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m1 garand

colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
edited February 2002 in Ask the Experts
I just got a correct grade M1 from CMP. I don't know a whole lot about them, I field stripped it and cleaned it by using the instructions included. Everything looks great. I was wondering though, the instruction say I should have it looked over by an experienced gunsmith before firing. Is this just a c.y.a. statement, aren't these rifles headspaced and test fired? Thanks, John
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just purchased my first Springfield M1 Garand at a gun show. It is an arsenal rebuild and I probably paid too much for it. but it is a piece of history. The action is dated 1942 and the barrel is 1950. The stock on the riffle is UGHY Beach or Burch and needs to be replaced. My question is should I look for an old military stock w/proof marks and cartouches or just find one from Gunparts or Boyds? If someone knows where to find a military at a good price let me know?
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Would it be easier to build a garand or to by one?
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Looking for a source to researh serial a M1 Garand serial number. The serial number is 11815 if anyone has the info handy. Thanks

    shenandoahbiz@aol.com
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What number would represent excessive "throat errosion" in an M1 Garand? ie what is "unusable?"
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can anyone please tell me what an A stamp on a garand stock means?There are no other markings on the stock and the serial number dates it to February 1945.
    Thanks for the help
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have been thinking of purschasing an m1 garand through the CMP. I have hear that commerical ammunition can damage the m1 rifle over time. I don't reload. My question is what kind of commerical ammunition can I use in the m1? I am thinking of using it for hunting and for target shooting. I am aware that you can purschase military ammo from the CMP and would think about doing this. I just want to make sure that I can purschase ammo that is safe from another source in case the CMP's ammo dries up. Also, any comments on the CMP m1 rifles would be apreciated. Thanks for the replies!
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Was the M1 Garand produced only in semi-auto or was there a selectfire full auto version?
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am thinking about buying a M1 Garand, Winchester, #1237132.

    Would appreciate it if anybody can provide date of manufacture.

    Thanks

    BE QUICK - BE DEADLY!!!
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can any one help me to decipher the markings on an M1 garand?I understand in order to place a proper value on it I must first understand these. Direction to a website covering this topic would be great.
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Friend has a Nat Ord M1 garand. Some parts look GI others look new manufactured. IE barrel, receiver, etc. When were these made and by who? Thanks.
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Looked at and M1 Garand today that I know very little about that was at a local flea market for $350.00. The receiver said made in USA by C. A. I. The woman that was selling it said that it was in good working order. The stock didn't have any cracks in it and didn't look to awful rough. I noticed it looked like it had a new barrel on it, but the receiver didn't look new. Also didn't see any numbers that matched on different parts. What else should I look for on these guns and what would be price range. I don't have a clue about these, but would like to learn more. Also I feel like a person could easily get a good burning on these if they don't know what to look for and what companies made them.
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have an old m1 Garand the receiver says US Rifle cal 30 m1 Springfeild Armory but the barrel says Blue Sky/Alexandria VA. I was just curious as to what it is and what it might be worth. This was acquired many years back and I have never messed with it. The other day one of my buddies asked me about it and we saw the two different names and thought it might be a "kit" gun but that thing is old I know it hasn't been fired in over 17 years "I have never shot it"[:I] thanks for your help kevin
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Going to look at a M1 Garand tomorrow and aside from the obvious (bore, metal, wood) what should I look for? Low serial number which I was told by person here year of mfg. Given a site to visit but aol went kaput and lost it. Realizing from previous post that serial numbers probably will not match I do not know where to go from just an overall look. Thanks for any assistance you can give me.

