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Trump - a Constitutional problem
Mr. Perfect
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Trump has said that as president he would sue Newspapers that write negatively about him... 1st amendment be damned.
http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/02/trump-just-issued-massive-threat-to-news-media/
Trump has said he supports a national concealed carry permit, states rights and the 10th Amendment be damned. He also compares it to a diver's license, which as he correctly notes is a privilege, not a right, the 2nd Amendment be damned.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/18/trump-backs-2nd-amendment-national-concealed-carry/
And regarding the 2nd Amendment in particular a mere 16 years ago Trump was all too willing to ban assault weapons and was all for increased waiting periods for folks to obtain firearms. Are we to believe him then, when he was willing to put it IN WRITING or now, when he's campaigning and seeking elected office?
quote:I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today's Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000
Trump has long supported and abused eminent domain laws, the 4th, 5th and 14th amendments be damned.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/08/19/donald-trumps-abuse-of-eminent-domain/
Keeping these things in mind, do folks really think a president Trump would be the constitutional advocate and protector they need at the highest level? Will they feel secure in their persons and property from government overreach? Do they think their rights will be secure? Do they think that their freedoms will increase at all under Trump? Or do they even place any importance upon freedoms and rights at all? Does what Trump has done in the past play any part in how believable he is now? Questions.
http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/02/trump-just-issued-massive-threat-to-news-media/
Trump has said he supports a national concealed carry permit, states rights and the 10th Amendment be damned. He also compares it to a diver's license, which as he correctly notes is a privilege, not a right, the 2nd Amendment be damned.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/18/trump-backs-2nd-amendment-national-concealed-carry/
And regarding the 2nd Amendment in particular a mere 16 years ago Trump was all too willing to ban assault weapons and was all for increased waiting periods for folks to obtain firearms. Are we to believe him then, when he was willing to put it IN WRITING or now, when he's campaigning and seeking elected office?
quote:I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today's Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000
Trump has long supported and abused eminent domain laws, the 4th, 5th and 14th amendments be damned.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/08/19/donald-trumps-abuse-of-eminent-domain/
Keeping these things in mind, do folks really think a president Trump would be the constitutional advocate and protector they need at the highest level? Will they feel secure in their persons and property from government overreach? Do they think their rights will be secure? Do they think that their freedoms will increase at all under Trump? Or do they even place any importance upon freedoms and rights at all? Does what Trump has done in the past play any part in how believable he is now? Questions.
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While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
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And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
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Time for "The Hook" to take him offstage[xx(]
We should vote for Hillary because we know where she stands and can count on her.
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
You are correct.
We should vote for Hillary because we know where she stands and can count on her.
Or, one could back Cruz whose history demonstrates a consistent support of the Constitution. Your choice.
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While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
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A for comments he made 15 years ago, I hope he's changed his view. At least HC has been consistent with her views and we know what road she'll take on the 2A.
Personally, I'll vote for anyone who has a chance to defeat her.
Trump may have 'abused' eminent domain laws, but violate them? As long as he stayed within the law, my problem is with the laws, not him.
A for comments he made 15 years ago, I hope he's changed his view. At least HC has been consistent with her views and we know what road she'll take on the 2A.
Personally, I'll vote for anyone who has a chance to defeat her.
Since every poll imaginable indicates Trump loses to Hillary in the general, can I assume then that Cruz, who every poll imaginable pegs as beating Hillary in a general, is getting your vote?
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Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
We already fought one war over States rights versus the Fed's.
Slander and Liable are not protected by the First Amendment. But let's assume he is and idiot and wants to sue people who state facts against him on that one.
However the Constitution grants the Federal government the responsibility to defend the 2nd.
And as for national carry it would be an enforcement of the 2nd Amendment not a "States rights be damned issue".
How can a State tell a PEOPLE they can't carry their constitutionally guaranteed right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS? (The right of the people to keep and bear arms says nothing about crossing from one state into another)
If you want to poke Trump in the eye let's not quarry over States rights to interpret the 2nd.
Next it would be something like Slavery as a state's right?
