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I think he is giving people what they have supported.
Whether any of us like it or not, this election is about the establishment, and the job they have done with the usual spit, polish, and puffery. Trump is not where he is because he has behaved as a normal politician.
Now you will hear the media talk about Clinton's details (which BTW she was reading from notes) and how she gave lots of specifics. Highly specific inanity, with details. That is going to happen after each debate.
One other thing that is telling is that Trump referred to Hillary as 'Secretary Clinton'. Hillary called him Donald the entire night.
People notice these things, probably more than 'details'. They will notice the crowd being allowed to applaud Clinton without reproach. They will notice Lester trying to 'Factcheck' Trump, but never once Hillary.
From a political standpoint, tonight went very well for Trump.
when Hildibeast toss in Rosie and the slams on women trump should have tossed in Monica and Jenifer as distractions and bills fondness for the girls if your so great why did bill go shopping [:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
He started strong, then went downhill. Still did better than I expected.
I disagree. He started strong, surged then went back and forth until generally shutting up when he should be quiet. Then got out of control again at the end.
Also agree her evil minions got free reign on crowd noise and the Good guys did not.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
If you. An watch this thing and vote for either of these idiots, you must loathe America. There are virtually no practical specifics from either candidate. A laundry list of attempted gotcha comments, some of which work and some of which fall flat. Given the choice of the three folks on the stage, I'd pick Holt over either of them.
A vote for anyone other then Trump is a vote for The pantsuit. Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise.
"She has a lot of experience. It's all bad."
Classic!!
He should of hammered her harder about the email and server. He was off to a good start about her employees pleading the fifth. He should of pressed it a little harder.
No talk about BenGazi.
I thought he babbled too much.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Franzc
The creature who swiped the nomination with Superdelegates is now saying she supports democracy.
but the United States is not a democracy
A popular, though mistaken, fallacy. We are a representative republic, which is a form of democracy.
I'm waiting for a couple people with * recognition systems to come to a conclusion, but I am wondering how the hell a woman who collapsed and has looked like the walking dead for a week appeared that well tonight.
She was either well prepared with canned crap in the manner of a professional politician, or was being prompted. Beyond that, the female participant brought nothing to the table beyond repeating Donals calls fat pigs fat pigs.
Trump was Trump, and NOT a polished professional politician. He did bring out some good points like $#!tlery creating ISIS and the US funding NATO and Japan's Defense.
Conclusion- neither picked up any of the other's voters. Total waste of time and money designed to make Trump blow and look bad. Trump may have picked up a few undecided voters.
I did note at the opening Trump politely wished her good luck. I did not hear her reciprocate.
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Franzc
The creature who swiped the nomination with Superdelegates is now saying she supports democracy.
but the United States is not a democracy
A popular, though mistaken, fallacy. We are a representative republic, which is a form of democracy.
In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group. Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated.
quote:Originally posted by mag00
Neither of them won me over. If the idea was to grab folks and have them come over to their side, it didn't work for me.
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Franzc
The creature who swiped the nomination with Superdelegates is now saying she supports democracy.
but the United States is not a democracy
A popular, though mistaken, fallacy. We are a representative republic, which is a form of democracy.
I'm fully aware it's a Republic, and also the election will be the result of a convoluted Electoral College.
The Female in the red dress said Democracy!
The majority of US general public believe it's a democracy.
The female in the red dress proved it is not even democracy at the 2016 DNC Convention when Superdelegates gave her the Nomination.
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
Overall I thought Trump landed more big hits, but his demeanor during most of the debate didn't help him.
Thank you. My thought exactly. Someone has got to tell him to stop looking and acting like a circus clown when on stage. He looks childish. America has already decided whom they are voting for, myself Trump, but he sure didn't win over any of the swing votes. She looked just like a career politician and he looked like, I don't know what the hell he looked like. I still think he got the better of her and she was just following a script, that will lead us into more debt and loss businesses. You have to remember, the super wealthy and rich business owners, keep us middle class working. You impose higher taxes on them, jobs go away and it trickles down to the middle class, which is now the lower class. [V] Oakie
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Franzc
The creature who swiped the nomination with Superdelegates is now saying she supports democracy.
but the United States is not a democracy
A popular, though mistaken, fallacy. We are a representative republic, which is a form of democracy.
