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I am sure someone here can explain this to us.
Waco Waltz
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Note 4 lines, none coming directly out of the engine. Tell me again about atmospheric conditions and high altitude air temps. [:D]
Unless someone can make a really good case for digital manipulation this is irrefutable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-xD0QxGlGM
Link fixed.
Unless someone can make a really good case for digital manipulation this is irrefutable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-xD0QxGlGMLink fixed.
Comments
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001648.html
The fact there are no visible streams from the engine exhausts in the video contradict this inside source.
So, someone is full of it. I vote both you and he.
Here, learn something.
Contrails (short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are artificial clouds that are the visible trails of condensed water vapour made by the exhaust of aircraft engines. As the hot exhaust gases cool in the surrounding air they may precipitate a cloud of microscopic water droplets. If the air is cold enough, this trail will comprise tiny ice crystals.[1]
The wingtip vortices which trail from the wingtips and wing * of aircraft are sometimes partly visible due to condensation in the cores of the vortices. Each vortex is a mass of spinning air and the air pressure at the centre of the vortex is very low. These wingtip vortices are not the same as contrails.
Depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for many hours which may affect climate.[2]
As a wing generates lift, it causes a vortex to form at each wingtip, and sometimes also at the tip of each wing flap. These wingtip vortices persist in the atmosphere long after the aircraft has passed. The reduction in pressure and temperature across each vortex can cause water to condense and make the cores of the wingtip vortices visible. This effect is more common on humid days. Wingtip vortices can sometimes be seen behind the wing * of airliners during takeoff and landing, and during landing of the Space shuttle.
SOURCE: http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Contrail.html
Please note the Utube trash was videoed during a foggy very high humidity landing.
Well according to this former airline pilot, "The program functions generally as follows: The desired chemical agents (which I will cover in detail soon) are integrated into the jet fuel itself by the large oil companies at their refineries. This is why there are no separate delivery trucks or aircraft spraying systems to be found. The chemicals are dispersed directly by the engines into the atmosphere."
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001648.html
The fact there are no visible streams from the engine exhausts in the video contradict this inside source.
So, someone is full of it. I vote both you and he.
You are siting an outdated theory.
It is irrefutable if you choose ignorance over knowledge. I have flown millions of miles, contrails from * and wing tips are common, I saw them 100's of times while landing and taking off.
Here, learn something.
Contrails (short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are artificial clouds that are the visible trails of condensed water vapour made by the exhaust of aircraft engines. As the hot exhaust gases cool in the surrounding air they may precipitate a cloud of microscopic water droplets. If the air is cold enough, this trail will comprise tiny ice crystals.[1]
The wingtip vortices which trail from the wingtips and wing * of aircraft are sometimes partly visible due to condensation in the cores of the vortices. Each vortex is a mass of spinning air and the air pressure at the centre of the vortex is very low. These wingtip vortices are not the same as contrails.
Depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for many hours which may affect climate.[2]
As a wing generates lift, it causes a vortex to form at each wingtip, and sometimes also at the tip of each wing flap. These wingtip vortices persist in the atmosphere long after the aircraft has passed. The reduction in pressure and temperature across each vortex can cause water to condense and make the cores of the wingtip vortices visible. This effect is more common on humid days. Wingtip vortices can sometimes be seen behind the wing * of airliners during takeoff and landing, and during landing of the Space shuttle.
SOURCE: http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Contrail.html
Please note the Utube trash was videoed during a foggy very high humidity landing.
Clearly we are seeing this in the video not in the atmosphere(high up) and in warm conditions. There is cloud cover. While you might want a coat in this weather it is not very cold. Keep the excuses coming!
quote:Originally posted by bpost
It is irrefutable if you choose ignorance over knowledge. I have flown millions of miles, contrails from * and wing tips are common, I saw them 100's of times while landing and taking off.
Here, learn something.
Contrails (short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are artificial clouds that are the visible trails of condensed water vapour made by the exhaust of aircraft engines. As the hot exhaust gases cool in the surrounding air they may precipitate a cloud of microscopic water droplets. If the air is cold enough, this trail will comprise tiny ice crystals.[1]
The wingtip vortices which trail from the wingtips and wing * of aircraft are sometimes partly visible due to condensation in the cores of the vortices. Each vortex is a mass of spinning air and the air pressure at the centre of the vortex is very low. These wingtip vortices are not the same as contrails.
Depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for many hours which may affect climate.[2]
As a wing generates lift, it causes a vortex to form at each wingtip, and sometimes also at the tip of each wing flap. These wingtip vortices persist in the atmosphere long after the aircraft has passed. The reduction in pressure and temperature across each vortex can cause water to condense and make the cores of the wingtip vortices visible. This effect is more common on humid days. Wingtip vortices can sometimes be seen behind the wing * of airliners during takeoff and landing, and during landing of the Space shuttle.