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Trump has said that as president he would sue Newspapers that write negatively about him... 1st amendment be damned.
http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/02/trump-just-issued-massive-threat-to-news-media/
Trump has said he supports a national concealed carry permit, states rights and the 10th Amendment be damned. He also compares it to a diver's license, which as he correctly notes is a privilege, not a right, the 2nd Amendment be damned.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/18/trump-backs-2nd-amendment-national-concealed-carry/
And regarding the 2nd Amendment in particular a mere 16 years ago Trump was all too willing to ban assault weapons and was all for increased waiting periods for folks to obtain firearms. Are we to believe him then, when he was willing to put it IN WRITING or now, when he's campaigning and seeking elected office?
quote:I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today's Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000
Trump has long supported and abused eminent domain laws, the 4th, 5th and 14th amendments be damned.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/08/19/donald-trumps-abuse-of-eminent-domain/
Keeping these things in mind, do folks really think a president Trump would be the constitutional advocate and protector they need at the highest level? Will they feel secure in their persons and property from government overreach? Do they think their rights will be secure? Do they think that their freedoms will increase at all under Trump? Or do they even place any importance upon freedoms and rights at all? Does what Trump has done in the past play any part in how believable he is now? Questions.
We ALL know Trump would trounce Hillary the reason the LIBERAL media is saying Cruz can beat her is because he can't and WE ALL KNOW the liberal media wants Hillary right?
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by hunter86004
Trump may have 'abused' eminent domain laws, but violate them? As long as he stayed within the law, my problem is with the laws, not him.
A for comments he made 15 years ago, I hope he's changed his view. At least HC has been consistent with her views and we know what road she'll take on the 2A.
Personally, I'll vote for anyone who has a chance to defeat her.
Since every poll imaginable indicates Trump loses to Hillary in the general, can I assume then that Cruz, who every poll imaginable pegs as beating Hillary in a general, is getting your vote?
quote:Originally posted by hunter86004
Trump may have 'abused' eminent domain laws, but violate them? As long as he stayed within the law, my problem is with the laws, not him.
A for comments he made 15 years ago, I hope he's changed his view. At least HC has been consistent with her views and we know what road she'll take on the 2A.
Personally, I'll vote for anyone who has a chance to defeat her.
Since every poll imaginable indicates Trump loses to Hillary in the general, can I assume then that Cruz, who every poll imaginable pegs as beating Hillary in a general, is getting your vote?
You are so desperate to degrade Trump you would use his stance on National Carry against him?
We already fought one war over States rights versus the Fed's.
Slander and Liable are not protected by the First Amendment. But let's assume he is and idiot and wants to sue people who state facts against him on that one.
However the Constitution grants the Federal government the responsibility to defend the 2nd.
And as for national carry it would be an enforcement of the 2nd Amendment not a "States rights be damned issue".
How can a State tell a PEOPLE they can't carry their constitutionally guaranteed right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS? (The right of the people to keep and bear arms says nothing about crossing from one state into another)
If you want to poke Trump in the eye let's not quarry over States rights to interpret the 2nd.
Next it would be something like Slavery as a state's right?
If you think for one second that Trump supporting a national "carry PERMIT" is anything close to constitutional, you're a bigger crackhead than I thought.
My point that you lack understanding is don't we all want to be able to carry our firearms when we go out so that if we need them we have them?
I suppose if Cruz comes out for a National Carry right you will change your tune?
Nut case
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
quote:Originally posted by Scottymac
You are so desperate to degrade Trump you would use his stance on National Carry against him?
We already fought one war over States rights versus the Fed's.
Slander and Liable are not protected by the First Amendment. But let's assume he is and idiot and wants to sue people who state facts against him on that one.
However the Constitution grants the Federal government the responsibility to defend the 2nd.
And as for national carry it would be an enforcement of the 2nd Amendment not a "States rights be damned issue".
How can a State tell a PEOPLE they can't carry their constitutionally guaranteed right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS? (The right of the people to keep and bear arms says nothing about crossing from one state into another)
If you want to poke Trump in the eye let's not quarry over States rights to interpret the 2nd.
Next it would be something like Slavery as a state's right?
If you think for one second that Trump supporting a national "carry PERMIT" is anything close to constitutional, you're a bigger crackhead than I thought.
The next President will choose 2-4 Supreme Court Justices. Every voter should think about that. If we get more leftist/Socialists on the Court, it will either be the end of America as a free nation, or the beginning of the Second American Revolution (as the first thing the leftist Court will do is invalidate the Second Amendment.)
With Trump we'll be taking a HUGE gamble on what he says he's for now (and who he picks for the Court,) as opposed to what his recent political history and thinking has been.
