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If it makes the employees of the businesses I frequent feel more comfortable and secure then it is no big deal to wear a mask for the short time I am in that establishment. Most of the preventative measures I have seen have been more psychologically effective than any thing else. 3 foot wide plexiglass shield in front of the cashier at the grocery store that was open on both sides and the back. Never mind that it didn't protect the cashier from anyone not directly in front of the shield or from the customer 3 feet behind him in the next checkout lane. People complain about the loss of freedom - what about the freedom of the business to do what they deem necessary? Wearing a mask costs me nothing, takes no effort, makes others feel better and I see no downside. Bob
Look, it is known that masks (especially improvised ones) are pretty much useless - both for incoming and outgoing contamination.
There are very few who know this or don't think about if a mask does any good. Me, I can't understand why I should have to wear a mask when it doesn't do any good. It's like wearing sunglasses at the beach to prevent sun burn. I suppose a mask gives many a false sense of security/protection much like a teddy bear gives children a secure feeling. If you're sick stay home and take some cold/flu remedies ect, if your illness gets worse see a doctor. Plain and simple. Now the economy is crippled for the foreseeable future with many out of work losing their home and ability to feed their family.
It's simple, Hunter. You wear the mask because it is the price of admission. Once again, it is merely the shirt and shoes requirement - plus one. You could flaunt the rules and stride defiantly to the door wearing nothing but two Speedos - one on your head as a mask - and you'd still be denied admission.
It's simple, Hunter. You wear the mask because it is the price of admission. Once again, it is merely the shirt and shoes requirement - plus one. You could flaunt the rules and stride defiantly to the door wearing nothing but two Speedos - one on your head as a mask - and you'd still be denied admission.
Rocky I understand that and so far I wore a mask once. I felt stupid, embarrassed and humiliated. It was horrible but that's just me. In short I felt like a sheep and looked like one too among the herd without a shepherd.
European countries have been doing a better job of getting masks worn by their people than we are. Several have a mask slogan: "I wear a mask to protect you; you wear a mask to protect me."
If I am infected with covid-19, I can spread it to those around me in the breath that comes out of my mouth & nose, as well as in my sneezes & coughs. And, I may not know that I am infected for 3-7 days after I became infected. So, if I wear a mask when I am near others, I won't spread the virus.
If I'm not infected & I wear a mask, there is SOME protection for me in wearing the mask, but no where near the protection that I would have wearing an N95 mask, goggles, face shield, & gown. But, a little of something is better than all of nothing. Sadly, even hospitals can't get enough PPE, thanks to the incompetence of the Slum Lord. So, we do the best we can with fashion masks.
European countries have been doing a better job of getting masks worn by their people than we are. Several have a mask slogan: "I wear a mask to protect you; you wear a mask to protect me."
If I am infected with covid-19, I can spread it to those around me in the breath that comes out of my mouth & nose, as well as in my sneezes & coughs. And, I may not know that I am infected for 3-7 days after I became infected. So, if I wear a mask when I am near others, I won't spread the virus.
If I'm not infected & I wear a mask, there is SOME protection for me in wearing the mask, but no where near the protection that I would have wearing an N95 mask, goggles, face shield, & gown. But, a little of something is better than all of nothing. Sadly, even hospitals can't get enough PPE, thanks to the incompetence of the Slum Lord. So, we do the best we can with fashion masks.
Neal
But you're missing the point, the masks don't do any good. The virus goes right through it and most of your breath goes around it even if it did stop the microscopic virus which it doesn't. But if it makes you feel good go right ahead and wear one or two on top of each other. As far as not knowing if your sick yet in the early stages, then wear one year round because you don't know if you have the common cold in the early stages either. I do appreciate your concern for others but your efforts and money are being wasted for the most part. Have a great day.
I have a question for the people that refuse to take a couple simple precautions because they think they are smarter than the doctors and scientists....
