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  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,788 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    I don't think he missed the point at all !! The point is if Klinton wins our lives will change and worse yet, it will be so screwed up that if you are not willing to do something about it you will be googling where to migrate too, of course you'll love it if your a useful idiot socialist for a very little while anyway.
    I think you missed his missing the point. In a Presidential election the only goal is to win the election. Getting the MSM to turn honest is a pie in the sky pipedream. It ain't gonna happen, and especially won't happen in time to make a difference. Even if you have a good logical argument to add to an emotional subject it will be ignored. There is no good answer to the old "My son gave his life for you and your country. What have you sacrificed?" Any attempt to answer that will be shoved up your * and broken off. It doesn't matter if you're right. Trump wasn't right, by the way. Knowing when to hold your tongue is almost as important as knowing when to speak and what to say.


    There seems to be quite a lot of point missing going on. Winning is the goal, James, but this election will not be won by playing according to the usual rules. That is my point. We have to be on offense. Trump has to be on offense. Always.

    The D's trotted out Khan's family as a political stunt. They had the father repeat the lie that Trump has said to keep all Muslims out, rather than those from areas with Islamic Extremist issues, and even those only until better screening could be figured out. As far as I am concerned, that makes dear old dad fair game. What is more, there are huge numbers of people who think the same thing.

    This is always what the D's do: they trot out some supposedly sympathetic figure to parrot their crap, and if we respond...we are being mean and poopy. Think Gabby Giffords. Think the Thug Mothers of Dead Thugs. Remember when AIDS was the D's big schtick? Did they trot out a flaming foof from San Francisco who buggered anything that stood still? No. They would find someone who got a transfusion. Preferably an 8 yo cute little kid. Why? Emotional blackmail. Oppose the message and you must be 'attacking' the messenger.

    Much of Trump's appeal and support is due to his willingness to go on offense, and not be cowed by the usual BS. People are tired of politicians who act like Muslims, Mexicans, thugs, criminals, the useless, the homeless, and the childish matter more than the responsible, functional average citizens. They are pissed that if you declare yourself an interest group, you become somehow immune from challenge, let alone criticism.

    Send Trump a letter and convince him to behave like every politician out there, and you will guarantee one thing:

    Madame President
  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    That's the point I see too,Dads3040.If that Muslim hack for the DNC showed that much disdain for radical Islam instead of Trump,I might take him more seriously.
  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,788 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36936692

    Res ipsa loquitor
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,672 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
    There seems to be quite a lot of point missing going on. Winning is the goal, James, but this election will not be won by playing according to the usual rules. That is my point. We have to be on offense. Trump has to be on offense. Always.

    The D's trotted out Khan's family as a political stunt. They had the father repeat the lie that Trump has said to keep all Muslims out, rather than those from areas with Islamic Extremist issues, and even those only until better screening could be figured out. As far as I am concerned, that makes dear old dad fair game. What is more, there are huge numbers of people who think the same thing.

    This is always what the D's do: they trot out some supposedly sympathetic figure to parrot their crap, and if we respond...we are being mean and poopy. Think Gabby Giffords. Think the Thug Mothers of Dead Thugs. Remember when AIDS was the D's big schtick? Did they trot out a flaming foof from San Francisco who buggered anything that stood still? No. They would find someone who got a transfusion. Preferably an 8 yo cute little kid. Why? Emotional blackmail. Oppose the message and you must be 'attacking' the messenger.

    Much of Trump's appeal and support is due to his willingness to go on offense, and not be cowed by the usual BS. People are tired of politicians who act like Muslims, Mexicans, thugs, criminals, the useless, the homeless, and the childish matter more than the responsible, functional average citizens. They are pissed that if you declare yourself an interest group, you become somehow immune from challenge, let alone criticism.

    Send Trump a letter and convince him to behave like every politician out there, and you will guarantee one thing:

    Madame President
    Yep-Yep-Yep, the Democrats did every bit of that and Trump followed the whole scenario as if he were in on the rehearsal. Trump swallowed the bait hook line and sinker.

    When Trump comes off as a kick *, take no poop man in charge it helps him. I'll give you that. No argument there, but when he says things that make people hate him that is counterproductive. When he said his "worked very very hard" was an equivalent sacrifice to the Captain giving his life that was a looser. It cost him whether we want to admit it or not.

