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yea i can remember every 8 hours our platoon sergant would have to watch everyone take the pill, but after a few days, we stopped, some were already having stomach problems.
I instruct NBC Warfare Defense (Readiness/Disaster Preparedness)for the Air Force and here's what PB Tablets do in laymans terms. When you take these pills they actually "bind" a certain amount of cholenstra(sp?)very much like a nerve agent would only less.(sounds real healthy huh?) Then, when you are actually exposed to nerve agent (soman only, will not help with sarin or VX) those cholenstra that were bound by the tablets can't be bound by the nerve agent and you can function enough to maintain operation of your vital organs. Then of course you would nack yourself with the Atropine/2 PAM Chloride. This is my first post here and I want to thank all of you for your service!
SMSgt Dean Werner USAFR
HQ AFCESA, Tyndall AFB, FL
quote:Originally posted by cayugawi
I instruct NBC Warfare Defense (Readiness/Disaster Preparedness)for the Air Force and here's what PB Tablets do in laymans terms. When you take these pills they actually "bind" a certain amount of cholenstra(sp?)very much like a nerve agent would only less.(sounds real healthy huh?) Then, when you are actually exposed to nerve agent (soman only, will not help with sarin or VX) those cholenstra that were bound by the tablets can't be bound by the nerve agent and you can function enough to maintain operation of your vital organs. Then of course you would nack yourself with the Atropine/2 PAM Chloride. This is my first post here and I want to thank all of you for your service!
SMSgt Dean Werner USAFR
HQ AFCESA, Tyndall AFB, FL
...and thank you as well! Welcome aboard and thanks for the input.[:)]
quote:Originally posted by cayugawi
I instruct NBC Warfare Defense (Readiness/Disaster Preparedness)for the Air Force and here's what PB Tablets do in laymans terms. When you take these pills they actually "bind" a certain amount of cholenstra(sp?)very much like a nerve agent would only less.(sounds real healthy huh?) Then, when you are actually exposed to nerve agent (soman only, will not help with sarin or VX) those cholenstra that were bound by the tablets can't be bound by the nerve agent and you can function enough to maintain operation of your vital organs. Then of course you would nack yourself with the Atropine/2 PAM Chloride. This is my first post here and I want to thank all of you for your service!
SMSgt Dean Werner USAFR
HQ AFCESA, Tyndall AFB, FL
First let me welcome you to the forum.
I would like to ask you opinion as a NBC expert. What do you believe has made many of us sick?
I am one who has been living with symptoms of Gulf War Illness. The VA terms it as "Undiagnossed Illnesses" and I do have a rateing for it (I am 100% total with all my rateings).
I also was at Khamisiyah Iraq when we blew up the chemical weapons bunkers. We were wearing mopp suits, but had not masks, gloves, or boots on. We were told we would not need them due to the explosives being used.
I also know for a fact that these were chemical bunkers because I got to go down there and see them. And I also know that the troops that were in the area of Khamisiyah have a very high percentage of those with symptoms compaired to others.
Basicly I would just like the opinion of an NBC expert on thier feelings of what is possibly is?
Took the little white pills for about 1 week then Plt. Sargent came around and gathered them all up. Got the horse kick to the butt gamma globulen shot. WHOA!!!
Today: The runns about 50% of the time. Trouble sleeping at night. Rash over about 40% of my body. Besides that I'm in great shape.[B)]
Was on the line guarding the truce talks during last week of Feb Beginning of March. Huge explosion behind us one day. Hit the ground thinking we were under fire. No time to get in our tanks. BIG cloud to the south.
5years ago got a letter from the VA informing me that my unit was far outside the Khamisiyah blast zone. Uh huh[8]
quote:Originally posted by charliecrusader
Was on the line guarding the truce talks during last week of Feb Beginning of March. Huge explosion behind us one day. Hit the ground thinking we were under fire. No time to get in our tanks. BIG cloud to the south.
