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quote:Originally posted by FrancF
Getting a little heavy
There's always a few people who turn to the worst sort of insults when their personal history of the world is challenged by unpleasant realities. It's gotten to the point where at least one, sometimes several post little barbs in completely unrelated threads anytime they see my user name. Even when I agree with them, it just doesn't matter to them anymore.
There's a hell of a lot I could say about all that. I don't because when I do it's the other guy that flies off the handle and does something to get banned. Not sure why I still hold off so much. Couple of people asked me privately to not help their friends get banned by holding back on my own reply. I don't see it working to tamp down the rude behavior, but it's not my way to respond in kind. Oh well.
Anyway, this has been moved to "Politics", a place I rarely visit and never subscribe to. Too much partisan crapola for me. Guess I'll just wrap it up and unsubscribe from this one.
In a moment ...
The original question was "What Would Bush Do"? Well, there's a history there. He did very poorly with his turn at bat. There's quite a lot of re-writing of history going on to claim he did better, and challenging that brings heaps of insults. Not from everyone, just a few. There's always a few.
As I've said in other threads, Obama is a weak and ineffectual leader. In other words, merely a politician. In dealing with Russia that makes him a lot like Bush. The only thing available to add to this turn with the Russians is economic sanctions, and that's being done. Not very well, due to European reservations and Obama's inability to convince them. There's that weak and ineffectual thing again. Oh, and he pulled in some Russian shotguns and such like that Americans should have enough love of country to not buy anyway. Still, he should not have done that. Bad move.
As for what "side" I lean towards my posts should have revealed that. But because I do not use a nasty, tasteless, 12 year old fart jokes level of insults even for politicians AND I speak to facts not partisan ideology, I get labeled.
All my posts being Pro-Life, Pro-Gun, Pro-Border Security, pro-Capital Punishment, Pro-Fiscal Intelligence and Pro-Military get ignored. Same deal with all my posts on guns get ignored. Discussions on building AR's. On problems and parts and values. Pictures of what I own. Comparisons of the pistols I carry and how I carry them. The shotguns I keep at the ready (one has a bayonet). My experiences using guns for self defense (twice with people, once with wild animals). Posts on how to find .22 ammo, which I have done well in finding without paying gouger prices. Posts on teaching kids to shoot. Posts of my kid doing fantastic in ROTC. I read Ask The Experts a lot and have posted there, been quite some time since posting though.
All ignored by the haters because I won't use the child-like language others use when talking about politicians and I refuse to buy into their fiction-filled re-writes of history.
History does not support or oppose any side. It's just History. After that comes Politics, which is the enemy of History.
I was pissed at people who PhotoShopped Bush to look like a monkey. Same deal with turning Obama into a the Joker, or whatever. All that stuff is crap. Helps nothing, solves nothing. Raises the noise level without offering a single idea, a single fix to anything. Makes matters worse. I'm sick of it, have been for decades. None of it is constructive, it's all destructive. There's no intelligence to American political discussion anymore. We've devolved into the 1830's and 1840's all over again.
Yes, it would take a knowledge of history and a willingness to read actual books to know what that last comment refers to. I won't explain it further. People here wish to know more they can get of the computer and go to a library.
Again, this has been moved to Politics. The Dung Heap of the Forums.
Originally posted by gary wray
So many "Bush haters" here! Kinda sad, actually. He is looking better and better as each year passes....kinda like Harry Truman and his legacy.
The mess that we see in the Middle East is the Harry Truman legacy. When the Zionists were pushing for the creation of Israel, Truman's advisers spoke against it. After receiving threats, toxic material in his mail, over $1,000,000 cash ( The buck stopped there )[:D] and the nomination to run for president, he changed his mind and supported the creation of Israel. The Communists were more than happy to see this happen. Large numbers of Communist agents were moved into Israel with the illegal immigrants that flooded in from Eastern Europe and Russia providing the basis for the Israeli Soviet. The Arab states turned against the U.S. and opened their doors to Russia as a result of Truman's actions.
The mess that we see in the Middle East is the Harry Truman legacy.
Just about every war or "police action" since WWII has taken place because Truman chose to listen to his advisors who were a bunch of jealous generals instead of listening to General MacArthur.
quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
quote:Originally posted by DaveJ
The mess that we see in the Middle East is the Harry Truman legacy.
Just about every war or "police action" since WWII has taken place because Truman chose to listen to his advisors who were a bunch of jealous generals instead of listening to General MacArthur.
