like animals, the smell compliant behavior on someone and go after them.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
once you open up dialog they see it as a weakness, asking for change cigs etc, no need to be rude but state firmly NO
starting a fight is common, this justifies what they are about to do in their mind, once this happens it will accelerate quickly, ether by feeling it as weakness if you do not react quickly, or by feeling its self defense , again justifying their actions {hands up is a distraction just before you get clocked}
in mo unless they changed it, there was a provision you can carry in your vehicle without a ccw
a clerk was shot last night on south grand during a robbery at a 7-11, where is pistoljim when you need him to convince you south saint Louis is a safe place to live ?
Damn dude, you got a good memory.[:D]
I believe I said you were right about the south side.
It has been a year since I moved out to Oakville.
In the year since I moved, I believe there have been at least 4
murders within a mile from my old house.
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
1. dude punched me in the head. a few blocks away grabbed stuff out of my car. is that 2nd degree robbery? both didn't occur at the same time, so I would think it's assault, stealing and something like "vehicular invasion" if that exists. but, the cops know their job better than I do. could somebody clue me in as to how that would be 2nd degree robbery?In the state of WV the first two would have enough to put "Obama's son" in a body bag.
let's take another look at the Missouri Revised Statutes.
USE OF FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSONS 563.031
West Virgina Code
?55-7-22. Civil relief for persons resisting certain criminal activities.
(c) A person not engaged in unlawful activity who is attacked in any place he or she has a legal right to be outside of his or her home or residence may use reasonable and proportionate force against an intruder or attacker: Provided, That such person may use deadly force against an intruder or attacker in a place that is not his or her residence without a duty to retreat if the person reasonably believes that he or she or another is in imminent danger of death or serious * harm from which he or she or another can only be saved by the use of deadly force against the intruder or attacker.
===
Getting hit in the head = Right to turn the perp into a Daisey pusher.
Here in Mo. since they passed the castle doctrine, you can shoot
someone who unlawfully enters your home,car,or tent. 1911a1 fan is
correct, you can carry in your car without a ccw. You can also open
carry. Under the castle doctrine if you shoot someone, he cannot sue
you and if you kill him, his family cannot sue you either.
Glad you're ok. Be careful out there. I've heard from friends that after the way the cops were treated over the Ferguson fiasco, not as much preventative police work is being done here ... just answering calls. Poor morale among the ranks. Who can blame them, but we're more on our own than before.
quote:Originally posted by bullshot
Just a matter of time before that same POS kills someone just like you for next to nothing.he may have already! I don't know that psycho sonofab or where he came from
quote:Originally posted by Oakie
I think you handled that situation the best way any of us could.You did a great job of keeping your cool and your wits about you. I would not have reacted the same way and probably got myself in big trouble, even though I know how to fight. I don't put myself in those situations anymore, because to many people have guns and knives and I want to live a little longer. Your one big dude and could have stomped a mud hole in their *, but your breathing and that is better. Oh, and their in cuffs. You did good man, real good and a good outcome. I am not as good as most under pressure and explode. That is where most get into deep trouble. Oakieyyyyep this aint high school kiddie fights anymore
quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
<sigh> have to make more money if I want to move out...
quit smoking. Instant raise!...you're right... $130/month
quote:Originally posted by nutfinn
Why would you even talk to these folks?being nice.
quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
When the guy asked you for a smoke - that was a test. When he hung by the door and you went out of your way to make sure he got the smoke - another test. Same thing with "you staring at me?" These folks are like animals, the smell compliant behavior on someone and go after them.I was thinking about that, they were between the car and the gas pump. maybe their strategy was that an occupant in the car would be afraid to shoot with the gas pump directly behind them, so they could get away with this sort of crap without being shot.