5years ago got a letter from the VA informing me that my unit was far outside the Khamisiyah blast zone. Uh huh[8]
lol We were on our tanks when that went off. Saw the cloud and thought oops.
Got the same letter. Wondered how they knew where we were joyriding that day???
Anyone else keep thier pills??? I have them here in the original packaging except the ones that I ingested against my liking. Here is what is printed on the label
Directions for use:
1. COMMENCE TAKING ONLY WHEN ORDERED BY YOUR COMMANDER
2. TAKE ONE EVERY 8 HOURS
3. IT IS DANGEROUS TO EXCEED THE STATED DOSE
DUPHAR B.V AMSTERDAM HOLLAND
LOT NO.:038641
MFD.:NOV. 1987
I can upload a picture of the pills and packaging if it will help someone. I dont complain about things, but my health has pretty much gone in the toilet the last several years. I noticed SOMETHING effecting me immediately after taking these pills. The biggest problem I have been dealing with is chronic fatigue. That was a problem immediately after taking these pills. I doubt any of us will ever have the government admit the pills are responsible for any ill health, doesnt matter really, but the men who follow us need not suffer as we do.
I had 2 packets, but never took any. At the time it was explained to us that the pills would bind to a small amount of your nervous system. If hit by nerve gas, that part of nervous system would react with Atropine injection and keep you alive. Atropine was supposed to make your heart race, and the 2-Pam Chloride was supposed to keep the atropine in check. Don't know if that's true or not.
I, too, was diagnosed at VA with "Undiagnosed Illness". I had many of the symptoms already mentioned - severe runs, bad memory loss, no energy. I think the cause lies in some of the shots we got. I was good friends with an Air Force medic and while I was in line to get my flu shot and first anthrax vaccine, I asked him if he had gotten his yet. He gave me a strange look and said, "No way! I'm not taking an experimental drug!" He told me that the anthrax vaccine had not been fully tested on humans and that I shouldn't get it. Unfortunately, I already had and I told him I didn't know I could refuse it. He told me otherwise and I never got the rest of the series of shots (2 more I believe). My problems have lessened dramatically over time, except for the memory loss. I went from severe runs and cramps 3-4 times every day (usually accompanied by high fever, severe sweating and almost feinting) to moderate runs once every few months and no more severe fevers or feintness. One effect of mercury is memory loss. Thimerisol was used as a preservative in the medical field and it's made from mercury. It used to be used in contact lens saline solution, too. My eye doctor said if it's poisonous to ingest mercury he wasn't going to "stick it" in his eye. Good advice.
A friend of mine from basic training had the following happen after he returned from Desert Storm (he was very near Khamisiyah and vividly remembers the bunkers being blown up). When having relations with his wife, if he * onto her skin it "burned" her and she developed small blisters where it touched her. He said it didn't happen prior to his deployment. He had 3 children, all of which had some sort of birth defect. His wife also had several miscarriages 20-24 weeks into the pregnancies. He received the entire anthrax series of shots along with Immunoglobin, flu smallpox, plague, yellow fever shots.
I would just like to add something else to this if I may. there was a scientist that worked for the gov, can't remember his name. He was assigned the job of finding a chemical that would kill cockroaches on contact. Ya'll know how hard it is to kill them. anyway, he finally found a combination that would do just that. It was a combination of PB and Deet. Interesting huh? when he heard about our guys coming home sick, he started looking into the symptoms and exposures. When he reported what he had found, he was told to keep quiet. when he refused, he was fired. this is not an urban legend, it is total fact. I did months of research on it, but have moved since and can't find the papers I had saved on it. If I can find his name, I will post it here.
Chemicals Linked to Gulf War Illness
Associated Press | March 11, 2008
WASHINGTON - Increasing evidence ties pesticides and other chemicals to some, not all, of the Gulf War illnesses that afflict thousands of veterans of the 1991 war, says an analysis published Monday.