With Cruz, his history is that of Ronald Reagan's. 100% Conservative. We won't have to worry about his Court picks or losing the 2A.
Do we take a HUGE gamble, or go with the sure thing?
Also, polls have shown that the only national politician more unfavorable than Hilly is - Donald Trump. It's estimated that he would lose to her by 6-8 points. Cruz would beat her by 1-2 points, according to the same polls.
Socialist or Conservative Republican? The choice is ours to make.
When Trump is "FALSELY" accused and has been damaged then why shouldn't he be able to sue?
Maybe after a few folks LOST in court, we all would be better off.
I'm not anti Cruz and if he was doing better I would be cheering for him, but he is not doing as well as hoped and Trump is winning.
I am scared to death of Hillary becoming President, scared to bleening death!!
If it means voting for Trumo to keep Hillary out then I look forward to hearing President Trump on tv!!!!
But I just gotta know, the Trump haters whatcha gonna do if he gets the nomination?
Are you going to not vote in selfish protest?
Are you going to vote for someone who cannot win, again in selfish protest?
Are you going to vote for Hillary?
The selfishness got us 8 years of oblammer, I am afraid that the selfishness will get us 8 years of hitlary.
Cruz or Trump, either way I'm hoping on that NOT HILLARY band wagon and voting republican in hopes that we get a republican president.
quote:Originally posted by Scottymac
You are so desperate to degrade Trump you would use his stance on National Carry against him?
We already fought one war over States rights versus the Fed's.
Slander and Liable are not protected by the First Amendment. But let's assume he is and idiot and wants to sue people who state facts against him on that one.
However the Constitution grants the Federal government the responsibility to defend the 2nd.
And as for national carry it would be an enforcement of the 2nd Amendment not a "States rights be damned issue".
How can a State tell a PEOPLE they can't carry their constitutionally guaranteed right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS? (The right of the people to keep and bear arms says nothing about crossing from one state into another)
If you want to poke Trump in the eye let's not quarry over States rights to interpret the 2nd.
Next it would be something like Slavery as a state's right?
If you think for one second that Trump supporting a national "carry PERMIT" is anything close to constitutional, you're a bigger crackhead than I thought.
HPD, there simply is nothing constitutional about it, unless it means there is NO permit required as in a state such as Vermont, but I seriously doubt that is in view.
Furthermore, which standards are going to be adopted to ALLOW a person to obtain, or worse KEEP their federal permission slip to carry a gun? Federally sanctioned shooting tests? And I'm sure the criminals are going to line up to take and pass them, right?
Frankly, the violation of Amendment 10 is the easiest one to overlook, since state's rights have been eroding since the War of Northern Aggression. But it clearly is a violation of state's rights to force them to do something like what is being advocated by Trump.
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Some will fall in love with life
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It is a State's Rights issue. Not a Gun Rights issue.
It is pretty plain to see, if you look at it in a Constitutional manner.
HPD, there simply is nothing constitutional about it, unless it means there is NO permit required as in a state such as Vermont, but I seriously doubt that is in view.
Furthermore, which standards are going to be adopted to ALLOW a person to obtain, or worse KEEP their federal permission slip to carry a gun? Federally sanctioned shooting tests? And I'm sure the criminals are going to line up to take and pass them, right?
Frankly, the violation of Amendment 10 is the easiest one to overlook, since state's rights have been eroding since the War of Northern Aggression. But it clearly is a violation of state's rights to force them to do something like what is being advocated by Trump.
Exactly, hence my reason for the capitalization of "permit". Allowing the government to grant you a privilege to excerise a God given right is in direct contradiction to the constitution. People who allow that are the problem. The right to keep and bear arms, is just that.
I like Trump because of his personality, I like the attitude. His policies and ideas may not be the best but what are we going to do?
I'm not anti Cruz and if he was doing better I would be cheering for him, but he is not doing as well as hoped and Trump is winning.
I am scared to death of Hillary becoming President, scared to bleening death!!
If it means voting for Trumo to keep Hillary out then I look forward to hearing President Trump on tv!!!!
But I just gotta know, the Trump haters whatcha gonna do if he gets the nomination?
Are you going to not vote in selfish protest?
Are you going to vote for someone who cannot win, again in selfish protest?
Are you going to vote for Hillary?