    When they trot out the cute little 8 year old or the parents of a KIA he has to recognize that it's a totally emotional argument and not the time to bring up logic, and he didn't even do that in this situation.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,788 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    You may think it makes people 'hate him'. I don't. That is a simplistic view, based on your reaction. It has little to nothing to do with what is actually happening. Look at the polling.

    You are hearing about Trump being mean to the muslims, because the media and the D's don't want to talk about the bounce in the polls Hillary got out of the DNC...because she didn't get one. Had she gotten the big ol' bounce the talking heads and Democrat Kneepad Brigade had been predicting for weeks, that would have been all over the Sunday shows. Instead? TRUMP IS A POOP...and pay no attention to the non-existent bump.

    Trump got a 4-5% bump after the RNC. Hillary got 1-2%, and that is with pollsters trying everything they can to tweak the numbers. Again James, you are looking at this through the lens of normal presidential campaign metrics. They won't work. For good or ill, this is going to be a populist election, fought on a political battlefield unlike anything seen since William Jennings Bryant.

    Do you really think that people are missing that a Muslim slaughtered 50 people in Florida a few weeks ago, Europe is exploding with Muslim butchery, a priest got his head whacked off by muslims...and the D's trotted out a 'grieving' Muslim family to attack Trump?

    Police officers were ambushed...and the D's bring out a group of thug mothers who likely couldn't pin down which neighborhood scum impregnated them with the now deceased thug...while showing such disrespect as to chant crap and nonsense...during a moment of silence for fallen officers.

    The media and D's are doing their best to divert attention from their anti-social, anti-American attitudes and membership. I see no reason I need to fall for the sleight of hand they are trying.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,672 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just about anything can and does change from election cycle to election cycle but one thing that doesn't change is human nature. Humans are a herd animal that function more on emotion than logic and even more so when at war with another herd (jihad). Trump has used that to his advantage for most of the campaign. I'd hate to see him blow it now.

    The Captain's father had the sympathy of the herd before he opened his mouth. Not just the Democrat herd, but also the Republicans and most importantly the 'Independents'. When I saw Trump make his comment I knew it was a setup and I still felt some sympathy for the Captain's father.

    I take some pride in being more logical than emotional, but I have the added handicap of being a pragmatist. I mostly see things as they are instead of how I wish them to be.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,788 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What you fail to grasp, James, is that elections are not won and lost based on what you see, think, feel, or imagine. Pragmatic and logical as you may be, you are just one person.

    The results will be based on the reactions and attitudes of millions of people. Given the results of recent polls, especially the one released a few days ago by Gravis concerning immigration, the people of the country are not very disposed to the positions of the democrats, and/or the establishment of either party.

    I follow polls very closely. Not just the results, but the methodology and framing of the questions. I don't think Trump is blowing it by any means. He is doing exactly what many Americans have been wanting for several election cycles: fighting for the people.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Trump doesn't need to sway Trump supporters, he needs to sway "independents" and his antics just distract from what was once an effective message. The more he allows himself to step into pointless controversy, the more he gets pulled off message. Which is exactly what the libs intend to happen. So from here on out, every time he says something remotely controversial the lib media will harp on it to get him off message. If he actually wants to win (which I am suspicious that he does actually want to be President) then he needs to stop attacking people that voters are going to view as "innocent" Americans. He needs to focus his comments on Clinton and her adherence to failing policies.
  • john carrjohn carr Member Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
    What you fail to grasp, James, is that elections are not won and lost based on what you see, think, feel, or imagine. Pragmatic and logical as you may be, you are just one person.

    The results will be based on the reactions and attitudes of millions of people. Given the results of recent polls, especially the one released a few days ago by Gravis concerning immigration, the people of the country are not very disposed to the positions of the democrats, and/or the establishment of either party.

    I follow polls very closely. Not just the results, but the methodology and framing of the questions. I don't think Trump is blowing it by any means. He is doing exactly what many Americans have been wanting for several election cycles: fighting for the people.


    What he said. I try to stay out of political arguments, but I'm astounded at the postings that denigrate Trump and by so doing swing votes for Hillary. Like the saying, "Chickens voting for Col. Sanders." The ones slandering Trump will be the first ones frothing at the mouth when you can no longer use magazines with more than five rounds. Punished by prison time. It's "anyone but Hillary time" and if you can't realize this, then its over, they've won.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by john carr
    quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
    What you fail to grasp, James, is that elections are not won and lost based on what you see, think, feel, or imagine. Pragmatic and logical as you may be, you are just one person.