They are a nuisance, hot & sometimes fogs my glasses but a small price to pay. It may get worse as it gets hotter. Here we don't have any choice since it is mandated. The line to get into a store bothers me more. What I really miss is the buffet meals & it is possible they may be gone forever. Golden Corral has a list of open places but all of them in the DPRK are carry out only. Souplantation just announced they are closing all locations forever & I have $27 left on a gift card. I also eat buffets at KFC, Hometown Buffet & Sizzler. I really miss it but I think I am losing weight & my blood sugar is down.
I have a question for the people that refuse to take a couple simple precautions because they think they are smarter than the doctors and scientists....
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that something that you cannot see with a regular microscope and takes a electron microscope to even see it is not going to be filtered out with a paper mask. If you want to walk around looking stupid just because some liberal democrat backed doctor tells you to then have at it.
I have a question for the people that refuse to take a couple simple precautions because they think they are smarter than the doctors and scientists....
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that something that you cannot see with a regular microscope and takes a electron microscope to even see it is not going to be filtered out with a paper mask. If you want to walk around looking stupid just because some liberal democrat backed doctor tells you to then have at it.
A cloth mask will block the water droplets in your breath!
so when this current virus dies down how about forcing any one who is sick to wear one in public say you have the flu or a cold or ? wear a mask or face jail or huge fines . and the company's they work for have to grant paid time off for them with no penitently so stay home company's are fined for allowing workers to come in sick after all more people die from the flu might as well go all in the puddle wading is just the first step after all if it saves just one life ..............
I wear a mask in public, not for me, but for YOU. I want you to know
that I am educated enough to know that, although I have been very
careful, I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus. I don’t
“live in fear” of the virus-- I just want to be a part of the solution,
not the problem. I don’t feel the “government is controlling me”; I feel
like I’m being a contributing adult to society and I want to teach
children the same. I want them to grow up as I did knowing that the
world doesn’t revolve around me... that it’s not all about me and my
personal comfort...that if we all could live with the consideration of
others in mind, this whole world would be a much better place.
Wearing a mask doesn’t make me weak, scared, stupid or even “controlled”; it makes me considerate.
Grouch Attack works in a pork processing plant. When she comes home, she walks from one room to another hacking and barking whatever germs she carries into every corner. If I haven't got the Kung Flu yet, I'm immune and that mask thing isn't going to help me either way so I wear it above my cap bill. If I'm called out about the mask, I pull it down until I'm out of sight.
I wear a mask in public, not for me, but for YOU. I want you to know
that I am educated enough to know that, although I have been very
careful, I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus. I don’t
“live in fear” of the virus-- I just want to be a part of the solution,
not the problem. I don’t feel the “government is controlling me”; I feel
like I’m being a contributing adult to society and I want to teach
children the same. I want them to grow up as I did knowing that the
world doesn’t revolve around me... that it’s not all about me and my
personal comfort...that if we all could live with the consideration of
others in mind, this whole world would be a much better place.
Wearing a mask doesn’t make me weak, scared, stupid or even “controlled”; it makes me considerate.
Just something I read. What do you think?
That pretty much sums up my feelings about mask wearing. Another thing to consider would be the people working at the grocery store, pharmacy, gas station, post office,etc that have worked through this. If they all stayed home because of the inconsiderate customers we would be in an even bigger mess. As I said above it costs me nothing, requires no effort and makes others feel better so I will continue wearing a mask when out and about. Bob
Most of these fashion masks offer little of no protection against a virus...
Many retail fashion masks or homemade expedient masks may even act as a repository for germs and other garbage - may be focal point incubation vectors...
The average person is not changing out or cleaning their fashion mask regularly or adequately - certainly not exposing to UV light or cavicide.
Most PPE or medical masks have little or no protective value when dealing with a virus - very few folk are wearing the correct level of PPE mask with respirator valve - or are changing or cleaning them regularly or correctly...
You can take the every little thing helps attitude or realize that very little does help - the profligate profiteering being made selling fashion masks is disturbing - because we all know they are essentially worthless.
Proper hand washing and use of soap and sneezing or coughing into a handkerchief - wearing gloves to avoid contact with door knobs or push bars - avoiding public restrooms at all costs - are far more effective measures.
