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quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
Third party vote is a democratic vote plain and simple. Again, were you perfect you would know this already.
It's neither plain, nor simple how that happens. Use numbers... show me.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
Third party vote is a democratic vote plain and simple. Again, were you perfect you would know this already.
It's neither plain, nor simple how that happens. Use numbers... show me.
Really, you are going off on this a little to much for a Mr Perfect guy. You just trolling? or what..It is obvious that any other vote this year is just that, a vote for Hades. So, go ahead, and do it. It's your vote and my country that I don't want to see further destroyed .
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
I don't see the point in hand wringing about this. Trump has had an antigun stance when he didn't have anything on the line about it. Now that he's trying to appeal to conservative members of the Republican party he's all the sudden seen the light? Yeah, and pigs are gonna fly outta his butt.
But of course, as per usual with the GB sheep, let's wholly overlook the presently running candidate that has always supported Amendment 2, and even actually fought to defend it, proving FROM HIS LONG TRACK RECORD that he actually supports Amendment 2 as written, in favor of some political flip flopper. That fits right in with my expectations for the majority crowd here.[xx(][xx(]
I voted for him in 2012 and will vote for him again in 2016. Of course it doesn't matter, because I'm in CA .....
Barry and Hillary are all chummy with each other cuting up at whatever dinner the clown-in-chump had,,,so yea, that's about all you need to know about the Swill. Birds of a feather,,stick together like dog dung on my shoe.
I do not trust The Donald. he has a L-O-N-G track record of changing stances to suit his own gain. He says what folks want to hear and when truly confronted his reactions are swift and childish. These are not traits I think would serve us well.
If Trump is the (R) nominee I will vote for the Conservative party available to me in the Ohio ballot, Constitution party or otherwise.
quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
Third party vote is a democratic vote plain and simple. Again, were you perfect you would know this already.
It's neither plain, nor simple how that happens. Use numbers... show me.
Really, you are going off on this a little to much for a Mr Perfect guy. You just trolling? or what..It is obvious that any other vote this year is just that, a vote for Hades. So, go ahead, and do it. It's your vote and my country that I don't want to see further destroyed .
Huh? Honestly, your post makes no sense whatsoever. How am I trolling? Can you explain, with numbers, how voting works any other way than how I posted it? If so, post it up.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by bpost
I do not trust The Donald. he has a L-O-N-G track record of changing stances to suit his own gain. He says what folks want to hear and when truly confronted his reactions are swift and childish. These are not traits I think would serve us well.
If Trump is the (R) nominee I will vote for the Conservative party available to me in the Ohio ballot, Constitution party or otherwise.
a vote for anyone other than Trump will be the same thing as a vote for hilary in the long run since the others stand no chance at all.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Trump keeps bragging how he has been supported by non Republicans like it is a good thing. What it has done, is corrupt the process by giving a result that does not necessarily reflect the will of the party. Wether one agrees with it or not, a majority support of non-republicans in a Republican primary car and perhaps should be ignored, particularly if the candidate does not support the traditional party platform.
I find it difficult to believe this is the position you would be taking if Ron Paul was the presumptive nominee.
And if it really is your position, why bother to have a primary at all? We could have save ourselves lots of trouble just by naming Jeb! the nominee right off the bat and rallying around him.
If I believed the presumptive nominee would respect the Constitution and believed in a Constitutionally limited Federal Government, it would be a different story, and I would probably support him, regardless of who he was.
This is not the case today. The people voted for candidates who advocated extra-constitutional positions in every election cycle in recent memory, and we are then stuck with them when the actual voting takes place in November. There is nothing legally binding about a primary election vote, and a party should retain the power to select who is to be their standard bearer, particularly when many of the votes and being placed by people that have never been and are not even now members of the party.
The primaries, as it seems many people are just figuring out, are where the party selects who it wants to represent it in the general. Primary votes do not matter in that sense, and suggesting they should ignores the very reason for the existance of a party and a party platform. Insisting that primary votes be legally binding sets up a scenario whereby 20% of the voting public can dictate who is going to voted upon for President.
One needs to ask if an uninformed 20% is really that much better than the party bosses of old. They might be, but given the last few cycles, there is room for doubt.