    The results will be based on the reactions and attitudes of millions of people. Given the results of recent polls, especially the one released a few days ago by Gravis concerning immigration, the people of the country are not very disposed to the positions of the democrats, and/or the establishment of either party.

    I follow polls very closely. Not just the results, but the methodology and framing of the questions. I don't think Trump is blowing it by any means. He is doing exactly what many Americans have been wanting for several election cycles: fighting for the people.


    What he said. I try to stay out of political arguments, but I'm astounded at the postings that denigrate Trump and by so doing swing votes for Hillary. Like the saying, "Chickens voting for Col. Sanders." The ones slandering Trump will be the first ones frothing at the mouth when you can no longer use magazines with more than five rounds. Punished by prison time. It's "anyone but Hillary time" and if you can't realize this, then its over, they've won.


    So what you are saying is that Trump should be above any criticism? It is not slander if it is factually accurate. We should just step inline and STFU? It is that exact attitude that will drive potential voters away from Trump.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,205 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
    Utter naivete on the part of so many. It might help if people started asking why Trump is being asked these 'gotcha' questions, while Cankles is asked to 'tell us how wonderful she is'. Does one have to have had a child die in Iraq to express an opinion about Islamic Extremists? The connection is a silly one. The soldier who died fought for this country. That fact says nothing about the father's allegiance, or any other museum's.

    I have sent emails to the networks over the last week asking why they didn't show the BernBot walkout, the BLM chants during the moment of silence for fallen LE officers, the heckling of a MOH recipient. Have any of you complaining about Trump DONE anything? Or is your time pretty well eaten up with pointless hitching in online forums?

    Instead of analyzing Trump's response, get in the fight and demand the media act like responsible journalists, rather than fluff girls for the Dems.


    This wasn't a 'gotcha' question. It was an obvious question based upon Trump's statements regarding muslims. Any comment that could be taken as negative or disparaging about the family of a fallen serviceman are stupid. People can make up any rationale to justify or twist his statements, but the bottom line is that he needs to grow the hell up and control his mouth.

    There is a real story here that is being ignored, however. While muslims represent approximately 1% of the US population, they comprise just 0.25% of the U.S. Armed forces. A 4:1 underrepresentation says something very telling about how 'American' these people actually are.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 64,332 ******
    edited November -1
    Every time I try to convince myself that perhaps Trump is the candidate to vote for in this election, he goes out of his way to remind me that he isn't.

    He's making Johnson look pretty sane, right about now.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,788 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/

    I suppose you think you have discovered something important. I doubt it. Notice the numbers for the CBS & PPP polls are almost identical?

    Can you tell us why that is significant? They even put the answer right there on the page, so it is easy.
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mr.perfect.
    You don't need to justify your Hillery vote for us. Just go do it.
    Your just another chicken voting for Sanders.
  • wpageabcwpageabc Member Posts: 8,968
    edited November -1
    Trumps point was thousands of deaths and 7 trillion dollars later where are we. The DNC paraded the parents of this soldier killed 12 years ago to bait this respose.

    If you heard the Trumps message it was he would not allow it...
    "What is truth?'
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 64,332 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    Mr.perfect.
    You don't need to justify your Hillery vote for us. Just go do it.
    Your just another chicken voting for Sanders.
    Thank you for your contribution to the forum, captain clueless. Want a sticker or a lolipop?
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Trump said about the soldiers wife and I quote. " she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably ,Maybe she wasn't allowed to say anything you tell me."
    How can anybody say that is an outrageous statement?
    Secondly, He never compared his sacrifices to the loss of the mother or father of the Muslim soldier.
    He was asked by George Stephanopoulos, The former Clinton white house employee, what his sacrifices were for this country. and he answered.
    What the Hell was Hillery's sacrifices? Only a Democrat can stretch his answer into an insulting reply to that Muslim Mother and Father.
    Maybe some of you should go back and listen to his reply rather than just taking the Democrat version to the bank.
    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/trump-responds-to-father-of-fallen-muslim-soldier-735328323841
    As for what Trump has done for America,somebody has to produce something in this country or else there will be no money to pay for anything including the military. Trump is a great producer. No body else running for president has actually produced anything. If most people were given a million dollars by their father it wouldn't last more than three years. Trump made his money. Hillery stole most of hers.
  • CoolhandLukeCoolhandLuke Member Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I take everything said by liberals as spin lies and socialist propaganda for useful idiots.
    We have to fight so we can run away.
    Capt. Jack Sparrow.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Every time I try to convince myself that perhaps Trump is the candidate to vote for in this election, he goes out of his way to remind me that he isn't.