I don't care if they confuse being nice with being "weak". they can find out the hard way. I can get just as psycho as they are I don't give a damn. dude, if I wasn't being careful, I would have got out and plastered that creep all around the gas station. been some days if he would have caught me, that would have got as far as "what you looking at" he would have been sorry he ever met me, he's just a bag of blood.
quote:Originally posted by pistoljim
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
once you open up dialog they see it as a weakness, asking for change cigs etc, no need to be rude but state firmly NO
starting a fight is common, this justifies what they are about to do in their mind, once this happens it will accelerate quickly, ether by feeling it as weakness if you do not react quickly, or by feeling its self defense , again justifying their actions {hands up is a distraction just before you get clocked}
in mo unless they changed it, there was a provision you can carry in your vehicle without a ccw
a clerk was shot last night on south grand during a robbery at a 7-11, where is pistoljim when you need him to convince you south saint Louis is a safe place to live ?
Damn dude, you got a good memory.[:D]
I believe I said you were right about the south side.
It has been a year since I moved out to Oakville.
In the year since I moved, I believe there have been at least 4
murders within a mile from my old house.
hey check this out, dude is robbing 3 people, somebody else comes up and shoots at them
"you know you have a crime problem in your neighborhood when..." [:D]
quote:Originally posted by thunderbolt
You kept your cool in a bad situation and you're alive. Thank God!
thanx
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
I can't believe I'm reading this.....how old are you Buschmaster?...???You have any military background?47 and no, why? [?]
quote:Originally posted by oldWinchesterfan
Glad you're ok. Be careful out there. I've heard from friends that after the way the cops were treated over the Ferguson fiasco, not as much preventative police work is being done here ... just answering calls. Poor morale among the ranks. Who can blame them, but we're more on our own than before.
that's true. same as what they did in New York after that "I can't breathe" dude. Baltimore too. I really don't think it's poor morale so much as meant to punish the people.
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
quote:Originally posted by oldWinchesterfan
Glad you're ok. Be careful out there. I've heard from friends that after the way the cops were treated over the Ferguson fiasco, not as much preventative police work is being done here ... just answering calls. Poor morale among the ranks. Who can blame them, but we're more on our own than before.
that's true. same as what they did in New York after that "I can't breathe" dude. Baltimore too. I really don't think it's poor morale so much as meant to punish the people.
You're probably right. Interesting though how the news folks are all gushing about the increase in murders here, this year over last, but no one seems to dig into why the numbers have jumped.
Whether one carries or not, there always needs to be situational awareness.
Glad you are OK, and I hope you rethink your reluctance to 'judge people'. 'Judging people' has been made to be a bad thing in the last few touchy feely years/decades.
When all is said and done, judgement is what keeps us alive.
I called the fuzz today to see what happens next. they said he will be charged with disturbing the peace and stealing (under 500$).
I suppose, since "fighting" falls under that, and all he did was punch me in the head. didn't cause injury and there wasn't a continued struggle so it wasn't "assault". just popped me on the head and ran off.
other dude got charged with receiving stolen property.
said they will probably plead guilty, no trial, so they won't need me for anything. that's it I suppose.
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
I called the fuzz today to see what happens next. they said he will be charged with disturbing the peace and stealing (under 500$).
I suppose, since "fighting" falls under that, and all he did was punch me in the head. didn't cause injury and there wasn't a continued struggle so it wasn't "assault". just popped me on the head and ran off.
other dude got charged with receiving stolen property.
said they will probably plead guilty, no trial, so they won't need me for anything. that's it I suppose.
that's just sad, crap like that makes you feel like a victim all over again
the receiving stolen property will get dropped I bet
It's sad that people think it's okay to steal. They probably don't work, or want to work. The world is going crazy. I agree with others who said that it's best not to talk to these Knuckle Heads. Happy you are alive to tell your story.
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quote:Originally posted by bullshot
A better ending would have been you shooting Dude #2 in the face and a center mass double tap for Mr. dude #1.
I'm guessing that you don't carry.meh. I really don't want to shoot someone unless I have to.
dude #1 wasn't presenting himself as a threat. at the time anyway. no, I don't carry. that should change pretty soon.