    Franko fpateconner@aol.com
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello. Does anyone know what a excellend condition International Harvester M1 Garand is worth. I am about to put it up for auction. Thanks
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi, I'm looking at a winchester m-1 #1605xxx, barrel is mint. a couple of internal parts don't match serial numbers. stock is very good and not refinished. reifle has a weld mark on top and underneath just in front of the receiver. Someone told me that this would indicate that it was a Ntl.guard rifle and they did this to them before issueing them out to the vfw's. Any ideas? Valuation.
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can a M1 Garand be converted into say a M1C or M1D or even a M1A or M14 because of the similarities in these rifles seems to me it could be possible but i'm no expert, anyone?
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    A friend has a US Rifle Cal. 30 M1 Springfeild Armory Ser# 1990454, Blue Sky Production stamped on the barrel and on the box it was in. The receiver and the barrel looks alot newer than the wood on the gun. Any info on this M1 would be helpful, who is Blue Sky Production and what would it be worth. Thank you P.S. what are these guns selling for, ballpark.
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Guy, I have a M 1 Garand that the serial numbers start 283--- I would like to find out alittle bit about it. and its value.the receiver and all parts are 90 percent along with the barrel. but the guy put an after market garand stock on.. it has the original fore stock and hand guard. it is in 30-06. please help I find garand in the blue book but can not tell exactly what it is. Thanks Steve
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I heard that Springfield was going to permanently stop making the M1 Garand. Has anyone else heard this? I also just bought the M1 Garand Iwo Jima limited edition model, of which there were to be 1,945 made. I understand that they haven't been able to finish making the 1,945 because of difficulty getting parts.
    Any thoughts??[:(]
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    One of my local sporting goods store has a M1 Garand for sale on consignment. They are asking $600.
    It is an International Harvester with the correct LMR barrel.
    Serial number 449XXXX. Maunfactured in 1953 if I am correct.
    Bore dirty but can be cleaned in my opinion. Wood dinged but not excessive. Metal actually decent for the most part with no rust or pitting to the naked eye. It appears to cycle without any problems.
    Now the hitch, it has an import mark on the barrel just under the front sight. It is very light and, in fact, cannot be read easily even with my reading glasses. However, it is there.
    So, should I ignore the import mark or keep looking? I will be buying a M1 Garand as part of a collection as the time presents itself.
    Based on the value of this rifle, does the import mark really affect the collection value for the future that much?
    Any and all comments a welcome.
    Thanks
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is there any kind of parts kit that will alow you to change this rifle from 30-06 to .308? Thanks
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    can an M1 grand be converted to an M1A1,
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good evening gentlemen/ladies, Could someone please let me know if a Springfield Armory M1 Garand manufactured in 1942 is considered a Curio& Relic? Thanks ahead of time.[:D]

    It's me again, what does "original configuration" mean? (The rifle has "rack" markings on the stock, the handguard has been replaced, it doesn't seem to have any aftermarket additions etc. Thanks. [:p]
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey everyone-

    Im going to be buying a M1 garand soon but i dont know a whole lot about the different brands/makes out there. I know springfield makes a nice one thats very accurate, but they run about 1000 bucks. i was wondering if there are any other quality makes out there, and are any of them cheaper? I want a reliable, accurate rifle, so i dont want to get one of the cheap parts guns unless they are good quality.

    Also, for anyone who owns one of these, how accurate are they with typical ball ammo? What kind of groups should i expect from the one i buy?

    Thanks in advance for any input!
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Maybe someone could help answer this question. Many years ago I picked up a Winchester model M1 Garand in a trade. The barrel is tack welded to the reciever and the gas plug was also tack welded and the plug was drilled out. I assume to make it a non semi auto. Why would this have been done? The previous owner knew nothing about the gun nor do I.I have never fired it and never will but would be interested in learning about why the tack welding was done.
    Thanks Andy.
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is an M1 Garand for sale at my local gun shop... The wood and metal is in mint condition, he said that it was an American Legion practice rifle, asking $1100... my concern with it is it doesn't have the springfield mark on it... on the side it says M-1 rifle cal 30-06... made in the USA by CAI Georgia, VT, serial number M1P22751... Any information on the rifle or the value of it would be greatly apperiated
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is there anyway you can tell from the markings the year of manufacture?
    Thanks!
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What bayonet and scabbard would be correct for a SA October 1944 M1Garand.
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    IM looking to buy a M1 Garand, preferably a WWII one, so what manufacture would be the best to chose? It seems most of them got rebarreled for the Korean War, what would be a reasonable price for a good to very good condition model?