Nearly 30 percent of troops who took part in the brief war have reported symptoms that include fatigue, memory loss, pain and difficulty sleeping. Citing the variety of symptoms, the Institute of Medicine in 2006 declared there is no single Gulf War syndrome, although troops who served in the Persian Gulf were sicker than those who didn't.
Multiple chemical exposures have long been chief suspects. So Dr. Beatrice Golomb of the University of California, San Diego, reviewed 115 studies of neurological symptoms and veterans' exposure to three related chemicals: the anti-nerve gas pyridostigmine bromide, or PB, given to troops at the time; pesticides used aggressively to control sand flies; and the nerve gas sarin.
Those chemicals belong to a family known as acetylcholinesterase inhibitors that work the same way in the body, she wrote Monday in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Among the evidence Golomb cites: Veterans who are genetically less able to clear this type of chemical from their bodies had a higher chance of suffering symptoms, which mirror problems reported by pesticide-exposed agriculture workers.
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SMSgt Dean Werner USAFR
HQ AFCESA, Tyndall AFB, FL
I instruct NBC Warfare Defense (Readiness/Disaster Preparedness)for the Air Force and here's what PB Tablets do in laymans terms. When you take these pills they actually "bind" a certain amount of cholenstra(sp?)very much like a nerve agent would only less.(sounds real healthy huh?) Then, when you are actually exposed to nerve agent (soman only, will not help with sarin or VX) those cholenstra that were bound by the tablets can't be bound by the nerve agent and you can function enough to maintain operation of your vital organs. Then of course you would nack yourself with the Atropine/2 PAM Chloride. This is my first post here and I want to thank all of you for your service!
SMSgt Dean Werner USAFR
HQ AFCESA, Tyndall AFB, FL
...and thank you as well! Welcome aboard and thanks for the input.[:)]
I instruct NBC Warfare Defense (Readiness/Disaster Preparedness)for the Air Force and here's what PB Tablets do in laymans terms. When you take these pills they actually "bind" a certain amount of cholenstra(sp?)very much like a nerve agent would only less.(sounds real healthy huh?) Then, when you are actually exposed to nerve agent (soman only, will not help with sarin or VX) those cholenstra that were bound by the tablets can't be bound by the nerve agent and you can function enough to maintain operation of your vital organs. Then of course you would nack yourself with the Atropine/2 PAM Chloride. This is my first post here and I want to thank all of you for your service!
SMSgt Dean Werner USAFR
HQ AFCESA, Tyndall AFB, FL
First let me welcome you to the forum.
I would like to ask you opinion as a NBC expert. What do you believe has made many of us sick?
I am one who has been living with symptoms of Gulf War Illness. The VA terms it as "Undiagnossed Illnesses" and I do have a rateing for it (I am 100% total with all my rateings).
I also was at Khamisiyah Iraq when we blew up the chemical weapons bunkers. We were wearing mopp suits, but had not masks, gloves, or boots on. We were told we would not need them due to the explosives being used.
I also know for a fact that these were chemical bunkers because I got to go down there and see them. And I also know that the troops that were in the area of Khamisiyah have a very high percentage of those with symptoms compaired to others.
Basicly I would just like the opinion of an NBC expert on thier feelings of what is possibly is?
Today: The runns about 50% of the time. Trouble sleeping at night. Rash over about 40% of my body. Besides that I'm in great shape.[B)]
5years ago got a letter from the VA informing me that my unit was far outside the Khamisiyah blast zone. Uh huh[8]
any of you guys take them during the desert shield/storm fracass?
I did twice. They made my fingers tingle and I felt .. off.
Pat
Was on the line guarding the truce talks during last week of Feb Beginning of March. Huge explosion behind us one day. Hit the ground thinking we were under fire. No time to get in our tanks. BIG cloud to the south.
5years ago got a letter from the VA informing me that my unit was far outside the Khamisiyah blast zone. Uh huh[8]
lol We were on our tanks when that went off. Saw the cloud and thought oops.