Yes, the last thing I would want to do is shoot someone but I'm pretty sure it's the thing I would do if some animal like that punched me in the head while I was just sitting in my car.
Just a matter of time before that same POS kills someone just like you for next to nothing.
<sigh> have to make more money if I want to move out...
quit smoking. Instant raise!
Damn glad you're Okay.
Secondly...
Glad you posted this. 'Cause now, as has been commented, we ALL need a swift kick in the complacency area.
Any one of us could have been in your situation. How would each of us of handled it?
Obviously, as many different ways as there are members on this board.
The fact remains... Most likely a few of us would of NOT handled it as well as you did.
Whereby coming out in a very worse way than you.
I carry EVERYWHERE any more. On my person and in my vehicle.
But, for some reason, I don't feel as prepared now as I did yesterday.
Your post has got me concerned for me and mine.
I've got work to do... I hope you realize that you do as well.
In fact... I hope we ALL realize we have more to do.
To everyone... STAY SAFE. Protect yourself and your families.
Based in what happened to you; If perp attacks you shoot him in the head then call the cops.
You may save a young mothers life because they will do this again.
once you open up dialog they see it as a weakness, asking for change cigs etc, no need to be rude but state firmly NO
starting a fight is common, this justifies what they are about to do in their mind, once this happens it will accelerate quickly, ether by feeling it as weakness if you do not react quickly, or by feeling its self defense , again justifying their actions {hands up is a distraction just before you get clocked}
in mo unless they changed it, there was a provision you can carry in your vehicle without a ccw
a clerk was shot last night on south grand during a robbery at a 7-11, where is pistoljim when you need him to convince you south saint Louis is a safe place to live ?
Damn dude, you got a good memory.[:D]
I believe I said you were right about the south side.
It has been a year since I moved out to Oakville.
In the year since I moved, I believe there have been at least 4
murders within a mile from my old house.
quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
1. dude punched me in the head. a few blocks away grabbed stuff out of my car. is that 2nd degree robbery? both didn't occur at the same time, so I would think it's assault, stealing and something like "vehicular invasion" if that exists. but, the cops know their job better than I do. could somebody clue me in as to how that would be 2nd degree robbery?In the state of WV the first two would have enough to put "Obama's son" in a body bag.
let's take another look at the Missouri Revised Statutes.
USE OF FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSONS 563.031
West Virgina Code
?55-7-22. Civil relief for persons resisting certain criminal activities.
(c) A person not engaged in unlawful activity who is attacked in any place he or she has a legal right to be outside of his or her home or residence may use reasonable and proportionate force against an intruder or attacker: Provided, That such person may use deadly force against an intruder or attacker in a place that is not his or her residence without a duty to retreat if the person reasonably believes that he or she or another is in imminent danger of death or serious * harm from which he or she or another can only be saved by the use of deadly force against the intruder or attacker.
===
Getting hit in the head = Right to turn the perp into a Daisey pusher.
someone who unlawfully enters your home,car,or tent. 1911a1 fan is
correct, you can carry in your car without a ccw. You can also open
carry. Under the castle doctrine if you shoot someone, he cannot sue
you and if you kill him, his family cannot sue you either.
Just a matter of time before that same POS kills someone just like you for next to nothing.he may have already! I don't know that psycho sonofab or where he came from
quote:Originally posted by Oakie
I think you handled that situation the best way any of us could.You did a great job of keeping your cool and your wits about you. I would not have reacted the same way and probably got myself in big trouble, even though I know how to fight. I don't put myself in those situations anymore, because to many people have guns and knives and I want to live a little longer. Your one big dude and could have stomped a mud hole in their *, but your breathing and that is better. Oh, and their in cuffs. You did good man, real good and a good outcome. I am not as good as most under pressure and explode. That is where most get into deep trouble. Oakieyyyyep this aint high school kiddie fights anymore
quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
<sigh> have to make more money if I want to move out...
quit smoking. Instant raise!...you're right... $130/month
quote:Originally posted by nutfinn
Why would you even talk to these folks?being nice.
quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
When the guy asked you for a smoke - that was a test. When he hung by the door and you went out of your way to make sure he got the smoke - another test. Same thing with "you staring at me?" These folks are like animals, the smell compliant behavior on someone and go after them.I was thinking about that, they were between the car and the gas pump. maybe their strategy was that an occupant in the car would be afraid to shoot with the gas pump directly behind them, so they could get away with this sort of crap without being shot.