If he had listened to them instead of the Communists Morgenthua and Baruch, we wouldn't have the mess that we have today.
quote:Originally posted by gary wray
So many "Bush haters" here! Kinda sad, actually. He is looking better and better as each year passes....kinda like Harry Truman and his legacy. Who knows what he would have done...but I don't think he would have been doing a fundraiser or going golfin' when the crisis (es) were happening. I would like to think that he would tell the country that we are going to help folks who ask for our material help (with something more than MRE's) and rally the cause against tyranny....Russian style. But you either have a backbone or you don't and both Bush presidents have one and the one we got now just kinda struts and acts cocky but not much in the backbone dept IMO.
I hate to think Harry Truman is the best example you can think of.
What about the mess he left us with in North Korea or Israel/Palestine? What about Communist China, the Soviet atomic bomb & all the traitors in the State Department?
quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
Ukraine + Russia + Malaysia
Why should we stick our nose and tax dollars into it?
Founders of this nation boldly proclaimed this country is here so the wealthy can make money off of it. It really isn't hard to understand.
People complain about welfare and the poor, but where does every tax dollar go? They don't keep any, it's all spent, who gets it and don't for a second think those who get it are clueless how it got there. They all know how things work. That why "we" stick our necks out.
The really funny thing is, it doesn't work. If it did it wouldn't take a billionaire today to be as well off as a millionaire was 100 years ago. The thing has made the dollar worth very little.
Their making money, but at every twisted turn they make it worth less.
Now we are getting off on hating Harry Truman! What a hoot! Brings to mind the old song R&R song (from a DE Rocker!)........"Who do you love?" Hate Bush, hate HST....the list is long I guess. Where is my tin hat[;)]
Why is it hate? A bad tree produces bad fruit, you don't hate the fruit or the tree, but you have serious doubts about the people who planted it. Governments can do nothing unless the people empower it. Thousands of years and people still don't understand how government is empowered.
Governments are born out of abuse, a bad tree that was planted.
I'll tell you what, prove government isn't highly inefficient and grossly abusive of power? It can't be done, does that led to hate? Only by the ignorant who constantly fertilize the bad tree and continue to blame the bad fruit it produces for being bad.
Truman sought and won being head of that tree, what does that make him? Just bad fruit.
Love your neighbor or suffer government, or in a non religious tone, abuse the freedom of another, rob him, cheat him, spitefully abuse him, sleep with his wife, kill his children, prey on his parents and suffer government, a highly inefficient, grossly abusive of power entity born out of hate.
What's the hate level these days if it could be gauged? Has government grown with the hate? If it wasn't for government being so inefficient and abusive our hate would've ended us long ago. It's a necessary evil.
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Getting a little heavy
There's always a few people who turn to the worst sort of insults when their personal history of the world is challenged by unpleasant realities. It's gotten to the point where at least one, sometimes several post little barbs in completely unrelated threads anytime they see my user name. Even when I agree with them, it just doesn't matter to them anymore.
There's a hell of a lot I could say about all that. I don't because when I do it's the other guy that flies off the handle and does something to get banned. Not sure why I still hold off so much. Couple of people asked me privately to not help their friends get banned by holding back on my own reply. I don't see it working to tamp down the rude behavior, but it's not my way to respond in kind. Oh well.
Anyway, this has been moved to "Politics", a place I rarely visit and never subscribe to. Too much partisan crapola for me. Guess I'll just wrap it up and unsubscribe from this one.
In a moment ...
The original question was "What Would Bush Do"? Well, there's a history there. He did very poorly with his turn at bat. There's quite a lot of re-writing of history going on to claim he did better, and challenging that brings heaps of insults. Not from everyone, just a few. There's always a few.
As I've said in other threads, Obama is a weak and ineffectual leader. In other words, merely a politician. In dealing with Russia that makes him a lot like Bush. The only thing available to add to this turn with the Russians is economic sanctions, and that's being done. Not very well, due to European reservations and Obama's inability to convince them. There's that weak and ineffectual thing again. Oh, and he pulled in some Russian shotguns and such like that Americans should have enough love of country to not buy anyway. Still, he should not have done that. Bad move.
As for what "side" I lean towards my posts should have revealed that. But because I do not use a nasty, tasteless, 12 year old fart jokes level of insults even for politicians AND I speak to facts not partisan ideology, I get labeled.
