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GUNOWNERS THAT VOTE ??? HA ! Gimmee a break!
jpwolf
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I was just reading "Lorus's" topic on how many of us vote. What a perfect example of the facts. That posting has been there a little over three weeks and a WHOPPING eight people say "I vote." Yea. Here are the facts and statistics that MATTER! There are now 90 million gunowners in America. In the last Presidential election, one we gunowners KNEW we had to win, just under 100 million people voted! Now let's see, if gunowners were NOT sitting on there FAT *, but instead had made there way to the election booth, that would mean that George Bush got 90 million votes and Karl Marx Gore only got 10 million votes, right????? WRONG !!!! They each got approx. 49 million votes, so, about half of all gun owners voted and this accounts for ALL of G.W.'s votes,and no one else voted for him, right? WRONG !! So can we even assume that 20% of G.W.'s total vote count was gunowners? Maybe but I doubt it. And that would still only be less than 10% of ALL gunowners who voted in this election, one we knew we had to win ??? This is pathetic !! And I've probably OVER esimated gunowners portion in the count but to do otherwise would be so dismall....well I don't even want to think about it. Every gunowner who reads this, but doesn't vote, here's my message to YOU! YOU are as WORTHLESS as any liberal, democrat, baby-killer. Liberals and their agenda are not our problem, YOU ARE THEEEEE PROBLEM !!!!! We SHOULD OWN every election !! In which case, liberals are no longer a problem. FIGURE IT OUT !!! I am pissed !!! GET OFF YOUR * AND VOTE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Every single problem people gripe about in these forums COULD BE FIXED and several more, at least in my opinion. Liberals are the CAUSE of all of our social ills. They help perpetuate them, and then campaign on them as if only "they" can fix all these problems. WE, that's right WE, can put these scumbags in the unemployment line where they belong, AND fix what's wrong with this country at once! THEY ARE what's wrong with this country. So do your conservative friend, neighbor, relative, person you don't even know, who doesn't even own a gun a favor, VOTE !!!!
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We also need to vote and write articles to papers 'Letter to the Editor's' to get publicity.
I'm truly surprised 100 Million people voted in the last Presidential Election. I though it was 9 Million .
What is the most dangerous feature on an assault weapon? I say it's the Bayonet Lug? What do you say?
Slick Willie and Dianne Feinstein stated: AR's and MAK's are weapons of WAR! Then why does so many Law Enforcement Officers and the BATF have them?
What happens if you give up "Rights" for "Security"? How many "Rights" will eventually be given up and how secure will we be?
Why is there a Mis-Conception about Law Enforcement Officers? There are approxmatly 23 different personallity traits to the Human Character; what makes us unique is the varied degrees of those traits. So! Do Law Enforcement Officers experience Greed, Lazyness, Hate, Love, Compassion, Loyalty, Avarice, are they beyond the Common Desires or Weaknesses? If so; just what in particular makes them this way? If not so; maybe they should not have assault weapons either?
"Go Tell The Spartans ~ We Have Done Our Duty"[V]
Ronnie G. Perkins
Out of 90 million gun owners, most of them do not participate in the NRA, GOA, JPFO, or SAF, or any I may have missed, either. The NRA boasts only about 4 million members. You ban their guns, big deal. They do not understand the importance of firearms. For many of us, though, it is a big deal.
Funny thing is, the million idiot march doesn't even consist of much more than 2,000 members anymore. Apparently, there are people out there trying to use their clout to strong-arm the system and make votes irrelevant. It's an uphill battle.....
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
The Populations Centers are Neu York, Los Diablos, Big Chi, Di-trit, Baston. These are also the "Problem Centers" (we should have quarenteend them years ago). Their Liberal & Permissive Virus have spread to the "Common Sense" people (that's us). Now what do they suggest?? It's the Blame Game, Intellectuals refuse to take responsibility for their Actions (or In-Action).
I recall the History of Greece. Greece under Alexander, became the greatest power the world had known, her power ran all the way to India, Persia and Egypt, The Great Learning Center "Alexandria", brought knowledge and hope to the conquered people. (proving; Ignorance is not Bliss).
Greece faltered under the Great Intellectuals (intellectuals are not necessarly Practicle). If it wasn't for the Spartans; Greece would have declined much sooner. While the Majority of Greeks were
sitting on their duffs burning a toke and discussing their Portfolios
[;)] the Spartans were becoming a minority (you can never have too many Spartans). Hola! The Great Greek Empire becomes = The Greco Roman Empire = eventually = The Roman Empire. The Roman Empire lasted for 800 years (there were few Woosys in the Early Roman Empire). So! enough of History.
I am not sure if Voting has the Power you Suggest JP. After all = If you can circumvent the Constitution; the Ballot Box would present little difficulty. Remember: The Spartans are quickly becomeing the Minority ~ Soon there will not be enough Spartans to cover ~ besides; We have already became a "Police State" (hasn't anyone noticed?).