I am formally trained in this subject by the USDA and the FDA - I have written the HACCP procedures for ATP Testing - etc...
The amount of aerosolized fecal matter in your bathroom after you flush the toilet - which ends up on your tooth brush and rinse cup should concern you more.
Most of these businesses do not have someone on staff who understands these matters - or have been trained in the subjects - and most of the people who have had the responsibility thrust upon them either don't care much or don't know enough...
Many employers balk at PPE expenditures - and end up doing feel good look good cheap and ineffective things to satisfy their lawyers or ameliorate liability - to show the staff they care (an illusion)
While I believe that the mask you mention provides a higher level of protection than non medical fashion masks made from who knows what or homemade expedient masks made from old bed sheets or curtains...
Since I had a supply of the mask you reference at home (sales samples) and I have no more effective medical mask PPE available it's what I choose to wear...
I don't believe I specifically referenced one type or grade of mask in my post - or proclaimed that it was a viral particle barrier.
I had a great aunt who was born and raised on rural property in county cork Ireland who believed you should put dirt under your bed to prevent ailments or to promote recovery.
I never believed that Irish folk medicine had any efficacy - certainly not that sprinkling dirt under the bed had a causal effect...
But it turns out that the dirt and soil in the region she lived contains unique flora and fauna that when introduced to MRSA and other super bugs kills them dead and stops them in their tracks.
I did not author a commercial for the mask you note - did not endorse it - just pointed out what I believe is the sheer useless futility in non medical fashion masks.
I don't think that my opinion is out of line or in the tin foil hat / flat earth realm of ideas.
I have a question for the people that refuse to take a couple simple precautions because they think they are smarter than the doctors and scientists....
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that something that you cannot see with a regular microscope and takes a electron microscope to even see it is not going to be filtered out with a paper mask. If you want to walk around looking stupid just because some liberal democrat backed doctor tells you to then have at it.
A cloth mask will block the water droplets in your breath!
Can i have your truck?
And then the water droplets dry out. Try some common sense. I doubt you can drive a truck.
That video sure is B.S. Just because someone is a doctor doesn't mean they aren't a quack or haven't developed a need for a tinfoil hat. I compare her to the "doctors" selling what amounts to patent medicine on TV infomercials. When you string together a bunch of unrelated facts and throw in attention grabbing subjects like Hitler to make your point, in reality you don't have any validity to your arguments. Nothing but another conspiracy theory. Instead of the Illuminati they picked the medical profession as the evil them that we are told to watch out for. Lets just forget the track record that vaccines have had on things like polio, smallpox and other diseases and blame the corporations that make vaccines for this new virus. Bob
We cannot hide for this thing forever. Vulnerable employees in a retail environment are a problem to be sure, and employers need to make efforts to protect them. I do not believe that masks for everyone entering the establishment is a viable long-term plan. There are predictions that 60% plus of Americans will contract the virus. While people will believe what they wish to believe, the spread of this thing will not be stopped by masks or isolation. It will be a part of our existence for the foreseeable future. At some point we have to return to normal, and wearing masks and forcing people to distance themselves will never be normal.
Grocery stores in my area are busier now than they ever were. Part of this is because of reduced hours which have been implemented to provide time for cleaning. In some cases, entry/exit has been reduced to a single entryway to better control the flow of people, with the end result is that all customers enter and leave through the same set of doors, causing a bottleneck and forcing people together. The practical approach is rely upon the individual to make the best choice for himself. If you are vulnerable, take measures to protect yourself. If you are sick, take measures to protect others. If you are neither sick or vulnerable, takes measures to avoid the former and protect the latter. If you believe this includes wearing a mask when you go into a store, do it. If the majority of us are going to become infected, everyone wearing masks may slow it down. Is slowing it down the right decision? Are you waiting for a vaccine to come along and save the day? Fine. Plan on wearing your mask for the next 12 - 18 months. I remain skeptical about virtually everything I hear about this virus, and do not blindly trust the hype and scare tactics that are being used to control us. Thousands of people have been put on ventilators even when it was established that there was a 90% - 95% mortality rate when this invasive procedure was used. Shoving one of those things down someone's throat with those odds boarders on malpractice, but it was being promoted as the most necessary thing available for weeks. Now the same people are pushing the wearing of masks and the deliberate hobbling of the economy for months. Ignore them. Get on with life. I will go to a store that does not require masks before going into one that does. If there are no other options, I'll put on a mask.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
there's none so blind as those who will not see You will never be able to make some understand or accept something if they are too stubborn or unwilling to learn or notice. You can present facts and try to reason with him all you want, but his mind is made up.