All my posts being Pro-Life, Pro-Gun, Pro-Border Security, pro-Capital Punishment, Pro-Fiscal Intelligence and Pro-Military get ignored. Same deal with all my posts on guns get ignored. Discussions on building AR's. On problems and parts and values. Pictures of what I own. Comparisons of the pistols I carry and how I carry them. The shotguns I keep at the ready (one has a bayonet). My experiences using guns for self defense (twice with people, once with wild animals). Posts on how to find .22 ammo, which I have done well in finding without paying gouger prices. Posts on teaching kids to shoot. Posts of my kid doing fantastic in ROTC. I read Ask The Experts a lot and have posted there, been quite some time since posting though.
All ignored by the haters because I won't use the child-like language others use when talking about politicians and I refuse to buy into their fiction-filled re-writes of history.
History does not support or oppose any side. It's just History. After that comes Politics, which is the enemy of History.
I was pissed at people who PhotoShopped Bush to look like a monkey. Same deal with turning Obama into a the Joker, or whatever. All that stuff is crap. Helps nothing, solves nothing. Raises the noise level without offering a single idea, a single fix to anything. Makes matters worse. I'm sick of it, have been for decades. None of it is constructive, it's all destructive. There's no intelligence to American political discussion anymore. We've devolved into the 1830's and 1840's all over again.
Yes, it would take a knowledge of history and a willingness to read actual books to know what that last comment refers to. I won't explain it further. People here wish to know more they can get of the computer and go to a library.
Again, this has been moved to Politics. The Dung Heap of the Forums.
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The mess that we see in the Middle East is the Harry Truman legacy.
Just about every war or "police action" since WWII has taken place because Truman chose to listen to his advisors who were a bunch of jealous generals instead of listening to General MacArthur.
quote:Originally posted by DaveJ
The mess that we see in the Middle East is the Harry Truman legacy.
Just about every war or "police action" since WWII has taken place because Truman chose to listen to his advisors who were a bunch of jealous generals instead of listening to General MacArthur.
If he had listened to them instead of the Communists Morgenthua and Baruch, we wouldn't have the mess that we have today.
So many "Bush haters" here! Kinda sad, actually. He is looking better and better as each year passes....kinda like Harry Truman and his legacy. Who knows what he would have done...but I don't think he would have been doing a fundraiser or going golfin' when the crisis (es) were happening. I would like to think that he would tell the country that we are going to help folks who ask for our material help (with something more than MRE's) and rally the cause against tyranny....Russian style. But you either have a backbone or you don't and both Bush presidents have one and the one we got now just kinda struts and acts cocky but not much in the backbone dept IMO.
I hate to think Harry Truman is the best example you can think of.
What about the mess he left us with in North Korea or Israel/Palestine? What about Communist China, the Soviet atomic bomb & all the traitors in the State Department?
Ukraine + Russia + Malaysia
Why should we stick our nose and tax dollars into it?
Founders of this nation boldly proclaimed this country is here so the wealthy can make money off of it. It really isn't hard to understand.
People complain about welfare and the poor, but where does every tax dollar go? They don't keep any, it's all spent, who gets it and don't for a second think those who get it are clueless how it got there. They all know how things work. That why "we" stick our necks out.
The really funny thing is, it doesn't work. If it did it wouldn't take a billionaire today to be as well off as a millionaire was 100 years ago. The thing has made the dollar worth very little.
Their making money, but at every twisted turn they make it worth less.
Now we are getting off on hating Harry Truman! What a hoot! Brings to mind the old song R&R song (from a DE Rocker!)........"Who do you love?" Hate Bush, hate HST....the list is long I guess. Where is my tin hat[;)]
Why is it hate? A bad tree produces bad fruit, you don't hate the fruit or the tree, but you have serious doubts about the people who planted it. Governments can do nothing unless the people empower it. Thousands of years and people still don't understand how government is empowered.
Governments are born out of abuse, a bad tree that was planted.
I'll tell you what, prove government isn't highly inefficient and grossly abusive of power? It can't be done, does that led to hate? Only by the ignorant who constantly fertilize the bad tree and continue to blame the bad fruit it produces for being bad.
Truman sought and won being head of that tree, what does that make him? Just bad fruit.
Love your neighbor or suffer government, or in a non religious tone, abuse the freedom of another, rob him, cheat him, spitefully abuse him, sleep with his wife, kill his children, prey on his parents and suffer government, a highly inefficient, grossly abusive of power entity born out of hate.
What's the hate level these days if it could be gauged? Has government grown with the hate? If it wasn't for government being so inefficient and abusive our hate would've ended us long ago. It's a necessary evil.
If he was president still. With the 2 things going on in Israel and Russia.
Wake up long enough to take a bribe and then go back to sleep.