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A sub is lost with five souls on board

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  • shootuadealshootuadeal Member Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2023

    Sounds like several specialist vessels were in the area and are on scene. One is a deep sea pipe laying sub with its own robotic submersible that cant quite go that deep but pretty deep. Another ship has a submersible that can go that deep. I think they were making some sort of cockeyed plan about rigging one submersible to the other that has a robotic arm with the first one attached to a ship or something. Seems like a definite long shot but they need to find it first. I do believe the noise they heard is them as it was done in intentional intervals. Can't imagine how dark and cold it would be down there.

  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭
    "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you"
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,381 ******

    I've been trying to care about this story, but I'm just jaded I guess.

    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Kevin_LKevin_L Member Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭✭

    96 hours of oxygen is under optimal conditions. And this, from a Reuters article about tracking some sounds, was presented pretty much as a footnote: "officials cautioned the sounds may not have originated from the vessel"

    The false hope being spread by the news outlets is absurd. The sub is gone and with it the people on board. Let the families and friends grieve.

    🇺🇲 "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson 🇺🇲

  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭

    Zero hour for onboard oxygen was 8 a.m. Eastern this morning. Not mentioned is the fact that they probably had no food or water aboard, either.

    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭

    I predict that will now search for another 48 hours just to be charitable. Then, about noon Saturday, they will declare it lost.

    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭

    Just heard that they found some sort of debris field in the search area.

  • pulsarncpulsarnc Member Posts: 6,490 ✭✭✭✭

    Press briefing scheduled for 3 pm . Doesn't look good .

    cry Havoc and let slip  the dogs of war..... 
  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭

    Debris near the Titanic shouldn't be a surprise. Unless they find something like the forward dome, it isn't conclusive.

    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,672 ✭✭✭✭

    All aboard were well aware of the risk and believed that the history and uniqueness of the trip were worth that calculated risk. One can only hope that they died at peace with their decision.

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • JimmyJackJimmyJack Member Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭✭

    The debris pieces were identified.

  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭

    We'll know more about that in an hour or so.

    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,615 ✭✭✭✭

    Men are constantly on a quest to learn new things. Columbus got on a little boat and sailed west into the unknown, worked out pretty well.

    Americans walked on the moon, one of the greatest feats in history, but 3 astronauts were killed on the launch pad in a fire. And we know how close Apollo 13 came to disaster.

    Men, and much more so men than women, are constantly seeking out dangerous tasks and trying to explore new worlds.

    Were these guys fools, or were they intrepid explorers?

  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭

    Briefing live on CBS Boston. Watch it on YouTube

    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • pulsarncpulsarnc Member Posts: 6,490 ✭✭✭✭

    It is official. It imploded on its way down . At least it was quick .Prayers for their souls and families.

    cry Havoc and let slip  the dogs of war..... 
  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭

    They'll never find any bodies unless one somehow got caught in the debris. Otherwise, they have been drifting in currents now since Sunday. 

    At least it was quick. At most, they may have heard the first crackling of the graphite giving way, but that would have been far less than a second from first failure to implosion. "Never knew what hit them" is entirely apt. 

    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭✭

    There may not be much left of the bodies of these poor souls. The effects of the implosion crushing and shattering the submersible combined with the massive over pressure, likely did away with the remains. Mercifully, it probably happened so fast that they didn't have time to even feel pain or understand what was happening.

    I may not totally agree with this type of tourism, but I hope they RIP. Bob

  • 4205raymond4205raymond Member Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭✭

    Many here had it pegged correct. It was a Death Trap. Prayers for their souls and their families. -----------------------------Ray

  • roswellnativeroswellnative Member Posts: 10,158 ✭✭✭✭

    Debris was found there are no survivors immediate death

    Although always described as a cowboy, Roswellnative generally acts as a righter of wrongs or bodyguard of some sort, where he excels thanks to his resourcefulness and incredible gun prowesses.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,672 ✭✭✭✭

    This will be an interesting process as government around the world decide to react to this event. There are going to be those folks that protest the potential for disturbing the Titanic grave site with additional wreckage, and there will be those that seek to protect their citizens from the risks associated with going down to the ship in anything other than a fully tested and approved submersible.

    Hopefully governments will recognize that the bargain basement approach by OceanGate opens the site to the moderately wealthy and that insisting upon the expense of a fully tested and governmentally approved vessel would price all but the very wealthy from the opportunity to see the wreck. People should have the right to chose their destiny. If a $ 250K option is available, there are probably 6 million Americans who could afford it. Were that price raise to $ 1 million plus, and would probably be required were the government to insert itself, the opportunity would be denied to a wide swath of people who may be willing to take the risk.

    In short, lets hope that the nanny state does not enact restrictions that prevent the very opportunity that these people chose.

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • Kevin_LKevin_L Member Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭✭

    A horrific way to die. Even though I don't know any who were on board, my heart goes out to them and their families.

    🇺🇲 "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson 🇺🇲

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,381 ******

    Apparently the US Navy detected the Titan implosion on Sunday but Biden held the news until today's whistleblower testimony on Hunter. WSJ has the story but it's behind a paywall.

    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭

    Well that's the Biden Crime Family for ya!

    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,381 ******

    They basically let everyone think they were alive for days, all for political gain.

    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • FrogdogFrogdog Member Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭✭

    It will be very difficult, in my opinion, to regulate. Not only are the operating areas in international waters, but companies like the one involved in this incident will use a “Flag of Convenience” to skirt flag-state regulations. For example, if the U.S. enacts regulations on U.S. submersible vessels, a company will just register their vessel in a less restrictive flag state (e.g Liberia).

  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭

    Agree , but common sense will prevail in the larger companies. No exceptions if you screw around enough you can kill yourself and liability for those in your care

  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭

    Creepy to think about what unknown deep sea eels or monsters will eat the bodies

  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭

    It is easy to say that "they" knew it imploded in real time. Yes, the US Navy heard sounds that were consistent with an implosion. Now some facts: Hearing what might have been an implosion does not guarantee that it was an implosion - there are lots of things like undersea volcanoes that produce sudden loud sounds. Second, even if you could be sure it was a sub that imploded, it does not tell you which sub. That area of the ocean is a highway for Russian subs. (That's why we have that listening net there. Duh.) Third, even if your intelligence is so good that you knew exactly which sub, and where, you would not broadcast that your systems are so good that you DO know all that. There are still some secrets. 

    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • FrogdogFrogdog Member Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭✭

    Regardless of what U.S. systems are actually capable of….. perhaps a great public affairs opportunity to keep the world wondering whether they ARE that good.

  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2023

    Exactly.

    And to answer the ones who ask why they kept searching when they were fairly sure of the result immediately, I ask in return: what if they had not searched at all, and the damn thing washed up in Ireland three months from now still sealed?

    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • roswellnativeroswellnative Member Posts: 10,158 ✭✭✭✭

    what about teeth or bones? or their rolexes I wonder what they do find..

    Although always described as a cowboy, Roswellnative generally acts as a righter of wrongs or bodyguard of some sort, where he excels thanks to his resourcefulness and incredible gun prowesses.
  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭

    Unless some bit of something got snagged in the debris, there will be nothing found. They'd have been torn asunder and borne away in the three knot current down there. Chunks of them could be 500 miles from there by now.

    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
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