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Interesting antique single shot
Henry0Reilly
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Way past my budget but I like it.
I used to recruit for the NRA until they sold us down the river (again!) in Heller v. DC. See my auctions (if any) under username henryreilly
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Have a drink. Don
0 Bids, so it looks like others feels the same way , too much money for it being built by an unknown gunsmith
I really like that, but not enough to bid.
Perhaps the "ships to your door" aspect commands a premium?
Interesting for sure !
Pretty cool
Took a chance on a Martini 45-90 rebuild. I couldn't believe my luck when I received it.
I didn't know that the .44 Magnum cartridge had been around since 1898.
He is selling it as an antique. But as long as it is clear to you. But I am not sure it qualifies as an antique since it has been converted to a modern caliber. So, it is not clear to me. But I could be wrong.
Transfer through an FFL, figure that cost into total of what you're willing to pay, and be done .
Hmm..'-all exterior markings were removed-'. So it has no serial number?
Due to it's age it may have not had a serial number.
Ricci you are right, Elmer Keith and Smith and Wesson developed the round in the early/mid fifties. No way it can be an antique?
Antique cartridge arms are determined by the date and year the receiver/action was manufactured. To qualify they must have been manufactured before 1898. I.E. you can take an 1866 Springfield trap door originally in 50-70 caliber and rebarrel it for 6.5 Creedmore ( just an example, don't do it) or the new .350 Legend and it is still classified as an antique. Another example of how stupid the law is, an 1873 Winchester manufactured before 1898 is an antique. The same gun made in 1899 or later is considered modern and doesn't qualify. Also, all muzzle loaders are considered antique, even replicas. As of todays date ennyway!!! Subject to change, get 'em while you can.
Thats good information. Stupid, but good.
Hmmmm, interesting. In order to qualify for C&R, a firearm must be in it's original, unaltered condition. So an antique is still considered an antique, if it only still has it's original receiver? There were so many made early on w/o a serial number, how could you tell an original?
It seems that if you had an antique, and modified the chamber so that it would shoot a readily available, modern cartridge, that it would no longer be legally an antique.
Rechamber it to .444... Then you will have a real thumper...
One way is if the particular model was discontinued before 1898. Peabody, Spencer, Colt rifles, 1881 & '87 Marlins, 1866 Winchesters Etc.
@allen griggs , You are talking common sense here. Something that gun laws have never been able to comprehend!
I don't think that it would qualify as an antique, since it shoots ammunition that "is available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade".
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-antique
If I were listing this gun it would never have occurred to me that it could legally ship direct.
My reading of the atf regs would point me to the same conclusion that Allen reached. Once converted it loses its antique designation . I would be very hesitant on shipping and transfer .
When in doubt, FFL all the way.
Yes it is Ken, if he doesn't know the rules, i don't see how it would be your fault.
I'm no expert but,
I thought with all the modifying/remanufacture of a gun it now has to have a serial number issued to it by the ATF, even if the original never had a serial number, because it is no longer original.
That would be a major concern to me. If the serial number has been removed, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Removing a serial and manufacturer markings is a major no-no for any firearm according to BATF.
Y'all remember when Sportsman's Guide was selling antique Mauser rifles converted to 308 Winchester straight to your door? I do. I'd say that was 15 to 20 years ago.
There is an Antique category here on Gunbroker that is somewhat fun to search through. All those guns can go direct to your door - no FFL required.
https://www.gunbroker.com/Antique-Guns/search
(16) The term “antique firearm” means—
(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or
(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica—
(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or
(C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.
There is no caliber requirement in the law. If the firearm was manufactured before 1898, it is considered an Antique.
) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
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OK then. I learned here.
That section (portion) deals with replicas.
"If the firearm was manufactured before 1898, it is considered an Antique."
You meant, if it was manufactured before 1899.
Ken, take it easy man. I didn't make the stupid laws, merely stated that one exists. Don't want to see any trouble over it is all.
Enjoy your new toy if you win.
What you are seeing is exactly what the alphabet agency seems to want. Confusion, uncertainty, and asking permissions from government.
There was a poor fellow on here the other day asking whether he needed to use an FFL to sell ammo. Sickening where we are in regards to the never ending ridiculous laws.
I am pretty sure a Remington Rolling Block shipped with a serial number and if that number has been removed then yes that is a problem. If that gun shipped to my shop, there is no way I would transfer it. There is a process where ATF will assign a serial number to a weapon where the serial number is missing. I had to do this on a Win 1894 that I bought for the store a few years back. As I understand the law concerning antique weapons, this one does not qualify. Just as I stated earlier. Having said this, I really matters not at all to me how the transaction is handled.
IMO Ken it's pretty simple, if the FFL will ship it directly to you, then by all means do it. If there's a problem, it's on him. He's the one who should know all the rules.
I might be wrong but any firearm that was in original condition as an antique. Then changed to something new is not an antique anymore. Being it is in 44magnum would make it a new firearm. Therefore it would need to be transferred. It could be listed as no serial number found. It's just my understanding.
Oh ohhh, got out bid
Only by a couple of bucks?
I'll lend you the other $25.00 if you really want it,,,