Got the same letter. Wondered how they knew where we were joyriding that day???
21 TABLETS
PYRIDOSTIGMINE BROMIDE USP 30 MG
(Nerve Agent Pre-Treatment Tablets)
NSN 6505-01-178-7903
Directions for use:
1. COMMENCE TAKING ONLY WHEN ORDERED BY YOUR COMMANDER
2. TAKE ONE EVERY 8 HOURS
3. IT IS DANGEROUS TO EXCEED THE STATED DOSE
DUPHAR B.V AMSTERDAM HOLLAND
LOT NO.:038641
MFD.:NOV. 1987
I can upload a picture of the pills and packaging if it will help someone. I dont complain about things, but my health has pretty much gone in the toilet the last several years. I noticed SOMETHING effecting me immediately after taking these pills. The biggest problem I have been dealing with is chronic fatigue. That was a problem immediately after taking these pills. I doubt any of us will ever have the government admit the pills are responsible for any ill health, doesnt matter really, but the men who follow us need not suffer as we do.
I, too, was diagnosed at VA with "Undiagnosed Illness". I had many of the symptoms already mentioned - severe runs, bad memory loss, no energy. I think the cause lies in some of the shots we got. I was good friends with an Air Force medic and while I was in line to get my flu shot and first anthrax vaccine, I asked him if he had gotten his yet. He gave me a strange look and said, "No way! I'm not taking an experimental drug!" He told me that the anthrax vaccine had not been fully tested on humans and that I shouldn't get it. Unfortunately, I already had and I told him I didn't know I could refuse it. He told me otherwise and I never got the rest of the series of shots (2 more I believe). My problems have lessened dramatically over time, except for the memory loss. I went from severe runs and cramps 3-4 times every day (usually accompanied by high fever, severe sweating and almost feinting) to moderate runs once every few months and no more severe fevers or feintness. One effect of mercury is memory loss. Thimerisol was used as a preservative in the medical field and it's made from mercury. It used to be used in contact lens saline solution, too. My eye doctor said if it's poisonous to ingest mercury he wasn't going to "stick it" in his eye. Good advice.
A friend of mine from basic training had the following happen after he returned from Desert Storm (he was very near Khamisiyah and vividly remembers the bunkers being blown up). When having relations with his wife, if he * onto her skin it "burned" her and she developed small blisters where it touched her. He said it didn't happen prior to his deployment. He had 3 children, all of which had some sort of birth defect. His wife also had several miscarriages 20-24 weeks into the pregnancies. He received the entire anthrax series of shots along with Immunoglobin, flu smallpox, plague, yellow fever shots.
Chemicals Linked to Gulf War Illness
Associated Press | March 11, 2008
WASHINGTON - Increasing evidence ties pesticides and other chemicals to some, not all, of the Gulf War illnesses that afflict thousands of veterans of the 1991 war, says an analysis published Monday.
Nearly 30 percent of troops who took part in the brief war have reported symptoms that include fatigue, memory loss, pain and difficulty sleeping. Citing the variety of symptoms, the Institute of Medicine in 2006 declared there is no single Gulf War syndrome, although troops who served in the Persian Gulf were sicker than those who didn't.
Multiple chemical exposures have long been chief suspects. So Dr. Beatrice Golomb of the University of California, San Diego, reviewed 115 studies of neurological symptoms and veterans' exposure to three related chemicals: the anti-nerve gas pyridostigmine bromide, or PB, given to troops at the time; pesticides used aggressively to control sand flies; and the nerve gas sarin.
Those chemicals belong to a family known as acetylcholinesterase inhibitors that work the same way in the body, she wrote Monday in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Among the evidence Golomb cites: Veterans who are genetically less able to clear this type of chemical from their bodies had a higher chance of suffering symptoms, which mirror problems reported by pesticide-exposed agriculture workers.