In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group. Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated.
Yes. It is. What you are referring to is a direct democracy. Everything voted on by plebiscite.
de?moc?ra?cy
d#601;#712;m?kr#601;s#275;/
noun
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
quote:Originally posted by Franzc
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Franzc
The creature who swiped the nomination with Superdelegates is now saying she supports democracy.
but the United States is not a democracy
A popular, though mistaken, fallacy. We are a representative republic, which is a form of democracy.
I'm fully aware it's a Republic, and also the election will be the result of a convoluted Electoral College.
The Female in the red dress said Democracy!
The majority of US general public believe it's a democracy.
The female in the red dress proved it is not even democracy at the 2016 DNC Convention when Superdelegates gave her the Nomination.
exactly
say it enough and people believe it, obomo has said over and over we are a democracy, will will bring democracy to other countries, which is a step away from oligarchy, which is a step away from anarchy
When Trump was hammering her about the emails, he also should of mentioned Slick Willie and Valerie Jarretts little meeting.
He had her on the ropes and let her off.
Also when talking about the inner cities and the black neighborhoods, he should have been more concise about the democratically controlled cities like Detroit, Chicago, etc....... I thought he was too vague there.
quote:Originally posted by gearheaddad
When Trump was hammering her about the emails, he also should of mentioned Slick Willie and Valerie Jarretts little meeting.
He had her on the ropes and let her off.
Also when talking about the inner cities and the black neighborhoods, he should have been more concise about the democratically controlled cities like Detroit, Chicago, etc....... I thought he was too vague there.
I think he did really well there. Yes,he had her,she knew it,we knew,then he let her off. Point was still made.
I think too many republicans worry about how someone looks rather than 4 to 8 more years of being flushed down the toilet. Keep jacking your jaws about how bad Trump looks and that's where the country will go.
He missed some very easy opportunities by getting lost in the weeds responding to attacks against himself. The cyber security issue was a perfect example. He doesn't articulate ideas very well and that will hurt him. I so wanted him to verbally slap that smug grin off captain pantsuits face and he blew it. Disappointed, but then I predicted I would be disappointed after this non debate.
My opinion is that Trump came across unpolished either by design or personality.
The American people are tired of the Status Quo and do not want a career politician back in the White House.
While I don't think Trump came across as polished as Clinton did... I don't think it actually hurt him.
The polls currently seem to agree.
quote:Originally posted by kimi
I think too many republicans worry about how someone looks rather than 4 to 8 more years of being flushed down the toilet. Keep jacking your jaws about how bad Trump looks and that's where the country will go.
Very true. He hit some great points. Focusing on her time in government vs what she has accomplished is big. So was his comment about being $20 Trillion in debt, and having nothing to show for it but crumbling infrastructure, bad freeways, and 3rd world airports.
We sometimes spend too much time with how we would like a candidate behave, and ignore what a majority of voters will respond positively to. Then we lose.
Democracy or Republic, whatever you want to call it, we elect people that do not do what is best for the country, just what is best for their voters. Not what is Constitutional, but what they can get away with. There is little honor in politics. Or politicians.
quote:Originally posted by skicat
He missed some very easy opportunities by getting lost in the weeds responding to attacks against himself. The cyber security issue was a perfect example. He doesn't articulate ideas very well and that will hurt him. I so wanted him to verbally slap that smug grin off captain pantsuits face and he blew it. Disappointed, but then I predicted I would be disappointed after this non debate.
He even admitted he gave up several gut shots on the slimy devil. Which I think shows real promise....
One thing you gotta keep in the front of your mind pondering this verbal boxing match and the 2 to come; She is allowed to come into the ring with 5 pounds of lead shot in each of her gloves, and Donald has to wear bedpillows for gloves.
He can not, may not and will not it the girl, but he can, will and must take every punch she throws.