Actually, researchers have recently found that "dried up" viruses can become active again when exposed to water. That shows that we need to protect our eyes, not just mouth & nose, to prevent a virus from infecting us.
There's hope that a vaccine may be created & approved more quickly than in the past. In fact, human trials began last week at the University of Maryland Medical School in Baltimore. 4 variations of mRNA based vaccines were injected into around 90 volunteers; additional vaccines will be begin trial soon.
So, for those of us with pre-existing conditions should not deliberately expose ourselves to covid-19 yet.
As I've posted before on other threads, I truly believe there is so much more we aren't being told. We are just now, within the past few weeks, hearing about the children with Kawasaki Disease type symptoms. Are you telling me that in the past 5 months this is just now happening? As more and more complications arise, I'm going into tin foil hat manufacturing. Take a bug, make it animal to human transmissable, add some riders for shiggles, lose control due to sloppy protocols, blame it on an implausible means of origin, fail to share the information.....
I encountered my long time friend , the county sheriff, yesterday on a trip to Lowe’s . We have known each other for 30 years . I was wearing a mask , and yes carrying as normal . My shirt had ridden up exposing my gun . I remarked to him that a few months ago he would have arrested me as I was armed in public and wearing a mask in a public place . We both got a good laugh out of it . Times have changed . Much like a belief in heaven , I will hedge my bets and wear the silly mask . Costs me nothing and who knows might be worth doing .
As I've posted before on other threads, I truly believe there is so much more we aren't being told. We are just now, within the past few weeks, hearing about the children with Kawasaki Disease type symptoms. Are you telling me that in the past 5 months this is just now happening? As more and more complications arise, I'm going into tin foil hat manufacturing. Take a bug, make it animal to human transmissable, add some riders for shiggles, lose control due to sloppy protocols, blame it on an implausible means of origin, fail to share the information.....
There is only anecdotal evidence of an association with Covid-19, Susie. I have not been able to find complete data, but some kids with this Kawasaki like condition have tested positive for either Covid-19 or antibodies and some have not. As it is possible that 10s of millions of us have already contracted Covid-19, there should be no surprise that any number of people with a given condition test positive. There is much we are not being told, but I think most of the reason is that those that are doing to the telling are as much in the dark as are we. When people who place themselves in the position of caretakers for us all are unsure, we are told things that may or may not be true, even if it is believed by them at the time they say it. There may be a connection and there may not be a connection. In order to maintain the lock-down, however, a justification in the form of a concocted connection whereby younger people are being effected by Covid-19 would be helpful.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
I wear one when I go grocery shopping or any big box stores. If I get it I'm a dead man plain and simple. I probably live in the biggest metro area ( 1.5 million) of any one that posts here. No one here could probably come across as many people as I do in a day if I go outside. There are two main areas of the city that are covid 19 hot spots. The one on the south side of the city where I live is only a half mile from the south east corner of that hot spot. A lot of Hispanic meat packing plant workers living there. I simply can not risk it so if I have to wear a mask in some stores so be it.
The last time I wore a mask into a store was a training exorcise where 4 other deputies and I went into the Costco in Santee CA to simulate and armed robbery. Guns were with primers only and even thought the cashiers knew we were coming 2 fainted. Several uniformed deputies outside to let the public know it was a training exorcise only before the store opened. What a world, what a world!
?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
Alpine if your situation is most dire the mask is only a small bit of security, glasses and gloves along with proper use should be included. The mask only is false security at most. I watched a young fellow this morning with a mask on, in the 5 minutes he was in the supply house he pulled at and adjusted his mask 10 or more times. No gloves either and if he had gloves the would have been less effective than hands only, at least he would have been more likely to used the hand sanitizer on the counter.