We live in a Country where ONLY Millionares can aspire to High Office, (haven't you noticed?) It's been too long since an Honest and Intelligent Poor Man has achieved recognition (unless he got his butt shot in some Monetarily Fruitfull Little War).[xx(]
Convince me JP, I really need (in a bad way) to believe in something again. (Or must we Awaken Woden & Thor in our Saxon Breast?)[:(!]
Ronnie G. Perkins
Now! Americans shrink the Dutys assigned us by the Founding Fathers, we fear our Government (and rightly so). But wasn't it US that watched their Sloth, Greed, Ambition, Sexual Excapades, Financal Maniptulations, (even too the Point of Sending our Youth off to a WAR, never intended to win)?
Let's look at the "FACTS" as we know them: National Guard shoots Protesters, ATF Kills a Man's Wife, Son, over sawing off two inches of steel, (a man that served His Country Honorably in the Special Forces). Small "Gun Shop" owner in Kern County, Calif, supposedly shot himself emed. after being served a warrant by the ATF, (trouble was, he had two more bullett holes in him). The List Gooooooes on.
I personally can't afford optmisim, God Bless those who can.
Ronnie G. Perkins
"I only need my guns to hunt. Why do you feel it so important to own the weapons you perscribe?"
"If the government wants your guns, they'll just take'em. What are you gonna do about it?"
"That's what we have police for."
"I don't care about the Second Amendment until they infringe on my right (sic) to hunt."
"I don't want people running around with machine guns and bazookas."
"I would rather go fishing than vote."
"I trust myself with guns, it's everyone else I don't trust."
"....for the children."
"Second Amedment!?!? I don't even know what that is."
"You don't have the right to do anything with a gun besides hunt."
"I will just use a bow to hunt."
One of the other side's key weapons inthe fight to remove your rights is big media, and lies and misinformation that go hand in hand with that, and key words, emotional hot topics, buzzwords, and botched statistics to purposely achieve a desired result, as fraudulent as that may sound. Voting is NOT enough. You have to know what your voting for, and that is where the other groups come in. Them, and us, form a symbiotic circle for a common benefit. What is it going to hurt to have someone keeping you informed other than those who have malicious intent for you and people you should NOT trust with anything of yours???
Here's somethin else, jp. If you think voting is the ONLY tool, what about helping those you elect make decisions on the issues that come up for vote? A vote is a mere YES/NO to a candidate, not a declaration of everything you expect. They may be simply the lesser of two evils that need to be set right in other areas of interest, and that's where all the other things come into play.
I wish it was as easy as voting...
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"It is said: Men cannot be trusted to Govern themselves; Can they then be trusted with the Government of others, or have we found angels taking the form of Kings to Govern us?" "Let History answer this question!"
Ronnie G. Perkins
If force ain't work'n... Your not use'n nough of it
JP, we are definitely on the right page. You do have a good point.... we have no hope for anyone who is DEFINITELY going to vote his own way regardlss of our warnings. An once a law is on the books, its removal is nearly impossible. At that point, voting someone out makes no difference. We have to get it right the first time.
Here's what I don't understand. Dianne Swinestein is telling our President he is EXPECTED to reauthorize the AWB, that the voters are going tohold him to it. Why does this sloth think she knows a single thing about the GOP voters??? Did she vote for Bush?? I doubt it. So, therefore, why does he care what this piece of liberal crap thinks???
And let me reiterate one more goodie for good measure. Dianne Swinestein, in all her efforts to ban guns, is a CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT HOLDER. This goes to show just how much faith she has in the very laws she is insisting on. It also makes her a hypocrite (duh), and makes her stand out as an example of how much she cares about those who she represents, while at the same time is a shining example of "in your fsce" class-selection aristocracy.
So I go on the record for saying that anyone who voted fo her is a complete idiot. And I ain't apologizing to anyone I "offend" (insert gunphreak flipping the bird here).
"A fear of weapons is a sign of a retarded sexual and mental development." -Sigmund Freud
(Don't take my word for it.)
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
PRIME EXAMPLE #13: One of the Greatest Lobbying Efforts in this country has been by the NRA = The NRA is the Voice of the People = The NRA has been condemed by the Liberals as being an enity of its own, somehow self sustaining without the support of
"The People". (I know this goes against rational thinking)(Common Sense is not a Libral tool and serves not to propogate their Agenda).
PRIME EXAMPLE #1: (Remembering "Stormin Norman's" appraisal of Hussien)- Gloria Steinheim, Dianne Feinstein, Hillary Clinton, Rosie Oh! are neither students of History, Philosophy, or Psychology. (but are slightly brighter than those that voted them into office or bought their Manure). These ? Ladies are simply riding the prevailling Wind = I would caution them, least they reap the Whirlwind.[:(] These Ladies cannot foresee the results of their actions, nor do they wish too.