The selfishness got us 8 years of oblammer, I am afraid that the selfishness will get us 8 years of hitlary.
Cruz or Trump, either way I'm hoping on that NOT HILLARY band wagon and voting republican in hopes that we get a republican president.
Sounds like you might be up to my math test: http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=671061
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Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I like Trump because of his personality, I like the attitude. His policies and ideas may not be the best but what are we going to do?
I'm not anti Cruz and if he was doing better I would be cheering for him, but he is not doing as well as hoped and Trump is winning.
I am scared to death of Hillary becoming President, scared to bleening death!!
If it means voting for Trumo to keep Hillary out then I look forward to hearing President Trump on tv!!!!
But I just gotta know, the Trump haters whatcha gonna do if he gets the nomination?
Are you going to not vote in selfish protest?
Are you going to vote for someone who cannot win, again in selfish protest?
Are you going to vote for Hillary?
The selfishness got us 8 years of oblammer, I am afraid that the selfishness will get us 8 years of hitlary.
Cruz or Trump, either way I'm hoping on that NOT HILLARY band wagon and voting republican in hopes that we get a republican president.
Your questions could just as easily be asked of Trump supporters.
As I stated on another thread (and got 1 reply,) I and other Cruz supporters have said that if Trump is nominated (not a given,) we will vote for him over Hilly in November (if less enthusiastically than with Cruz.) I also asked, "If Cruz fairly and squarely beats Trump for the nomination, will Trump supporters vote for Cruz in the General, or will they stay home on general election day, grumbling about "The fix being in?"
It sounds like you will vote for either GOP contender over Hilly, as will I and every other Cruz supporter, but I wonder if many of the Trump supporters feel the same way. I hope to God so.
BTW, I am watching Fox this minute and Cruz just warned that there will be a revolt by the people if the GOP denies the leading candidate the GOP nomination - whoever that candidate is. Does that sound like he's a "fixer?"
I like Trump because of his personality, I like the attitude. His policies and ideas may not be the best but what are we going to do?
I'm not anti Cruz and if he was doing better I would be cheering for him, but he is not doing as well as hoped and Trump is winning.
I am scared to death of Hillary becoming President, scared to bleening death!!
If it means voting for Trumo to keep Hillary out then I look forward to hearing President Trump on tv!!!!
But I just gotta know, the Trump haters whatcha gonna do if he gets the nomination?
Are you going to not vote in selfish protest?
Are you going to vote for someone who cannot win, again in selfish protest?
Are you going to vote for Hillary?
The selfishness got us 8 years of oblammer, I am afraid that the selfishness will get us 8 years of hitlary.
Cruz or Trump, either way I'm hoping on that NOT HILLARY band wagon and voting republican in hopes that we get a republican president.
The Democrats HAVE to be whipped. A 3rd party candidate is not going to do it.
The Democrats HAVE to be whipped. A 3rd party candidate is not going to do it.
My greatest fear is that if Trump loses the nomination he will run as a third party candidate, even though he swore he wouldn't.
quote:
The Democrats HAVE to be whipped. A 3rd party candidate is not going to do it.
My greatest fear is that if Trump loses the nomination he will run as a third party candidate, even though he swore he wouldn't.
His reluctance to "raise his hand" during the first debate should put a big question mark as to whether he runs third party.
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While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
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Hillary - 0
Trump - -1
3rd party - 1
Now add in my vote
Hillary - 0
Trump - 0
3rd party - 1
Let's look at it this way,
say 140,000,000 people vote this year. What if this is the results,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 53,000,000
3rd party - 24,000,000
Hillary wins! Now if the protestors, 12 million of them wanted Cruz but protested, give Trump thier votes,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 65,000,000
3rd party - 12,000,000
Trump wins!
See how voting 3rd party can and will get hillary elected? Remember Perot?
Mr P I saw your math question but I wonder how someone of your education and status could easliy miss the obvious.
Hillary - 0
Trump - -1
3rd party - 1
Now add in my vote
Hillary - 0
Trump - 0
3rd party - 1
Let's look at it this way,
say 140,000,000 people vote this year. What if this is the results,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 53,000,000
3rd party - 24,000,000
Hillary wins! Now if the protestors, 12 million of them wanted Cruz but protested, give Trump thier votes,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 65,000,000
3rd party - 12,000,000
Trump wins!
See how voting 3rd party can and will get hillary elected? Remember Perot?