Most convenience stores ie. gas stations in San Antonio require it. I comply with the rules and snicker to my self when I enter with a mask thinking that 4 months ago if I walked in like that they would be pushing the silent alarm.
Sometime ago when Hoodies were the choice of thugs and a lot of places asked that you not enter their business with one pulled up. My wife entered the bank where we do business with a hoodie and a scarf over her face, very cold and windy day, one of the tellers passed out as she just knew it was a hold up. True story.
Agree, we are predestined long ago, the outcome of our life will play out as it has been designed.
Whether by auto wreck, bullet, heart attach, killed by jealous husband,Covid-19 and on and on. Live it to the fullest as we never know when the "plug" will be pulled. Life is too short to live in fear about what is just around the corner. Someone said something like this, when I meet my maker I want to slide into home plate, worn out, used up, and say what a trip it has been. For those that understand what Blood on the door post means life becomes more livable no matter the situation.
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Me, I can't understand why I should have to wear a mask when it doesn't do any good. It's like wearing sunglasses at the beach to prevent sun burn.
I suppose a mask gives many a false sense of security/protection much like a teddy bear gives children a secure feeling.
If you're sick stay home and take some cold/flu remedies ect, if your illness gets worse see a doctor. Plain and simple.
Now the economy is crippled for the foreseeable future with many out of work losing their home and ability to feed their family.
In short I felt like a sheep and looked like one too among the herd without a shepherd.
But if it makes you feel good go right ahead and wear one or two on top of each other.
As far as not knowing if your sick yet in the early stages, then wear one year round because you don't know if you have the common cold in the early stages either. I do appreciate your concern for others but your efforts and money are being wasted for the most part.
Have a great day.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
say you have the flu or a cold or ? wear a mask or face jail or huge fines . and the company's they work for have to grant paid time off for them with no penitently so stay home company's are fined for allowing workers to come in sick
after all more people die from the flu
might as well go all in the puddle wading is just the first step after all if it saves just one life ..............
As noted amongst those with an IQ above 60...
Most of these fashion masks offer little of no protection against a virus...
Many retail fashion masks or homemade expedient masks may even act as a repository for germs and other garbage - may be focal point incubation vectors...
The average person is not changing out or cleaning their fashion mask regularly or adequately - certainly not exposing to UV light or cavicide.
Most PPE or medical masks have little or no protective value when dealing with a virus - very few folk are wearing the correct level of PPE mask with respirator valve - or are changing or cleaning them regularly or correctly...
You can take the every little thing helps attitude or realize that very little does help - the profligate profiteering being made selling fashion masks is disturbing - because we all know they are essentially worthless.
Proper hand washing and use of soap and sneezing or coughing into a handkerchief - wearing gloves to avoid contact with door knobs or push bars - avoiding public restrooms at all costs - are far more effective measures.
I am formally trained in this subject by the USDA and the FDA - I have written the HACCP procedures for ATP Testing - etc...
The amount of aerosolized fecal matter in your bathroom after you flush the toilet - which ends up on your tooth brush and rinse cup should concern you more.
Most of these businesses do not have someone on staff who understands these matters - or have been trained in the subjects - and most of the people who have had the responsibility thrust upon them either don't care much or don't know enough...
Many employers balk at PPE expenditures - and end up doing feel good look good cheap and ineffective things to satisfy their lawyers or ameliorate liability - to show the staff they care (an illusion)
Mike
While I believe that the mask you mention provides a higher level of protection than non medical fashion masks made from who knows what or homemade expedient masks made from old bed sheets or curtains...
Since I had a supply of the mask you reference at home (sales samples) and I have no more effective medical mask PPE available it's what I choose to wear...
I don't believe I specifically referenced one type or grade of mask in my post - or proclaimed that it was a viral particle barrier.
I had a great aunt who was born and raised on rural property in county cork Ireland who believed you should put dirt under your bed to prevent ailments or to promote recovery.