SOURCE: http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Contrail.html
Please note the Utube trash was videoed during a foggy very high humidity landing.
Clearly we are seeing this in the video not in the atmosphere(high up) and in warm conditions. There is cloud cover. While you might want a coat in this weather it is not very cold. Keep the excuses coming!
My momma taught me to stop arguing with an idiot; they simply beat you down with experience.
If you put ice out in temps lower then 33 degrees you won't see it melt. ON a hot summer day that ice cure will melt pretty fast and be gone.
So when I see contrails in a hot summer sky lingering for hours I wonder who it is here that has a grasp on science and who does not. Obviously some of you are wearing blinders.
Some of you will explain it away by suggesting on those hot summer days I saw it lingering it was a result of really hot conditions at the ground level but somehow an arctic freeze was running up above.
You guys are total scientists. I am in awe of your scientific abilities.
Some of you will explain it away by suggesting on those hot summer days I saw it lingering it was a result of really hot conditions at the ground level but somehow an arctic freeze was running up above.
You really can't be that willfully ignorant, can you? Sad, really sad. [:(]
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/standard-atmosphere-d_604.html
Note 4 lines, none coming directly out of the engine. Tell me again about atmospheric conditions and high altitude air temps. [:D]
Unless someone can make a really good case for digital manipulation this is irrefutable.
Link fixed.
That one is a normal occurrence with aircraft Waco-[;)] The big ones in question are the ones that happen on a scheduled time frame and the aircraft flying the grid in real time or 5 min delay do not show up on http://www.flightradar24.com/
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Note 4 lines, none coming directly out of the engine. Tell me again about atmospheric conditions and high altitude air temps. [:D]
Unless someone can make a really good case for digital manipulation this is irrefutable.
Link fixed.
That one is a normal occurrence with aircraft Waco-[;)] The big ones in question are the ones that happen on a scheduled time frame and the aircraft flying the grid in real time or 5 min delay do not show up on http://www.flightradar24.com/
I believe I saw personally these air craft you speak of. Flying a grid, laying trails. Over a space of about 20 miles. 5 to 6 jets not air liners but smaller. Criss crossed grid, every time any jet in the game came to the end of the grid the contrail stopped. Every time any jet made a u turn and came back into the gid the spray started again right when it got parallel with the grid so it cold lay the next line. Over and over and I watched for over an hour. So no one is going to tell me I was seeing contrails interacting with warm and cold air pockets precisely where they needed to be to form this perfectly built grid. The mathematically improbability of this occurring is sky high so far as the odds. You could probably try and re create this using real contrails and never get it done in a life time of doing it every day.
So when I see the same stuff on this plane coming in for a landing I know what I am seeing. Seen many a jet come in on a foggy strip, you don't see what you saw in this video. No way no how. If you do find me another example.
The excuses are already being posted on youtube and live link. It's water vapor from a vortex created by the wing. Bulllllllllllllllll ****.
Wake up, DING DONG open your eye balls!
Waco, nutcases have been muttering about contrails for decades, this is nothing new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DrQog6rVavc
Sanitys Void, indeed.
Yes since about 1990 but not before that. If you can show me an example of nut cases saying contrails were something other then contrails show me an article or home movie.
The Debate revolving around "Chem trails" is simple one. Con-trails evaporate., They come and go in a reasonable amount of time. This we all agree.
Chem-trails on the other hand (No conspiracy) is an experiment funded by you and I to fight the so called "Global Warming" effect. So how do you mask such a program? High altitude spray where no one will take notice. Here on the west coast is where it happens, Artificial man made Clouds follow the jet stream West to East.
Most of us are asking, Instead of jumping on the "Conspiracy poo poo train, ask your self- Do you think a weather modification program is being conducted in the name of global warming?
Do you think "if" such a program did exist, would they would be open about it over chemicals used- IE Health issues?
If you trust every thing you see and are told- Question it! No harm in that!!!!!![8D][:)]
Because I was NOT born yesterday and observed Jets for 30 some years living near NSA Miramar. I know. The odds, I don't know the numbers but I know the odds of what I saw being contrails is a lot less likely then is the Government lying to us about what they are spraying. Again was not born yesterday.
While weather modification is no conspiracy and every sane person on the planet with a little education knows man kind has been trying to control weather for decades, IE Cloud seeding etc.
The Debate revolving around "Chem trails" is simple one. Con-trails evaporate., They come and go in a reasonable amount of time. This we all agree.
Chem-trails on the other hand (No conspiracy) is an experiment funded by you and I to fight the so called "Global Warming" effect. So how do you mask such a program? High altitude spray where no one will take notice. Here on the west coast is where it happens, Artificial man made Clouds follow the jet stream West to East.