There is nothing obvious about your numbers at all. My challenge, which patently you missed, is to demonstrate how my vote, if cast for a third party is a vote for Hillary. You have not done so, not in the slightest.
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Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
Mr P I saw your math question but I wonder how someone of your education and status could easliy miss the obvious.
Hillary - 0
Trump - -1
3rd party - 1
Now add in my vote
Hillary - 0
Trump - 0
3rd party - 1
Let's look at it this way,
say 140,000,000 people vote this year. What if this is the results,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 53,000,000
3rd party - 24,000,000
Hillary wins! Now if the protestors, 12 million of them wanted Cruz but protested, give Trump thier votes,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 65,000,000
3rd party - 12,000,000
Trump wins!
See how voting 3rd party can and will get hillary elected? Remember Perot?
There is nothing obvious about your numbers at all. My challenge, which patently you missed, is to demonstrate how my vote, if cast for a third party is a vote for Hillary. You have not done so, not in the slightest.
Taking away from the Republican (Trump) is a vote for hillary. Simple, obvious and if an uneducated toothless fat foul mouthed knuckledragging mouthbreathing inbred truck driver like me can figure it out..............
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
Mr P I saw your math question but I wonder how someone of your education and status could easliy miss the obvious.
Hillary - 0
Trump - -1
3rd party - 1
Now add in my vote
Hillary - 0
Trump - 0
3rd party - 1
Let's look at it this way,
say 140,000,000 people vote this year. What if this is the results,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 53,000,000
3rd party - 24,000,000
Hillary wins! Now if the protestors, 12 million of them wanted Cruz but protested, give Trump thier votes,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 65,000,000
3rd party - 12,000,000
Trump wins!
See how voting 3rd party can and will get hillary elected? Remember Perot?
There is nothing obvious about your numbers at all. My challenge, which patently you missed, is to demonstrate how my vote, if cast for a third party is a vote for Hillary. You have not done so, not in the slightest.
Taking away from the Republican (Trump) is a vote for hillary. Simple, obvious and if an uneducated toothless fat foul mouthed knuckledragging mouthbreathing inbred truck driver like me can figure it out..............
And just what guarantee do you have that it is pulling solely from a Trump vote. That is but one mistake you are making.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
Mr P I saw your math question but I wonder how someone of your education and status could easliy miss the obvious.
Hillary - 0
Trump - -1
3rd party - 1
Now add in my vote
Hillary - 0
Trump - 0
3rd party - 1
Let's look at it this way,
say 140,000,000 people vote this year. What if this is the results,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 53,000,000
3rd party - 24,000,000
Hillary wins! Now if the protestors, 12 million of them wanted Cruz but protested, give Trump thier votes,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 65,000,000
3rd party - 12,000,000
Trump wins!
See how voting 3rd party can and will get hillary elected? Remember Perot?
There is nothing obvious about your numbers at all. My challenge, which patently you missed, is to demonstrate how my vote, if cast for a third party is a vote for Hillary. You have not done so, not in the slightest.
Taking away from the Republican (Trump) is a vote for hillary. Simple, obvious and if an uneducated toothless fat foul mouthed knuckledragging mouthbreathing inbred truck driver like me can figure it out..............
And just what guarantee do you have that it is pulling solely from a Trump vote. That is but one mistake you are making.
Because many of you have already stated that if you don't get Cruz you are going 3rd party or not voting at all.
What I see is the only winnable choice against hillary is a republican vote, take away enough republican votes and either throw them away or vote 3rd party and it seals it for hillary.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
Mr P I saw your math question but I wonder how someone of your education and status could easliy miss the obvious.
Hillary - 0
Trump - -1
3rd party - 1
Now add in my vote
Hillary - 0
Trump - 0
3rd party - 1
Let's look at it this way,
say 140,000,000 people vote this year. What if this is the results,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 53,000,000
3rd party - 24,000,000
Hillary wins! Now if the protestors, 12 million of them wanted Cruz but protested, give Trump thier votes,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 65,000,000
3rd party - 12,000,000
Trump wins!
See how voting 3rd party can and will get hillary elected? Remember Perot?
There is nothing obvious about your numbers at all. My challenge, which patently you missed, is to demonstrate how my vote, if cast for a third party is a vote for Hillary. You have not done so, not in the slightest.