Remember how her Senate opponent Lazio got skewered, pilloried and broken by the wheel for crossing the stage with a piece of paper in his hand and putting it on her podium. She has a whole team waiting to go punch a story out for every news outlet if Donald comes near HER safe zone.
I thought he did well for his first "one-on-one." But he can do better.
He talked with passion, whereas she was wooden and mouthed the same boring pablum we've heard from 'bama the last eight years.
One mistake I think he's making, however, is his incessant talk about trade. I know he's a big businessman, but most Americans don't give much of a damn about trade.
I think he needs to start hitting on 'bamacare, illegals and other issues that incense most Americans.
Hopefully he learned a lot from tonight, and it will show up in the next round. But he's doing okay so far.
quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
My opinion is that Trump came across unpolished either by design or personality.
The American people are tired of the Status Quo and do not want a career politician back in the White House.
While I don't think Trump came across as polished as Clinton did... I don't think it actually hurt him.
The polls currently seem to agree.
Smooth as the day is long. Impossible to miss such positive attributes and short, sweet answers.
quote:Originally posted by popgun
I thought he did well for his first "one-on-one." But he can do better.
He talked with passion, whereas she was wooden and mouthed the same boring pablum we've heard from 'bama the last eight years.
One mistake I think he's making, however, is his incessant talk about trade. I know he's a big businessman, but most Americans don't give much of a damn about trade.
I think he needs to start hitting on 'bamacare, illegals and other issues that incense most Americans.
Hopefully he learned a lot from tonight, and it will show up in the next round. But he's doing okay so far.
Straight from the heart talk as opposed to Hillary preparing to give a lecture...one that is passionless at that, stinking with a smug, holier than thou attitude. Lester Holt rigged the debate as well, by steering clear of immigration which is Trump's baby...and ended it with the women issue, but all one has to do here is consider Lester Holt.
quote:Originally posted by popgun
I thought he did well for his first "one-on-one." But he can do better.
He talked with passion, whereas she was wooden and mouthed the same boring pablum we've heard from 'bama the last eight years.
One mistake I think he's making, however, is his incessant talk about trade. I know he's a big businessman, but most Americans don't give much of a damn about trade.
I think he needs to start hitting on 'bamacare, illegals and other issues that incense most Americans.
Hopefully he learned a lot from tonight, and it will show up in the next round. But he's doing okay so far.
This is my thoughts also. He will learn from this one and be more prepared or he will lose. She proved tonight she is not too sick to debate. There were many times he could have had much better retorts.
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Whether any of us like it or not, this election is about the establishment, and the job they have done with the usual spit, polish, and puffery. Trump is not where he is because he has behaved as a normal politician.
Now you will hear the media talk about Clinton's details (which BTW she was reading from notes) and how she gave lots of specifics. Highly specific inanity, with details. That is going to happen after each debate.
One other thing that is telling is that Trump referred to Hillary as 'Secretary Clinton'. Hillary called him Donald the entire night.
People notice these things, probably more than 'details'. They will notice the crowd being allowed to applaud Clinton without reproach. They will notice Lester trying to 'Factcheck' Trump, but never once Hillary.
From a political standpoint, tonight went very well for Trump.
He started strong, then went downhill. Still did better than I expected.
I disagree. He started strong, surged then went back and forth until generally shutting up when he should be quiet. Then got out of control again at the end.
Also agree her evil minions got free reign on crowd noise and the Good guys did not.
The creature who swiped the nomination with Superdelegates is now saying she supports democracy.
but the United States is not a democracy
If you. An watch this thing and vote for either of these idiots, you must loathe America. There are virtually no practical specifics from either candidate. A laundry list of attempted gotcha comments, some of which work and some of which fall flat. Given the choice of the three folks on the stage, I'd pick Holt over either of them.
A vote for anyone other then Trump is a vote for The pantsuit. Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise.
Classic!!
He should of hammered her harder about the email and server. He was off to a good start about her employees pleading the fifth. He should of pressed it a little harder.
No talk about BenGazi.
I thought he babbled too much.
quote:Originally posted by Franzc
The creature who swiped the nomination with Superdelegates is now saying she supports democracy.
but the United States is not a democracy
A popular, though mistaken, fallacy. We are a representative republic, which is a form of democracy.