    LOL....get out of my head. It is the same for me, just about the time I resign myself to voting for him he does something else to reinforce that bad bad feeling I have about him.
  • asphalt cowboyasphalt cowboy Member Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/trump-responds-to-father-of-fallen-muslim-soldier-735328323841

    Heavily edited sound bites of an interview aren't something I'd base an opinion on.

    Fast forward to 14:40

    While he may have chosen his words more carefully,I don't see anything there where he compares himself to the father of a fallen soldier.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 64,332 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    Trump said about the soldiers wife and I quote. " she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably ,Maybe she wasn't allowed to say anything you tell me."
    How can anybody say that is an outrageous statement?
    Secondly, He never compared his sacrifices to the loss of the mother or father of the Muslim soldier.
    He was asked by George Stephanopoulos, The former Clinton white house employee, what his sacrifices were for this country. and he answered.
    What the Hell was Hillery's sacrifices? Only a Democrat can stretch his answer into an insulting reply to that Muslim Mother and Father.
    Maybe some of you should go back and listen to his reply rather than just taking the Democrat version to the bank.
    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/trump-responds-to-father-of-fallen-muslim-soldier-735328323841
    As for what Trump has done for America,somebody has to produce something in this country or else there will be no money to pay for anything including the military. Trump is a great producer. No body else running for president has actually produced anything. If most people were given a million dollars by their father it wouldn't last more than three years. Trump made his money. Hillery stole most of hers.
    You and captain bb gun are pretty comical, if not pathetic. The accusation of "you have sacrificed nothing" came from the DNC speaker that lost his son in Iraq. In-the-tank-George Flopadopolis merely asked him about his sacrifices, as tools are wont to do. Trump's response was comical really. Any fool would know that the response was going to be compared to the sacrifice of losing your son for the country. Trump's answer made him look like a complete *. But, he's your boy... you must be proud.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,205 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    Trump said about the soldiers wife and I quote. " she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably ,Maybe she wasn't allowed to say anything you tell me."
    How can anybody say that is an outrageous statement?
    Secondly, He never compared his sacrifices to the loss of the mother or father of the Muslim soldier.
    He was asked by George Stephanopoulos, The former Clinton white house employee, what his sacrifices were for this country. and he answered.
    What the Hell was Hillery's sacrifices? Only a Democrat can stretch his answer into an insulting reply to that Muslim Mother and Father.
    Maybe some of you should go back and listen to his reply rather than just taking the Democrat version to the bank.
    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/trump-responds-to-father-of-fallen-muslim-soldier-735328323841
    As for what Trump has done for America,somebody has to produce something in this country or else there will be no money to pay for anything including the military. Trump is a great producer. No body else running for president has actually produced anything. If most people were given a million dollars by their father it wouldn't last more than three years. Trump made his money. Hillery stole most of hers.


    Selective hearing or just selective thinking?

    The father stated, in the context of him losing his son, that Trump has sacrificed nothing. Stephanopoulos asked him to respond to that statement. You heard his response.

    While I would agree that Clinton has sacrificed nothing, what does this have to do with Clinton?

    Are you suggesting that paying taxes is a sacrifice that can be spoken of in the context of the question?

    Trump will continue to dig himself and the GOP deeper and deeper into a hole unless you Trump apologists begin to hold him responsible for the statements he makes.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    Trump said about the soldiers wife and I quote. " she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably ,Maybe she wasn't allowed to say anything you tell me."
    How can anybody say that is an outrageous statement?
    Secondly, He never compared his sacrifices to the loss of the mother or father of the Muslim soldier.
    He was asked by George Stephanopoulos, The former Clinton white house employee, what his sacrifices were for this country. and he answered.
    What the Hell was Hillery's sacrifices? Only a Democrat can stretch his answer into an insulting reply to that Muslim Mother and Father.
    Maybe some of you should go back and listen to his reply rather than just taking the Democrat version to the bank.
    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/trump-responds-to-father-of-fallen-muslim-soldier-735328323841
    As for what Trump has done for America,somebody has to produce something in this country or else there will be no money to pay for anything including the military. Trump is a great producer. No body else running for president has actually produced anything. If most people were given a million dollars by their father it wouldn't last more than three years. Trump made his money. Hillery stole most of hers.
    You and captain bb gun are pretty comical, if not pathetic. The accusation of "you have sacrificed nothing" came from the DNC speaker that lost his son in Iraq. In-the-tank-George Flopadopolis merely asked him about his sacrifices, as tools are wont to do. Trump's response was comical really. Any fool would know that the response was going to be compared to the sacrifice of losing your son for the country. Trump's answer made him look like a complete *. But, he's your boy... you must be proud.