Taking away from the Republican (Trump) is a vote for hillary. Simple, obvious and if an uneducated toothless fat foul mouthed knuckledragging mouthbreathing inbred truck driver like me can figure it out..............
And just what guarantee do you have that it is pulling solely from a Trump vote. That is but one mistake you are making.
Because many of you have already stated that if you don't get Cruz you are going 3rd party or not voting at all.
What I see is the only winnable choice against hillary is a republican vote, take away enough republican votes and either throw them away or vote 3rd party and it seals it for hillary.
It's not that you missed the point it's the wide berth by which you missed it. Again, please demonstrate how, if I cast my vote for a 3rd party candidate, that it is a vote cast FOR Hillary.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 65,000,000
3rd party - 12,000,000
Trump wins!
See how voting 3rd party can and will get hillary elected? Remember Perot?
I wondered when someone was going to point this out. Doubt third part votes will go 50/50. Might also add: the topic ORIGINALLY was about folks saying they WOULD NOT VOTE, on this board they would be "REPUBLICANS"
quote:Hillary wins! Now if the protestors, 12 million of them wanted Cruz but protested, give Trump thier votes,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 65,000,000
3rd party - 12,000,000
Trump wins!
See how voting 3rd party can and will get hillary elected? Remember Perot?
I wondered when someone was going to point this out. Doubt third part votes will go 50/50. Might also add: the topic ORIGINALLY was about folks saying they WOULD NOT VOTE, on this board they would be "REPUBLICANS"
Oh, I see so we can just use whatever imaginary numbers we want and a point is made? Those are the rules now? Ok. Well, here have at it:
Vote tallies:
Hillary -- 100.5
Trump ---3.14159
3rd Party 5,000,000,000
Draw your own conclusions.
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While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
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quote:
The Democrats HAVE to be whipped. A 3rd party candidate is not going to do it.
My greatest fear is that if Trump loses the nomination he will run as a third party candidate, even though he swore he wouldn't.
And how much support has he gotten from the "good old * Republican party? Zilch!
The "establishment" wants us to elect their choice, not ours.
Is everyone too blind to see it?
quote:Hillary wins! Now if the protestors, 12 million of them wanted Cruz but protested, give Trump thier votes,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 65,000,000
3rd party - 12,000,000
Trump wins!
See how voting 3rd party can and will get hillary elected? Remember Perot?
I wondered when someone was going to point this out. Doubt third part votes will go 50/50. Might also add: the topic ORIGINALLY was about folks saying they WOULD NOT VOTE, on this board they would be "REPUBLICANS"
It is so simple to see right?
Those numbers are purely hypothetical and were used only for demonstration purposes.
3rd party has no chance, it is a wet erotic dream to think otherwise. Untill the nation makes the move 3rd party voting in a presidential election is a protest vote.
If the republicans do not like thier nominee they protest vote, taking away from the republican party. Taking away enough votes causes the republican party to lose.
If you vote 3rd party or do not vote at all you are helping the dems win. A more simple way to put it is take all the votes, democrat and republican voters vote for thier candidate. At the end of the day the biggest turnout wins. Now since the biggest protest voters are or were registered republicans who causes the most damage by protesting? Republicans.
Remeber Perot? All the dreamers pretty much made sure Clinton won. Now if it had a 2 party election the outcome may have been much much different.
Untill you see a 3rd party candidate come out and win over the masses it aint gonna happen, dream all you want IT AINT HAPPENIN!
I hope you like 8 more years of democrat control. If you vote 3rd party or refuse to vote you help the democrat.
Oh, I see so we can just use whatever imaginary numbers we want and a point is made? Those are the rules now? Ok. Well, here have at it:
Vote tallies:
Hillary -- 100.5
Trump ---3.14159
3rd Party 5,000,000,000
Draw your own conclusions.
My conclusion is: Hillary in NO WAY has a temperature that high no more that 96.2 and that's a hot day.
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Hillary wins! Now if the protestors, 12 million of them wanted Cruz but protested, give Trump thier votes,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 65,000,000
3rd party - 12,000,000
Trump wins!
See how voting 3rd party can and will get hillary elected? Remember Perot?
I wondered when someone was going to point this out. Doubt third part votes will go 50/50. Might also add: the topic ORIGINALLY was about folks saying they WOULD NOT VOTE, on this board they would be "REPUBLICANS"
It is so simple to see right?