She was either well prepared with canned crap in the manner of a professional politician, or was being prompted. Beyond that, the female participant brought nothing to the table beyond repeating Donals calls fat pigs fat pigs.
Trump was Trump, and NOT a polished professional politician. He did bring out some good points like $#!tlery creating ISIS and the US funding NATO and Japan's Defense.
Conclusion- neither picked up any of the other's voters. Total waste of time and money designed to make Trump blow and look bad. Trump may have picked up a few undecided voters.
I did note at the opening Trump politely wished her good luck. I did not hear her reciprocate.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Franzc
The creature who swiped the nomination with Superdelegates is now saying she supports democracy.
but the United States is not a democracy
A popular, though mistaken, fallacy. We are a representative republic, which is a form of democracy.
no it is not
In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group. Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic
Neither of them won me over. If the idea was to grab folks and have them come over to their side, it didn't work for me.
I will not watch any future debates.
No participation trophy for you!
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Franzc
The creature who swiped the nomination with Superdelegates is now saying she supports democracy.
but the United States is not a democracy
A popular, though mistaken, fallacy. We are a representative republic, which is a form of democracy.
I'm fully aware it's a Republic, and also the election will be the result of a convoluted Electoral College.
The Female in the red dress said Democracy!
The majority of US general public believe it's a democracy.
The female in the red dress proved it is not even democracy at the 2016 DNC Convention when Superdelegates gave her the Nomination.
Overall I thought Trump landed more big hits, but his demeanor during most of the debate didn't help him.
Thank you. My thought exactly. Someone has got to tell him to stop looking and acting like a circus clown when on stage. He looks childish. America has already decided whom they are voting for, myself Trump, but he sure didn't win over any of the swing votes. She looked just like a career politician and he looked like, I don't know what the hell he looked like. I still think he got the better of her and she was just following a script, that will lead us into more debt and loss businesses. You have to remember, the super wealthy and rich business owners, keep us middle class working. You impose higher taxes on them, jobs go away and it trickles down to the middle class, which is now the lower class. [V] Oakie
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Franzc
The creature who swiped the nomination with Superdelegates is now saying she supports democracy.
but the United States is not a democracy
A popular, though mistaken, fallacy. We are a representative republic, which is a form of democracy.
no it is not
In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group. Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic
Yes. It is. What you are referring to is a direct democracy. Everything voted on by plebiscite.
de?moc?ra?cy
d#601;#712;m?kr#601;s#275;/
noun
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Franzc
The creature who swiped the nomination with Superdelegates is now saying she supports democracy.
but the United States is not a democracy
A popular, though mistaken, fallacy. We are a representative republic, which is a form of democracy.
I'm fully aware it's a Republic, and also the election will be the result of a convoluted Electoral College.
The Female in the red dress said Democracy!
The majority of US general public believe it's a democracy.
The female in the red dress proved it is not even democracy at the 2016 DNC Convention when Superdelegates gave her the Nomination.
exactly
say it enough and people believe it, obomo has said over and over we are a democracy, will will bring democracy to other countries, which is a step away from oligarchy, which is a step away from anarchy
EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE HEADED
He had her on the ropes and let her off.
Also when talking about the inner cities and the black neighborhoods, he should have been more concise about the democratically controlled cities like Detroit, Chicago, etc....... I thought he was too vague there.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
Best response...30 yrs. and you have done nothing.
[;)][;)][;)]
When Trump was hammering her about the emails, he also should of mentioned Slick Willie and Valerie Jarretts little meeting.
He had her on the ropes and let her off.
Also when talking about the inner cities and the black neighborhoods, he should have been more concise about the democratically controlled cities like Detroit, Chicago, etc....... I thought he was too vague there.
I think he did really well there. Yes,he had her,she knew it,we knew,then he let her off. Point was still made.
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/09/who_won_debate_trump_clinton_poll_live_presidential.html
Trump : 53.35%
Clinton : 41.70%
Neither : 3.28%
Don't Know : 1.67%
Other polls are following suit.