    You answers are a perfect example of a Democrat going into contortions in order to twist Trumps words into some sort of insult.
    Others may compare his work to the loss of this mans son but the fact remains that Trump did not compare his work to the loss of the son. You did. In essence you are blaming Trump for the assumptions of others. That is the big stretch.
    Please tell me, what does[" as tools are wont to do."] mean to sane people
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 64,332 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    Trump said about the soldiers wife and I quote. " she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably ,Maybe she wasn't allowed to say anything you tell me."
    How can anybody say that is an outrageous statement?
    Secondly, He never compared his sacrifices to the loss of the mother or father of the Muslim soldier.
    He was asked by George Stephanopoulos, The former Clinton white house employee, what his sacrifices were for this country. and he answered.
    What the Hell was Hillery's sacrifices? Only a Democrat can stretch his answer into an insulting reply to that Muslim Mother and Father.
    Maybe some of you should go back and listen to his reply rather than just taking the Democrat version to the bank.
    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/trump-responds-to-father-of-fallen-muslim-soldier-735328323841
    As for what Trump has done for America,somebody has to produce something in this country or else there will be no money to pay for anything including the military. Trump is a great producer. No body else running for president has actually produced anything. If most people were given a million dollars by their father it wouldn't last more than three years. Trump made his money. Hillery stole most of hers.
    You and captain bb gun are pretty comical, if not pathetic. The accusation of "you have sacrificed nothing" came from the DNC speaker that lost his son in Iraq. In-the-tank-George Flopadopolis merely asked him about his sacrifices, as tools are wont to do. Trump's response was comical really. Any fool would know that the response was going to be compared to the sacrifice of losing your son for the country. Trump's answer made him look like a complete *. But, he's your boy... you must be proud.

    You answers are a perfect example of a Democrat going into contortions in order to twist Trumps words into some sort of insult.
    Others may compare his work to the loss of this mans son but the fact remains that Trump did not compare his work to the loss of the son. You did. In essence you are blaming Trump for the assumptions of others. That is the big stretch.
    Please tell me, what does[" as tools are wont to do."] mean to sane people
    You might want to come back to the forums after you grow up some. The things I write are pretty simple to figure out, if one knows how to read. George Flopadopolis is a tool. A tool of the left. Not too unlike yourself, save for the label.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    Here's an opinion article from fox news that I think sums it up pretty well.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/08/01/open-letter-to-mr-khizr-khan.html
  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,925
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    When people said he was a classic narcissist, no one thought that a big deal.

    What that means is that he sees the world only in terms of how it is good for him, or not.

    He really does believe the stuff he says, and you can see for yourself how he thinks about those who resist him or what he wants.

    There are no redeeming characteristics to narcissism, and such personalities do not change.

    There are lots of people you do not want to give power to, and a narcissist is one of them.




    Highlighted in Red: = NOT TRUE.

    Humble narcissists' like Steve Jobs make best business leaders, study says

    In 1985, the man who would become one of the most successful entrepreneurs in human history hit rock bottom.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/27/why-steve-jobs-style-humble-narcissists-make-the-best-business-leaders/

    Want a leader or a limp-wristed, woosie, PC correct politician ?

    Please notice that being accused of being RACIST and NOT politically correct is another way you give people power over you,, like the "shut up and sit down" kind of power, or you're afraid to exercise your right to free speech.

    Reminds me of Patton: not popular but got the job done.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,904 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    Trump doesn't need to sway Trump supporters, he needs to sway "independents" and his antics just distract from what was once an effective message. The more he allows himself to step into pointless controversy, the more he gets pulled off message. Which is exactly what the libs intend to happen. So from here on out, every time he says something remotely controversial the lib media will harp on it to get him off message. If he actually wants to win (which I am suspicious that he does actually want to be President) then he needs to stop attacking people that voters are going to view as "innocent" Americans. He needs to focus his comments on Clinton and her adherence to failing policies.