I don't care if they confuse being nice with being "weak". they can find out the hard way. I can get just as psycho as they are I don't give a damn. dude, if I wasn't being careful, I would have got out and plastered that creep all around the gas station. been some days if he would have caught me, that would have got as far as "what you looking at" he would have been sorry he ever met me, he's just a bag of blood.
quote:Originally posted by pistoljim
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
once you open up dialog they see it as a weakness, asking for change cigs etc, no need to be rude but state firmly NO
starting a fight is common, this justifies what they are about to do in their mind, once this happens it will accelerate quickly, ether by feeling it as weakness if you do not react quickly, or by feeling its self defense , again justifying their actions {hands up is a distraction just before you get clocked}
in mo unless they changed it, there was a provision you can carry in your vehicle without a ccw
a clerk was shot last night on south grand during a robbery at a 7-11, where is pistoljim when you need him to convince you south saint Louis is a safe place to live ?
Damn dude, you got a good memory.[:D]
I believe I said you were right about the south side.
It has been a year since I moved out to Oakville.
In the year since I moved, I believe there have been at least 4
murders within a mile from my old house.
hey check this out, dude is robbing 3 people, somebody else comes up and shoots at them
http://www.kmov.com/story/29598175/police-seek-help-locating-suspect-seen-on-surveillance-video-fatally-shooting-man
"you know you have a crime problem in your neighborhood when..." [:D]
quote:Originally posted by thunderbolt
You kept your cool in a bad situation and you're alive. Thank God!
thanx
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
I can't believe I'm reading this.....how old are you Buschmaster?...???You have any military background?47 and no, why? [?]
Glad you're ok. Be careful out there. I've heard from friends that after the way the cops were treated over the Ferguson fiasco, not as much preventative police work is being done here ... just answering calls. Poor morale among the ranks. Who can blame them, but we're more on our own than before.
that's true. same as what they did in New York after that "I can't breathe" dude. Baltimore too. I really don't think it's poor morale so much as meant to punish the people.
quote:Originally posted by oldWinchesterfan
Glad you're ok. Be careful out there. I've heard from friends that after the way the cops were treated over the Ferguson fiasco, not as much preventative police work is being done here ... just answering calls. Poor morale among the ranks. Who can blame them, but we're more on our own than before.
that's true. same as what they did in New York after that "I can't breathe" dude. Baltimore too. I really don't think it's poor morale so much as meant to punish the people.
You're probably right. Interesting though how the news folks are all gushing about the increase in murders here, this year over last, but no one seems to dig into why the numbers have jumped.
Glad you are OK, and I hope you rethink your reluctance to 'judge people'. 'Judging people' has been made to be a bad thing in the last few touchy feely years/decades.
When all is said and done, judgement is what keeps us alive.
I suppose, since "fighting" falls under that, and all he did was punch me in the head. didn't cause injury and there wasn't a continued struggle so it wasn't "assault". just popped me on the head and ran off.
other dude got charged with receiving stolen property.
said they will probably plead guilty, no trial, so they won't need me for anything. that's it I suppose.
I called the fuzz today to see what happens next. they said he will be charged with disturbing the peace and stealing (under 500$).
I suppose, since "fighting" falls under that, and all he did was punch me in the head. didn't cause injury and there wasn't a continued struggle so it wasn't "assault". just popped me on the head and ran off.
other dude got charged with receiving stolen property.
said they will probably plead guilty, no trial, so they won't need me for anything. that's it I suppose.
that's just sad, crap like that makes you feel like a victim all over again
the receiving stolen property will get dropped I bet