One I looked at showed an 80% No Change in expected vote with both Trump and Clinton running 50-50 as to who won tonight.
The American people are tired of the Status Quo and do not want a career politician back in the White House.
While I don't think Trump came across as polished as Clinton did... I don't think it actually hurt him.
The polls currently seem to agree.
I think too many republicans worry about how someone looks rather than 4 to 8 more years of being flushed down the toilet. Keep jacking your jaws about how bad Trump looks and that's where the country will go.
Very true. He hit some great points. Focusing on her time in government vs what she has accomplished is big. So was his comment about being $20 Trillion in debt, and having nothing to show for it but crumbling infrastructure, bad freeways, and 3rd world airports.
We sometimes spend too much time with how we would like a candidate behave, and ignore what a majority of voters will respond positively to. Then we lose.
Current Polls:
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/09/who_won_debate_trump_clinton_poll_live_presidential.html
Trump : 53.35%
Clinton : 41.70%
Neither : 3.28%
Don't Know : 1.67%
Other polls are following suit.
One I looked at showed an 80% No Change in expected vote with both Trump and Clinton running 50-50 as to who won tonight.
I have not found one yet that she has come close to winning, except for the CNN poll, and that's to be an expected whop sided loss.
He missed some very easy opportunities by getting lost in the weeds responding to attacks against himself. The cyber security issue was a perfect example. He doesn't articulate ideas very well and that will hurt him. I so wanted him to verbally slap that smug grin off captain pantsuits face and he blew it. Disappointed, but then I predicted I would be disappointed after this non debate.
He even admitted he gave up several gut shots on the slimy devil. Which I think shows real promise....
Since it is the law, that was mighty big of him.
Member at a private club are you???
He can not, may not and will not it the girl, but he can, will and must take every punch she throws.
Remember how her Senate opponent Lazio got skewered, pilloried and broken by the wheel for crossing the stage with a piece of paper in his hand and putting it on her podium. She has a whole team waiting to go punch a story out for every news outlet if Donald comes near HER safe zone.
He talked with passion, whereas she was wooden and mouthed the same boring pablum we've heard from 'bama the last eight years.
One mistake I think he's making, however, is his incessant talk about trade. I know he's a big businessman, but most Americans don't give much of a damn about trade.
I think he needs to start hitting on 'bamacare, illegals and other issues that incense most Americans.
Hopefully he learned a lot from tonight, and it will show up in the next round. But he's doing okay so far.
My opinion is that Trump came across unpolished either by design or personality.
The American people are tired of the Status Quo and do not want a career politician back in the White House.
While I don't think Trump came across as polished as Clinton did... I don't think it actually hurt him.
The polls currently seem to agree.
Smooth as the day is long. Impossible to miss such positive attributes and short, sweet answers.
I thought he did well for his first "one-on-one." But he can do better.
He talked with passion, whereas she was wooden and mouthed the same boring pablum we've heard from 'bama the last eight years.
One mistake I think he's making, however, is his incessant talk about trade. I know he's a big businessman, but most Americans don't give much of a damn about trade.
I think he needs to start hitting on 'bamacare, illegals and other issues that incense most Americans.
Hopefully he learned a lot from tonight, and it will show up in the next round. But he's doing okay so far.
Straight from the heart talk as opposed to Hillary preparing to give a lecture...one that is passionless at that, stinking with a smug, holier than thou attitude. Lester Holt rigged the debate as well, by steering clear of immigration which is Trump's baby...and ended it with the women issue, but all one has to do here is consider Lester Holt.
I thought he did well for his first "one-on-one." But he can do better.
He talked with passion, whereas she was wooden and mouthed the same boring pablum we've heard from 'bama the last eight years.
One mistake I think he's making, however, is his incessant talk about trade. I know he's a big businessman, but most Americans don't give much of a damn about trade.
I think he needs to start hitting on 'bamacare, illegals and other issues that incense most Americans.
Hopefully he learned a lot from tonight, and it will show up in the next round. But he's doing okay so far.
This is my thoughts also. He will learn from this one and be more prepared or he will lose. She proved tonight she is not too sick to debate. There were many times he could have had much better retorts.