I never believed that Irish folk medicine had any efficacy - certainly not that sprinkling dirt under the bed had a causal effect...
But it turns out that the dirt and soil in the region she lived contains unique flora and fauna that when introduced to MRSA and other super bugs kills them dead and stops them in their tracks.
I did not author a commercial for the mask you note - did not endorse it - just pointed out what I believe is the sheer useless futility in non medical fashion masks.
I don't think that my opinion is out of line or in the tin foil hat / flat earth realm of ideas.
Mike
I do not believe that masks for everyone entering the establishment is a viable long-term plan.
There are predictions that 60% plus of Americans will contract the virus. While people will believe what they wish to believe, the spread of this thing will not be stopped by masks or isolation. It will be a part of our existence for the foreseeable future. At some point we have to return to normal, and wearing masks and forcing people to distance themselves will never be normal.
Grocery stores in my area are busier now than they ever were. Part of this is because of reduced hours which have been implemented to provide time for cleaning. In some cases, entry/exit has been reduced to a single entryway to better control the flow of people, with the end result is that all customers enter and leave through the same set of doors, causing a bottleneck and forcing people together.
The practical approach is rely upon the individual to make the best choice for himself.
If you are vulnerable, take measures to protect yourself. If you are sick, take measures to protect others.
If you are neither sick or vulnerable, takes measures to avoid the former and protect the latter.
If you believe this includes wearing a mask when you go into a store, do it.
If the majority of us are going to become infected, everyone wearing masks may slow it down. Is slowing it down the right decision? Are you waiting for a vaccine to come along and save the day? Fine. Plan on wearing your mask for the next 12 - 18 months.
I remain skeptical about virtually everything I hear about this virus, and do not blindly trust the hype and scare tactics that are being used to control us. Thousands of people have been put on ventilators even when it was established that there was a 90% - 95% mortality rate when this invasive procedure was used. Shoving one of those things down someone's throat with those odds boarders on malpractice, but it was being promoted as the most necessary thing available for weeks.
Now the same people are pushing the wearing of masks and the deliberate hobbling of the economy for months.
Ignore them.
Get on with life.
I will go to a store that does not require masks before going into one that does. If there are no other options, I'll put on a mask.
Brad Steele
There's none so blind as those who will not see - Idioms ...
there's none so blind as those who will not see You will never be able to make some understand or accept something if they are too stubborn or unwilling to learn or notice. You can present facts and try to reason with him all you want, but his mind is made up.
Those of us who do need to practice common sense precautions.
No need to impose our frailties upon the vast majority of the population.
Brad Steele
As I've posted before on other threads, I truly believe there is so much more we aren't being told. We are just now, within the past few weeks, hearing about the children with Kawasaki Disease type symptoms. Are you telling me that in the past 5 months this is just now happening? As more and more complications arise, I'm going into tin foil hat manufacturing. Take a bug, make it animal to human transmissable, add some riders for shiggles, lose control due to sloppy protocols, blame it on an implausible means of origin, fail to share the information.....
I encountered my long time friend , the county sheriff, yesterday on a trip to Lowe’s . We have known each other for 30 years . I was wearing a mask , and yes carrying as normal . My shirt had ridden up exposing my gun . I remarked to him that a few months ago he would have arrested me as I was armed in public and wearing a mask in a public place . We both got a good laugh out of it . Times have changed . Much like a belief in heaven , I will hedge my bets and wear the silly mask . Costs me nothing and who knows might be worth doing .
There is much we are not being told, but I think most of the reason is that those that are doing to the telling are as much in the dark as are we. When people who place themselves in the position of caretakers for us all are unsure, we are told things that may or may not be true, even if it is believed by them at the time they say it.
There may be a connection and there may not be a connection. In order to maintain the lock-down, however, a justification in the form of a concocted connection whereby younger people are being effected by Covid-19 would be helpful.
Brad Steele
What a world, what a world!
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
Given the choice, I'll patronize the establishment that doesn't have a dress code.
What would happen if you were to be challenged for your impudence ?
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