Most of us are asking, Instead of jumping on the "Conspiracy poo poo train, ask your self- Do you think a weather modification program is being conducted in the name of global warming?
Do you think "if" such a program did exist, would they would be open about it over chemicals used- IE Health issues?
If you trust every thing you see and are told- Question it! No harm in that!!!!!![8D][:)]
Well maybe they are just trying to help us all out but why don't they just say so. Why deny and in a soviet style response call people crazy for seeing it as a spray and asking questions?
Weather modification could be a cover story. Maybe they don't want to get sued when they totally screw up the environment.
And another point I made in a live leak comment. You NEVER saw this contrail chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's. Ask yourself why that is. Take a look at photographs of aerial combat over Europe from WWII. You will see literally hundreds of contrails.
So all of a sudden these contrails became chemtrails? Gimme a break!
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Note 4 lines, none coming directly out of the engine. Tell me again about atmospheric conditions and high altitude air temps. [:D]
Unless someone can make a really good case for digital manipulation this is irrefutable.
Link fixed.
That one is a normal occurrence with aircraft Waco-[;)] The big ones in question are the ones that happen on a scheduled time frame and the aircraft flying the grid in real time or 5 min delay do not show up on http://www.flightradar24.com/
Taken outside my office last summer.
They disappeared over about 10 - 15 minutes IIRC.
One would think if these folks are smart enough to get the stuff to disappear after spraying, they could come up with a way to keep it from being seen while spraying.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And another point I made in a live leak comment. You NEVER saw this contrail chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's. Ask yourself why that is. Take a look at photographs of aerial combat over Europe from WWII. You will see literally hundreds of contrails.
So all of a sudden these contrails became chemtrails? Gimme a break!
Whoa reading comprehension much? I said the "Debate" I did not say we never saw contrails. Jesus christ dude re read what I said. Give ME a break. Are you intentionally trying to muddy the waters here?
Funny- we make international agreements for something that does not exist.
http://www.un-documents.net/enmod.htm
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmselect/cmdius/uc1064-i/uc106402.htm
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/4/4/045102
The patent holders-
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=3,899,144.PN.&OS=PN/3,899,144&RS=PN/3,899,144
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,003,186.PN.&OS=PN/5,003,186&RS=PN/5,003,186
Nothing to see here-
http://news.sciencemag.org/2010/01/bill-gates-funding-geoengineering-research
and last but not least of thousands of web sites with gov. links
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-government-routinely-conducts-experiments-on-weather-modification/7139
Interesting stuff there.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=3,899,144.PN.&OS=PN/3,899,144&RS=PN/3,899,144
http://intellectualventureslab.com/?p=296
Taken outside hot summer day and lingered for hours while higher above it real contrails dissipated rapidly.
QED
I give up. [B)]
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
conditions, not chemtrails.
However commercial planes do not fly patterns observed
daily laying down a cloud.
What I believe they have been doing with this military
operation is deliberately destroying the ozone layer.
-
Basic chemistry of ozone depletion
"one molecule of chlorine can degrade over 100,000 molecules
of ozone before it is removed from the stratosphere or becomes
part of an inactive compound"
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Biology/eh01/ozone/epsformationoz.htm
http://ozonedepletion.researchtoday.net/archive/8/12/509.htm
http://ozonedepletion.researchtoday.net/archive/4/8/133.htm
www.geoengineeringwatch.org/dangerous-ozone-depletion-and-uv-levels-increasing/
Cooling System Additives
"Vappro 748 does not contain toxic substances like Chromate,
Barium Bromate or any Ozone depleting substances."
www.interprocorp.com/cooling-system-additives.html
And now the disinfo.. chemtrails are here to help us by reflecting
sun to prevent global warming.
Solar radiation management: Stratospheric aerosols
"A more sophisticated approach, using multi-layered nanoparticles
(consisting of aluminum and barium titanate), was published by David
Keith in 2010."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_radiation_management#Stratospheric_aerosols
A Significant Ozone Hole Is Reported Over the Arctic
By Felicity Barringer
October 3, 2011
www.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/science/earth/04ozone.html
www.theozonehole.com/arcticozone.htm
Fish getting skin cancer from UV radiation, scientists say
"Teams find cancerous lesions on the scales of about 15% of the coral
trout in Australia's Great Barrier Reef, which is under an ozone hole."