    Alan
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just bought one and now have the question - aside from one at a time is there any way to easily load the clips?
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm new to M1's. What's the meaning of "Blue Sky/Arlington, Va." on the barrel?
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    hey guys, help me out here, i have two local gunshops in town that are both selling springfield m1,s in 308, they both claim to only have one each, and both are unfired. one has a 1499.00 price tag, and the other has 1599.00 on it. since i am looking to buy one, i was wondering about the price. they say all parts are springfield except for the top over barrel, it seems to be a tan color plastic. any ideas on this being a good purchase for a shooter and future collectable?
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  • Tailgunner1954Tailgunner1954 Member Posts: 7,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Try the "standard" ammo it's loaded with rifles like your garand in mind.Avoid the "super" stuff (ie: Hornidays light magnum).The problem comes from having to high of a gas port pressure, which can cause the op-rod to become bent.Try the 150 and 165 grainers, those being closest to the military loadings.
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  • nmyers@home.comnmyers@home.com Member Posts: 205 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The standard grade M1 from CMP is a rare opportunity to own a genuine piece of US military history. Of course, most of these rifles have been rebuilt, possibly more than once. No ammo has ever been consistently available from a single source forever. Given the popularity of the .30-06 cartridge in general, and the M1 rifle in particular, you should be able to buy some type of surplus or reloads for at least the next 100 years.While many M1's are used for hunting, they have several disadvantages: they are heavy, the types of ammo are limited, & full clips must be used and are difficult to clear. For target shooting, they are both fun and accurate.
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    I'm going to disagree with nmyers just a little. There are 2 and 5 round clips available for the M1 and the action is easily cleared (pull the operating rod to the rear and press the clip release). At just 9 1/2 lbs, it is not much heavier than many 'modern' hunting rifles with scopes and with the M1, you don't need a scope. (Who had that earlier thread about discovering the joy and accuracy of iron sights?).Tailgunner had the right dope on ammo. Stick to any of the 'standard' loads in either 150 or 165 grs and you won't hurt the rifle. As with any gas operated rifle, the system was designed for a specific pressure and dwell time (if that term is used to describe the duration of the pressure curve). Go higher than this and you will eventually damage the rifle, going lower causes extraction/ejection problems.With a little practice, you should be able to hunt and take any shot out to about 200 yards, with a lot of practice, that range can be extended.
    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
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  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994 ✭
    edited November -1
    I hunt with a Garand. I have two 5 round clips and have no problem clearing them before getting out of the stand.I do, however, use reloads for hunting. They are soft-points (lead nose). I get them from a friend of my Father-in-law.
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the info. How can I tell if the pressure will be too much for the weapon? Is there reloading or ballistic tables that I could look at? If I am understanding you right, I could shoot any of,lets say remington green box, out of an m1? I just want to be absolutely sure that the ammunition is going to be safe to use. Could I find out pressure information from possibly looking at reloading data for the various commercial rounds? Thanks again.
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  • Tailgunner1954Tailgunner1954 Member Posts: 7,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    ColtPressure listings are given for "peak chamber" what we are talking about is "port" pressure (in a garand the port is right under the front sight). What's recogmended in reloading manuals (for garands) are the 'medium' rate powders (which is also what the factorys use in their standard loadings), the slower rate powders will yeild higher volacities by increasing the average barrel pressure (not peak) this type of powder is often used in the premium ammos. Win., Rem., Fed. standard loads are all ok (and cheaper) just avoid the higher priced stuffSorry, but I'm trying to avoid getting to technicial here.
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    colt, Any load that pushes a 150 gr. bullet at about 2800-2900 fps and any that pushes a 165 gr at about 2700-2800 fps will be just fine. Since that covers all 'standard' commercial loads they will be just fine.
    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
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  • colt100colt100 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for all the info. The m1 is really looking apealing to me. Now if I can just get the better half to not blow a gasket if I order it.......Thanks all
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