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Jane Fonda and war protests question
CJ7nvrstk
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For all Vietnam vets-let me start this out by thanking you for your service.
I was just wondering how each of you felt during your time in Vietnam when the Jane Fonda/war protest thing was going on and how that made you feel. How did you feel about it then and what are your views on it today?
Thank you in advance for your responses.
For the troll out there, please stay on topic and limit responses to this topic only. Other questions will not be addressed.
I was just wondering how each of you felt during your time in Vietnam when the Jane Fonda/war protest thing was going on and how that made you feel. How did you feel about it then and what are your views on it today?
Thank you in advance for your responses.
For the troll out there, please stay on topic and limit responses to this topic only. Other questions will not be addressed.
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I could go on but you get the picture.[xx(]
I'm not fonda Jane, then or now.
I could go on but you get the picture.[xx(]
Thanks for the reply. Do you feel the same for the anti war protesters who preotested while you were there?
The problem was that it wasn't just North Vietnam, and for the US to correct the situation with military force, it would have involved taking on the entire Communist Bloc, which would commonly be referred to as WWIII. So as in the case of an older brother fighting off a class bully, the younger brother needs to get to the point of defending himself. In Vietnam, the South never got to the point of being able to to that, and so North Viet Nam prevailed in their goal, reunification of the country.
The point that the media missed is that the US actually accomplished the goal of stopping the previously unstoppable flow of Communism around the world. Gaining South Vietnam was so costly for the Communist Bloc that, combined with attempts in Afghanistan and other spots, the Communist bloc depleted itself of the ability to persist. The estimates of Communist dead resulting from the Vietnam war are fairly valid at 4,000,000. And now, Vietnam is doing all they can to get into the world economy and become trading partners with the free world, leaving the agression part of Communism to their associates in China. So history is showing the results of the Vietnam War to be: a reunified Vietnam, that is progressing toward a market society, Indonesia and the entire southwest Pacific is non-Communist, which without the war would have most certainly fallen to Communist rule, and the primary Communist states, USSR and China have either disintegrated or have been seriously delayed in any agressive undertakings.
I see the war as having great personal costs to those affected, but if history is to have any relevance, it shows that agressors must be dealt with, so a conflict with Communism was unavoidable. Had it not been in Vietnam, it would have been somewhere else. So given that a confrontation was needed, for the US to have met the enemy and prevailed (as shown above) with the cost of 60,000 lives, seems to me much more like victory than defeat.
So back to your question, what do I think of Jane and the other protestors? I think they were inclined to have their emotions overwhelm their logic and they believed the biased views of news media that thought the outcome of the war should look like WWII. They were not unique in this shortcoming- it still happens today. Someone with no knowledge of a topic, but has celebrity status, will make his views known on a subject, and the news media, and evidently, a large portion of society, give those views value.
So Hanoi Jane, and the war protestors in general, were doing what they thought was right, based on their feelings, as led by the news media. Not much different from today, and I have general disgust for them all.
SMOKEY 14 SAID IT ALL!!!
Hated the gripe then as now, right along with the Anti-War Protesting b$%^$%^s. Never once met a man or woman in uniform that had a kind word to say for these #$%^&^R$%#. [^]
I have re read your post at least a dozen times and concure with all you said.might add that kerry is yet the one i have most disgust for.[V]tks hedge[:D]
Hated the gripe then as now, right along with the Anti-War Protesting b$%^$%^s. Never once met a man or woman in uniform that had a kind word to say for these #$%^&^R$%#. [^]
What would you know? And the question was addressed to Vietnam vets. Why are you even posting to the topic?
quote:Originally posted by kimi
Hated the gripe then as now, right along with the Anti-War Protesting b$%^$%^s. Never once met a man or woman in uniform that had a kind word to say for these #$%^&^R$%#. [^]
What would you know? And the question was addressed to Vietnam vets. Why are you even posting to the topic?
Hello DWS - We now know, that according to you, you graduated from school in California. You started Marine boot camp in June 1962. Your Drill Instructors were Zalanka, Faurot, Roberts and one whose name you can't remember, and that you were a member of platoon 340. Please continue and try to stay on track.
The Life and Times of DancesWithSheep:
4 - Where did you go after recruit training, and did you have the same rifle at your next command?
5 - In the year 1963, you were a L/Cpl. with the 6th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, out of Camp Lejeune, NC, who was on an operation in Sardinia. What are these type ops mostly known as in the Corps?
6 - What year did you begin your academic prerparatory training for the Naval Academy? What year did you enter the Naval Academy, and how long were you a Plebe before you resigned your commission?
7 - You dropped out of the academy because you did not want to be an Officer of Marines in a line unit in what month and year?
8 - Yet, you had to fullfill your enlistment with the Marines as a grunt with 1/9 and 2/9. What month and year did you serve with these units, and what area was the home base of 2/9 in Vietnam while you were there?
9 - Did you make the landing on Vietnam's shores on 8 March 1965? If not, when and how did you enter RVN?
10 - When did you rotate stateside from the NAM?
12 - Where were you stationed upon return to CONUS, and with what unit(s) between March of 1966, and the time your second NAM tour began?
13 - What organization(s) did you serve with during your second NAM tour, and what were the inclusive dates?
14 - What month and year did you return to CONUS after your second tour ended?
15 - When and where were you discharged, and from what post?
I agree with you that being a line officer in the grunts during the NAM was an extremely dangerous position. I would not have wanted such a position myself. I also can appreciate the courage it takes for one to resign in such a position as you were in. That would have been a difficult thing to do, indeed. I also appreciate folks who are sharp academically, such as youself, and who were selected by their leadership to get into an institution as difficult to enter as the Naval Academy. I consider myself a good Marine, nothing more, nothing less. I'm proud of it, though. Are you proud to have Marined too?
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Jeez Kimi- if you really are what you say, I'd strongly suggest that you contact the nearest Vet Center or VA facility regarding therapy for your ailments. Looks to me like you're wound a lot tighter than is healthy for you or those around you.
What did I say Ray?
As such you should be eligible for treatment for possible service connected problems.
Kimi- 82nd Airborne thread 7/15 "After a career in the Marines"; 7/19 several entries "I consider myself a good Marine".
As such you should be eligible for treatment for possible service connected problems.
Ray, what if I would have said, "I consider myself an OUTSTANDING Marine." How would that come across to folks. ego-wise? Once when I referred to General Gray as a GOOD Marine, he understood it so well, he sent me an autograped picture of himself dressed in cammies along with some kind words. This, upon my transfer from the Fleet Marine Reserve at the thirty year mark. Most common folks don't go around bragging, as I am sure you would agree. Thank you for the responses, though, literally.
James
The upper border was around Dong HA & Khe Sanh.
More like Camp Carroll and the Rockpile.
I guess now that you have told us, you will have to kill us.....
History will not treat her well