    X-Ring^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,254 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
    Utter naivete on the part of so many. It might help if people started asking why Trump is being asked these 'gotcha' questions, while Cankles is asked to 'tell us how wonderful she is'. Does one have to have had a child die in Iraq to express an opinion about Islamic Extremists? The connection is a silly one. The soldier who died fought for this country. That fact says nothing about the father's allegiance, or any other museum's.

    I have sent emails to the networks over the last week asking why they didn't show the BernBot walkout, the BLM chants during the moment of silence for fallen LE officers, the heckling of a MOH recipient. Have any of you complaining about Trump DONE anything? Or is your time pretty well eaten up with pointless hitching in online forums?

    Instead of analyzing Trump's response, get in the fight and demand the media act like responsible journalists, rather than fluff girls for the Dems.


    This wasn't a 'gotcha' question. It was an obvious question based upon Trump's statements regarding muslims. Any comment that could be taken as negative or disparaging about the family of a fallen serviceman are stupid. People can make up any rationale to justify or twist his statements, but the bottom line is that he needs to grow the hell up and control his mouth.

    There is a real story here that is being ignored, however. While muslims represent approximately 1% of the US population, they comprise just 0.25% of the U.S. Armed forces. A 4:1 underrepresentation says something very telling about how 'American' these people actually are.


    ....and the father belongs to the "Muslim Brotherhood"
  • CoolhandLukeCoolhandLuke Member Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.
    We have to fight so we can run away.
    Capt. Jack Sparrow.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.


    You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 64,332 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.
    Do you mean jerrywh818 who is recruiting votes for Hillary? or ?
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • CoolhandLukeCoolhandLuke Member Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.


    You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.


    Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]
    We have to fight so we can run away.
    Capt. Jack Sparrow.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.


    You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.


    Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]


    There is no evidence that Clinton is less conservative then Trump. All we have to go on his is ever changing positions on issues, with no consistency or fixed position. I haven't seen any Hillary supporters here. Why is it any one that dare point out the obvious problems with candidate Trump they must be a Hillary supporter? Why are Trump supporters always attempting to stifle speech with this "us vs them" mentality, including criticism of their chosen candidate? If you are not drinking the kool aid and willing to dismiss all juvenile behavior that trump exhibits you must be a Hillary supporter.
  • CoolhandLukeCoolhandLuke Member Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.


    You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.




    Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]


    There is no evidence that Clinton is less conservative then Trump. All we have to go on his is ever changing positions on issues, with no consistency or fixed position. I haven't seen any Hillary supporters here. Why is it any one that dare point out the obvious problems with candidate Trump they must be a Hillary supporter? Why are Trump supporters always attempting to stifle speech and the free exchange of ideas, including criticism of their chosen candidate?


    Don't you think you might be exaggerating a tad, the man did say he will appoint conservative judges and protect the constitution and the second amendment will secure the border deport criminals and so on, when the old hag wants to do exactly the opposite.

    I honestly have a hard time understanding the fervor with which some supposedly conservative people oppose Trump.
    We have to fight so we can run away.
    Capt. Jack Sparrow.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.


    You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.




    Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]


    There is no evidence that Clinton is less conservative then Trump. All we have to go on his is ever changing positions on issues, with no consistency or fixed position. I haven't seen any Hillary supporters here. Why is it any one that dare point out the obvious problems with candidate Trump they must be a Hillary supporter? Why are Trump supporters always attempting to stifle speech and the free exchange of ideas, including criticism of their chosen candidate?


    Don't you think you might be exaggerating a tad, the man did say he will appoint conservative judges and protect the constitution and the second amendment will secure the border deport criminals and so on, when the old hag wants to do exactly the opposite.

    I honestly have a hard time understanding the fervor with which some supposedly conservative people oppose Trump.



    Oh it probably has something to do with him not representing much of any of their core values. [;)] Trump says lots of things, the problem is those things tend to fluctuate depending on who he is speaking too at the time. How much time has he spent talking about the Constitution lately?
  • CoolhandLukeCoolhandLuke Member Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.


    You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.




    Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]


    There is no evidence that Clinton is less conservative then Trump. All we have to go on his is ever changing positions on issues, with no consistency or fixed position. I haven't seen any Hillary supporters here. Why is it any one that dare point out the obvious problems with candidate Trump they must be a Hillary supporter? Why are Trump supporters always attempting to stifle speech and the free exchange of ideas, including criticism of their chosen candidate?


    Don't you think you might be exaggerating a tad, the man did say he will appoint conservative judges and protect the constitution and the second amendment will secure the border deport criminals and so on, when the old hag wants to do exactly the opposite.

    I honestly have a hard time understanding the fervor with which some supposedly conservative people oppose Trump.



    Oh it probably has something to do with him not representing much of any of their core values. [;)] Trump says lots of things, the problem is those things tend to fluctuate depending on who he is speaking too at the time. How much time has he spent talking about the Constitution lately?


    Today he gave a good speech in a town hall in Ohio I think, and reiterated the appointing of conservative judges for the purpose of protecting the constitution, also said he will reinstate coal mining and make the country energy self sufficient, I don't think he is lying! do you ?
    We have to fight so we can run away.
    Capt. Jack Sparrow.
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.


    You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.


    Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]


    There is no evidence that Clinton is less conservative then Trump. All we have to go on his is ever changing positions on issues, with no consistency or fixed position. I haven't seen any Hillary supporters here. Why is it any one that dare point out the obvious problems with candidate Trump they must be a Hillary supporter? Why are Trump supporters always attempting to stifle speech with this "us vs them" mentality, including criticism of their chosen candidate? If you are not drinking the kool aid and willing to dismiss all juvenile behavior that trump exhibits you must be a Hillary supporter.

    Clinton does not have one conservative bone in her baggy body. The reason we are so defensive of Trump is because if he doesn't win there will be no tomorrow in our lifetime or yours for America as we have known it. Somehow some of you don't seem to realize what 3 or 4 liberal judges on the supreme court will do to this country.
    We are not only on the verge of losing the 2nd amendment but probably some of the others also. If you think you have free speech now your wrong. It will get much worse. Without the second there is no way to assure the others.
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    MrPerfect.
    You and Trump have a lot in common. You think you can win an argument by insulting people. It only shows how weak your argument is.
    I was grown up when you were born son. I was probably an Army medic on my way to Korea when you were born.
    Coolhand Luke has it figured out. Trump has a good plan.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
    Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.


    You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.


    Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]


    There is no evidence that Clinton is less conservative then Trump. All we have to go on his is ever changing positions on issues, with no consistency or fixed position. I haven't seen any Hillary supporters here. Why is it any one that dare point out the obvious problems with candidate Trump they must be a Hillary supporter? Why are Trump supporters always attempting to stifle speech with this "us vs them" mentality, including criticism of their chosen candidate? If you are not drinking the kool aid and willing to dismiss all juvenile behavior that trump exhibits you must be a Hillary supporter.

    Clinton does not have one conservative bone in her baggy body. The reason we are so defensive of Trump is because if he doesn't win there will be no tomorrow in our lifetime or yours for America as we have known it. Somehow some of you don't seem to realize what 3 or 4 liberal judges on the supreme court will do to this country.
    We are not only on the verge of losing the 2nd amendment but probably some of the others also. If you think you have free speech now your wrong. It will get much worse. Without the second there is no way to assure the others.


    Of course Clinton doesn't have a conservative bone in her body, and frankly neither does Trump. He is only slightly more republican than Bloomberg was when he still had an R by his name. If the 2nd Amendment had been the priority in this primary season then Trump would not have received the nomination. There were far stronger candidates that stood for the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment. The existence of Clinton as a threat to this Republic does not give Trump carte blanche to speak and act like a *. At some point he needs to focus on substance, with specifics about how he is going to turn this country around. If Trump truly desires to be President, he needs to recognize his position is to serve America, and humble himself to that end instead of making this about his inflated ego.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 64,332 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    MrPerfect.
    You and Trump have a lot in common. You think you can win an argument by insulting people. It only shows how weak your argument is.
    I was grown up when you were born son. I was probably an Army medic on my way to Korea when you were born.
    Coolhand Luke has it figured out. Trump has a good plan.
    If I ever decide to argue anything with you apparently, I will have to let you know. The fact your reading comprehension and reasoning is this bad at your age, really only serves to underscore what I suggested you do earlier.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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