www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-fish-skin-cancer-20120802,0,1441790.story
Ozone hole and cancers
www.theozonehole.com/consequences.htm
www.theozonehole.com/australianskincancer.htm
www.epa.gov/ozone/science/sc_fact.html
Cancer fear rises as ozone hole grows
www.stuff.co.nz/science/5884864/Cancer-fear-rises-as-ozone-hole-grows
www.ozone-hole.org.uk/11.php
Skin cancers of all kinds are on the rise, worldwide
www.medicalecology.org/atmosphere/a_app_strat.htm
"DEPLETION of the ozone layer has been observed on a global scale,
and is probably related to halocarbon emissions. Ozone depletion
increases the biologically harmful solar ultraviolet radiation
reaching the surface of the Earth, which leads to a variety of
adverse effects, including an increase in the incidence of skin cancer."
www.nature.com/nature/journal/v384/n6606/abs/384256a0.html
Health Effects of Overexposure to the Sun
Ozone layer depletion decreases our atmosphere's natural protection
from the sun's harmful ultraviolet (UV) rays. This Web page provides
a quick overview of the major health problems linked to overexposure
to UV radiation. Understanding these risks and taking a few sensible
precautions will help you enjoy the sun while lowering your chances
of sun-related health problems.
Ultraviolet (UV) radiation from the sun and from tanning beds is
classified as a human carcinogen by the U.S. Department of Health
and Human Services and the World Health Organization.
Skin cancer (melanoma and nonmelanoma)
Premature aging of the skin and other skin problems
Cataracts and other eye damage
Immune system suppression
www.epa.gov/sunwise/uvandhealth.html
www.who.int/uv/health/en/
Chemtrails Spray Barium Toxic Skies: KSLA Reports
Tanker caught spraying close-up!
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And another point I made in a live leak comment. You NEVER saw this contrail chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's. Ask yourself why that is. Take a look at photographs of aerial combat over Europe from WWII. You will see literally hundreds of contrails.
So all of a sudden these contrails became chemtrails? Gimme a break!
Whoa reading comprehension much? I said the "Debate" I did not say we never saw contrails. Jesus christ dude re read what I said. Give ME a break. Are you intentionally trying to muddy the waters here?
Okay,"dude," just for you, the reason you did not see "chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's" is because there was no Internet for people to debate on "in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's."
DUH!
Feel secure. The good Lord protects drunks and fools.
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And another point I made in a live leak comment. You NEVER saw this contrail chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's. Ask yourself why that is. Take a look at photographs of aerial combat over Europe from WWII. You will see literally hundreds of contrails.
So all of a sudden these contrails became chemtrails? Gimme a break!
Whoa reading comprehension much? I said the "Debate" I did not say we never saw contrails. Jesus christ dude re read what I said. Give ME a break. Are you intentionally trying to muddy the waters here?
Okay,"dude," just for you, the reason you did not see "chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's" is because there was no Internet for people to debate on "in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's."
DUH!
Feel secure. The good Lord protects drunks and fools.
Sorry but you are off base again. The debate started before the internet was publicly available and before it was even widely available.
Maybe you are 15 years old and don't recall? I am 45 and remember well. I think one of the first publications to cover it was THE SPOTLIGHT.
Sorry but you are off base again. The debate started before the internet was publicly available and before it was even widely available.
Maybe you are 15 years old and don't recall? I am 45 and remember well. I think one of the first publications to cover it was THE SPOTLIGHT.Commercial Internet service providers began to emerge in the late 1980s.
The Spotlight first published in September 1975, but did not go on-line until 1997. It went tits-up in July 2001.
A Google search on "chemtrails" failed to find any reference prior to 1995. Chemtrail Central states, "Reports of Chemtrails began slowly gaining momentum in 1999, and are increasing rapidly in 2000. There are reports and photographic evidence to suggest that some spraying was occuring [sic] as early as 1990."
The Spotlight published a single article about chemtrails in their print version on Oct 9, 2000. In that article they remarked that chemtrails had been noticed "two years ago." That puts the advent of your "Great Chemtrail Debate" sometime in 1998.
Three additional articles about chemtrails in The Spotlight were published on-line in 2001 on Feb 19, June 11, and June 25.
So, Waco, were you a paper subscriber to The Spotlight prior to 1997? Even if you were (which I doubt) the fact remains that an article in a fringe publication like The Spotlight hardly qualifies as a "Great Debate." And 1998 is hardly, "before the internet was publicly available and before it was even widely available."
I suggest we might all best be served if you would do just a little research before making your assertions.
The above dates are available on-line.
Once again, "the reason you did not see 'chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's' is because there was no Internet for people to debate on 'in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's.'"
The combination of wide Internet access, gross ignorance on the part of many, and the normal delay between one person hollering, "The sky is falling," and other fools taking up the same cry explains the delay in seeing your "Great Debate" become urban legend.
You are 45 years old? Damn, that's impressive. Me? I was working on nuclear weapons at (classified) in 1969 about the time you were born.
I love this thread[:D]
We need to have a "Wierd Science" forum.[:D]