Those numbers are purely hypothetical and were used only for demonstration purposes.
3rd party has no chance, it is a wet erotic dream to think otherwise. Untill the nation makes the move 3rd party voting in a presidential election is a protest vote.
If the republicans do not like thier nominee they protest vote, taking away from the republican party. Taking away enough votes causes the republican party to lose.
If you vote 3rd party or do not vote at all you are helping the dems win. A more simple way to put it is take all the votes, democrat and republican voters vote for thier candidate. At the end of the day the biggest turnout wins. Now since the biggest protest voters are or were registered republicans who causes the most damage by protesting? Republicans.
Remeber Perot? All the dreamers pretty much made sure Clinton won. Now if it had a 2 party election the outcome may have been much much different.
Untill you see a 3rd party candidate come out and win over the masses it aint gonna happen, dream all you want IT AINT HAPPENIN!
I hope you like 8 more years of democrat control. If you vote 3rd party or refuse to vote you help the democrat.
Please share for us all the research you have done to show that third party votes only come from the GOP. Thanks in advance.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Hillary wins! Now if the protestors, 12 million of them wanted Cruz but protested, give Trump thier votes,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 65,000,000
3rd party - 12,000,000
Trump wins!
See how voting 3rd party can and will get hillary elected? Remember Perot?
I wondered when someone was going to point this out. Doubt third part votes will go 50/50. Might also add: the topic ORIGINALLY was about folks saying they WOULD NOT VOTE, on this board they would be "REPUBLICANS"
It is so simple to see right?
Those numbers are purely hypothetical and were used only for demonstration purposes.
3rd party has no chance, it is a wet erotic dream to think otherwise. Untill the nation makes the move 3rd party voting in a presidential election is a protest vote.
If the republicans do not like thier nominee they protest vote, taking away from the republican party. Taking away enough votes causes the republican party to lose.
If you vote 3rd party or do not vote at all you are helping the dems win. A more simple way to put it is take all the votes, democrat and republican voters vote for thier candidate. At the end of the day the biggest turnout wins. Now since the biggest protest voters are or were registered republicans who causes the most damage by protesting? Republicans.
Remeber Perot? All the dreamers pretty much made sure Clinton won. Now if it had a 2 party election the outcome may have been much much different.
Untill you see a 3rd party candidate come out and win over the masses it aint gonna happen, dream all you want IT AINT HAPPENIN!
I hope you like 8 more years of democrat control. If you vote 3rd party or refuse to vote you help the democrat.
Please share for us all the research you have done to show that third party votes only come from the GOP. Thanks in advance.
Tell me how I said ONLY?
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Hillary wins! Now if the protestors, 12 million of them wanted Cruz but protested, give Trump thier votes,
Hillary - 63,000,000
Trump - 65,000,000
3rd party - 12,000,000
Trump wins!
See how voting 3rd party can and will get hillary elected? Remember Perot?
I wondered when someone was going to point this out. Doubt third part votes will go 50/50. Might also add: the topic ORIGINALLY was about folks saying they WOULD NOT VOTE, on this board they would be "REPUBLICANS"
It is so simple to see right?
Those numbers are purely hypothetical and were used only for demonstration purposes.
3rd party has no chance, it is a wet erotic dream to think otherwise. Untill the nation makes the move 3rd party voting in a presidential election is a protest vote.
If the republicans do not like thier nominee they protest vote, taking away from the republican party. Taking away enough votes causes the republican party to lose.
If you vote 3rd party or do not vote at all you are helping the dems win. A more simple way to put it is take all the votes, democrat and republican voters vote for thier candidate. At the end of the day the biggest turnout wins. Now since the biggest protest voters are or were registered republicans who causes the most damage by protesting? Republicans.
Remeber Perot? All the dreamers pretty much made sure Clinton won. Now if it had a 2 party election the outcome may have been much much different.
Untill you see a 3rd party candidate come out and win over the masses it aint gonna happen, dream all you want IT AINT HAPPENIN!
I hope you like 8 more years of democrat control. If you vote 3rd party or refuse to vote you help the democrat.
Please share for us all the research you have done to show that third party votes only come from the GOP. Thanks in advance.
Tell me how I said ONLY?
Only... primarily... hell even one voter over half.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Trump = pi? That's circular logic if I ever saw any.
That was meant to represent the circle jerk that Trump supporters engage in.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain