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It certainly looks like we are on the brink of war.

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  • Floyd621Floyd621 Member Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭✭

    But you seem to forget that Americans are Stupid...we keep proving that over and over... might as well own it.. and deal with the consequences...

  • Floyd621Floyd621 Member Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭✭

    75 percent believe whatever the MSM tells them...and they fall for the B.S. every time... every time...in my book... that's not smart... the real Americans always take the high road..and get their * handed to them every time.. you would think they would have learned by now....

  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 24,541 ✭✭✭✭

    We have not " won " a war since WWII

    And the road to WWIII is getting mighty short

    I do not think it would end well for any one especially us

    Just one nuke or dirty bomb inside our country borders would be the beginning of the end

    Dad but dopey Joe and his handlers sem to desperately want it maye to use as a complete reset of our country

    Giving ukrane 500 billion and endless military equipment

    To me is just spitting on the communist country's face

    Russia China ,even NK and others USa has played bully on the block with

    Joining sides is not that much of a stretch to put the USA in the back seat


    I dearly hope not but with anti American Joe in charge

    It's possible

  • Floyd621Floyd621 Member Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2023

    Even if it ends tomorrow.. Russia will not forget.. the other countries and America will be paying for a long..long time..no going back now..

  • wifetrainedwifetrained Member Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2023

    As I have previously stated, there's a dangerous game being played here by the US and Nato. Biden recently stated that, on the advice of his military, that Ukraine doesn't need any F-16's which is patently absurd. You can't take and hold ground without uncontested control of the air, it's that simple and there's plenty of history to support that fact. Everything to date indicates the desire to drag this conflict out for years. We've supplied a limited amount of SAM's which have now forced the Russians to launch many of its air strikes from within its own airspace. Any heavy weapons supplied have limited range and as a result their effectiveness is more tactical and local in nature and not strategic.

    It's been repeatedly stated that "we're in it for the long haul", "for as long as it takes". "Regime change", and so on but it raises the stakes for everyone. One thing about the "brain trust" currently infesting DC and that's there ain't a whole lot of brains engaged and what are ain't to be trusted one frickin bit.

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,251 ******

    I am seeing increased rumblings about a draft. Folks this is not good, for many reasons, not the least of which is who do they think they're going to draft? Narry a kid out there that can run for five minutes or carry 45 lbs worth of gear.

    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • wifetrainedwifetrained Member Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2023


    45 lbs, that's it????!!!!!??? I was an RTO in a lrrp unit and my ruck weighed 100+ pounds on average. That's just my ruck, I still had my LBE gear (4 mag pouches, 12 mags, 4 grenades, 2 canteens, first aid pouch, compass, bayonet, cleaning kit, etc.) my weapon and anything else I could stuff in my pockets. Add a main parachute and a reserve if a jump was needed, talk about some weight. If they can't handle 45 pounds at a minimum, then we are in trouble.

  • KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    Yeah. We are in trouble.

    Doubt seriously there is Serious talk about a "Draft," though.

    Political Suicide.

  • BrookwoodBrookwood Member, Moderator Posts: 13,345 ******

    Once upon a time, I used to think that every able bodied citizen should have to serve a 2 year commitment to our Armed Forces right out of high school.


    Now days with the way things are, my thinking has changed a lot mostly due to our misguided, self serving, out of touch leadership.


    Be better to make sure that ALL politicians be veterans before having a right to public office!

  • Ruger4meRuger4me Member, Moderator Posts: 3,343 ******

    Heard on the radio yesterday something like 75% of todays youth are not acceptable to serve in the arm forces... shaking my head to that....

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,251 ******
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • wifetrainedwifetrained Member Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭✭

    Well, all I can say is if this woke path is continually pursued then the military will suffer, simple as that. They'll continue to fall short on recruiting new applicants and raiding the DEP pool will eventually blow up in their faces. They missed their accession mission last year despite depleting the DEP pool and it will only get worse.

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,251 ******

    Given the corruptness of the current Admin, if the military fails at implementing its mission, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.

    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • discusdaddiscusdad Member Posts: 11,418 ✭✭✭✭

    i'm of the opinion that Putin has little time left on this world. whether by "health issues" or by a horrible fall off a 6th floor balcony, and i think it will happen in less than 2 months. Russia's economy can't take 2 more months of this.

  • Floyd621Floyd621 Member Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭✭

    China just stepped in and is helping Russia.. weapons on the way..but you guys haven't figured it out yet..but you will..way to late as usual..then you will see who the bad guys really are...this is not just going to go away.. Zelensky already said a lot of America's son's and daughters are going to fight and die for the Ukraine.. time will tell...

  • wifetrainedwifetrained Member Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2023

    For all we know the Chinese have already assisted Russia with weaponry and may have been doing so for a while, how would we know? They share a border over 2500 miles long. We the people only know what we are told and that doesn't mean it's the truth. While we are entitled under the constitution to have a free press its apparent, we do not have one.

  • Floyd621Floyd621 Member Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭✭

    If you believe the MSM... you deserve whatever happens to you...and all the whining and crying won't do you a bit of good...

  • KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    Not to be indelicate (sp?) @Floyd621, but have you served in the Military? 🤔

  • Floyd621Floyd621 Member Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2023

    Nope..why..?? I wanted to but my oldest uncle..Clyde Messer.. fought in WW2..he told me that if I ever fought for those SOB's he would come back and haunt me until the day I died.. you can look him up if you want to.. cancer took him..one tuff outfit ..he was dying with the cancer when he told me that.. I promised him I wouldn't and I kept my promise.. I research and find out what's going on..we are already at war.. they just haven't told us yet..

  • KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    I thought Not.

    Suspicion confirmed.

    My Dad was in the Army for 32 Years. ABN CSM, WWII, Korea, Vietnam. He told me if I wasn't willing to fight for this Country, He'd come back and Haunt me.

    I am an Army Veteran. (Proudly)

  • wifetrainedwifetrained Member Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2023

    I'm not sure whether one served or not is relevant to the conversation. I'm a twenty-year vet, 11 bang bang and my service isn't relevant to this conversation. The question is whether or not we are headed into a direct confrontation with Russia. My view is that we are. Currently it's a proxy war but it's inching closer. The powers that be have practically admitted that this war is going to go on for at least another 2 years. That's the time it will take to either manufacture or refurbish the heavy weapons pledged to date.

  • KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    Sorry, but the continual Negative BS about America got a little Old for me. Throws out a lot of opinion (but) in the end what has he done/propose doing to change things?

  • wifetrainedwifetrained Member Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭✭

    I get it but the question still remains, are we are a path to direct conflict with Russia and eventually with China?

  • Floyd621Floyd621 Member Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭✭
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,251 ******

    The trains haven't been derailing themselves. The stock yards haven't all been burning because of lightning. And the chicken barns haven't been up in smoke because the "the cow kicked the lantern over".

    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,251 ******

    Ok here's a related update:

    I think this is going to get interesting very soon. And by interesting, I mean bad.

    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • wifetrainedwifetrained Member Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2023

    Well now, since its apparent that Ukraine is going to receive F-16 fighters along with all that goes with them such as weapons, ordnance, spare parts, continuing training. I guess supplying them now is no longer considered a "provocative escalation". How much closer does it bring us to open conflict with Russia?

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