I don't intend to put words into your mouth, but it appears that your postion can be summed up thusly: The parties can and should have the ability to reject an insurgent candidate...unless the insurgent candidate is someone that you support.
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Third party vote is a democratic vote plain and simple. Again, were you perfect you would know this already.
It's neither plain, nor simple how that happens. Use numbers... show me.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
Third party vote is a democratic vote plain and simple. Again, were you perfect you would know this already.
It's neither plain, nor simple how that happens. Use numbers... show me.
Really, you are going off on this a little to much for a Mr Perfect guy. You just trolling? or what..It is obvious that any other vote this year is just that, a vote for Hades. So, go ahead, and do it. It's your vote and my country that I don't want to see further destroyed .
I don't see the point in hand wringing about this. Trump has had an antigun stance when he didn't have anything on the line about it. Now that he's trying to appeal to conservative members of the Republican party he's all the sudden seen the light? Yeah, and pigs are gonna fly outta his butt.
But of course, as per usual with the GB sheep, let's wholly overlook the presently running candidate that has always supported Amendment 2, and even actually fought to defend it, proving FROM HIS LONG TRACK RECORD that he actually supports Amendment 2 as written, in favor of some political flip flopper. That fits right in with my expectations for the majority crowd here.[xx(][xx(]
I voted for him in 2012 and will vote for him again in 2016. Of course it doesn't matter, because I'm in CA .....
If Trump is the (R) nominee I will vote for the Conservative party available to me in the Ohio ballot, Constitution party or otherwise.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
Third party vote is a democratic vote plain and simple. Again, were you perfect you would know this already.
It's neither plain, nor simple how that happens. Use numbers... show me.
Really, you are going off on this a little to much for a Mr Perfect guy. You just trolling? or what..It is obvious that any other vote this year is just that, a vote for Hades. So, go ahead, and do it. It's your vote and my country that I don't want to see further destroyed .
Huh? Honestly, your post makes no sense whatsoever. How am I trolling? Can you explain, with numbers, how voting works any other way than how I posted it? If so, post it up.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
A vote for anyone else is for your right[8]
You can lead a horse to water but the South bound end will always be attached.
What if you're leading it east?
Brad Steele
I do not trust The Donald. he has a L-O-N-G track record of changing stances to suit his own gain. He says what folks want to hear and when truly confronted his reactions are swift and childish. These are not traits I think would serve us well.
If Trump is the (R) nominee I will vote for the Conservative party available to me in the Ohio ballot, Constitution party or otherwise.
a vote for anyone other than Trump will be the same thing as a vote for hilary in the long run since the others stand no chance at all.
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Trump keeps bragging how he has been supported by non Republicans like it is a good thing. What it has done, is corrupt the process by giving a result that does not necessarily reflect the will of the party. Wether one agrees with it or not, a majority support of non-republicans in a Republican primary car and perhaps should be ignored, particularly if the candidate does not support the traditional party platform.
I find it difficult to believe this is the position you would be taking if Ron Paul was the presumptive nominee.
And if it really is your position, why bother to have a primary at all? We could have save ourselves lots of trouble just by naming Jeb! the nominee right off the bat and rallying around him.
If I believed the presumptive nominee would respect the Constitution and believed in a Constitutionally limited Federal Government, it would be a different story, and I would probably support him, regardless of who he was.
This is not the case today. The people voted for candidates who advocated extra-constitutional positions in every election cycle in recent memory, and we are then stuck with them when the actual voting takes place in November. There is nothing legally binding about a primary election vote, and a party should retain the power to select who is to be their standard bearer, particularly when many of the votes and being placed by people that have never been and are not even now members of the party.
The primaries, as it seems many people are just figuring out, are where the party selects who it wants to represent it in the general. Primary votes do not matter in that sense, and suggesting they should ignores the very reason for the existance of a party and a party platform. Insisting that primary votes be legally binding sets up a scenario whereby 20% of the voting public can dictate who is going to voted upon for President.
One needs to ask if an uninformed 20% is really that much better than the party bosses of old. They might be, but given the last few cycles, there is room for doubt.
I don't intend to put words into your mouth, but it appears that your postion can be summed up thusly: The parties can and should have the ability to reject an insurgent candidate...unless the insurgent candidate is someone that you support.
Or am I mistaken?