"Go tell the Spartans"
Ronnie G. Perkins
Now let's see, if gunowners were NOT sitting on there FAT *, but instead had made there way to the election booth, that would mean that George Bush got 90 million votes and Karl Marx Gore only got 10 million votes, right????? WRONG !!!! They each got approx. 49 million votes, so, about half of all gun owners voted and this accounts for ALL of G.W.'s votes,and no one else voted for him, right? WRONG !! So can we even assume that 20% of G.W.'s total vote count was gunowners? Maybe but I doubt it. And that would still only be less that 10% of ALL gunowners who voted in this election, one we knew we had to win ??? This is pathetic !! And I've probably OVER esimated gunowners portion in the count but to do otherwise would be so dismall....well I don't even want to think about it. Every gunowner who reads this, but doesn't vote, here's my message to YOU! YOU are as WORTHLESS as any liberal, democrat, baby-killer. Liberals and their agenda are not our problem, YOU ARE THEEEEE PROBLEM !!!!! We SHOULD OWN every election !! In which case, liberals are no longer a problem. Liberals are the CAUSE of all of our social ills. They help perpetuate them, and then campaign on them as if only "they" can fix all these problems. WE, that's right WE, can put these scumbags in the unemployment line where they belong, AND fix what's wrong with this country at once! THEY ARE what's wrong with this country. So do your conservative friend, neighbor, relative, person you don't even know, who doesn't even own a gun a favor, VOTE !!!!
It appears that you associate voting for Marxist George Bush with protecting gun rights. Not so. Bush like Gore, is a Marxist, and Bush, like Gore is an anti gunner. You also seem to have a problem with "the liberal agenda". If you have a problem with the liberal agenda, than why are you so adamant about voting for George Bush?
You are a contributor to the problems that you are griping about. You equate "liberalism" with Democrats, and "conservatism" with George Bush. You have this false notion that George Bush is a conservative, and are telling every one else to vote for Bush because he is a conservative, when the truth of the matter is, GW is as much a liberal skunk as the democrats.
"It is important, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments into one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism.."
-George Washington
When I read (Indepth) the Founding Fathers, I am totaly amazed by their Intellect and Wisdom, for they had a true understanding of "Governments Past" as well as the Susceptibilites and Foibles of Man. Lucky for us Washington was not an Ambitious Man, his ambition ran toward creating a Democratic Nation where none had existed before. I doubt the Politicians of today would feel comfortable in his or any of the Founding Fathers presence (assuming they would not resent the association).
"Democracy Is Not Self Sustaining"
~ LOCK & LOAD ~
Ronnie G. Perkins
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
[br Al Gore is "more" liberal than George Bush or as it happens, George Bush is "more" conservative than Al Gore. I would hope we could agree on that.
I cant speculate on whether or not Algore would have been more "liberal."
I define "liberal" as someone who believes power is better in the hands of the federal government, than in the hands of the people.
Rather than focus on George Bushs ENTIRE liberal agenda, lets focus on one issue. I know in the past when I provide a list of GWs liberal policies, the liberal issues do not get discussed, they are usually reduced to "well he is better than the other guy."
George Bush pushed for his "leave no child behind" act. George Bush increased the budget for the Department of Education by 20%. 20%!!! He also placed more power in the hands of the federal government when it comes to educating our children, requiring, among other things, federal testing of teachers and children.
George Bush increased the scope of government in educating our children by requiring federal testing, and increased the budget of the Department of Education so much, it would make any liberal proud. Bill Clinton could not have done any better.
I remember ten years ago so called conservatives were pushing to abolish the unconstitutional Department of education alltogether, and here is George Bush giving it more money/power than any democrat ever even attempted.
Would the increase in Federal power and spending in this area have been worse if Algore was president? I dont think so.
"It is important, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments into one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism.."
-George Washington
DEMONkrat=Republikan, vote third party.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
STOP: Think! Let's look at the situation from a realistic view point. Anyone Remember Ross PeeRow? I know everyone has their opinion about Ross, I for one; have found everything he said to be true or to become true. Ross was right when with IBM, Ross was Right when advising GMC, but because he sold his stock and left before the chit hit de Fan, they condemed him? Remember when Ross went to Vietnam? Remember when Ross retreated from Third Party because of the Threats? I also remember Ross saying: "You don't want this NAFDA deal, sure if it passes, I will make a Fortune off of it, but I am telling the American Public; You Had Better Stop This Puppy before it becomes a Rabid Wolf". This is just one example of an Intelligent and Wealthy Man cut to pieces by the Media (Larry King attacked Ross and Hugged Hillary). I don't believe I ever heard or read one thing the Gentleman did underhanded, (can't say that for Hillary), but look who aspired to High Office.
This Third Party thing will never Fly, (I wish there was a chance, I really do), but in my humble opinion and limited knowledge of our system, (well; I'll let that speak for itself).
I watched the Peaceful March in Protest of the WTO, the Cameras were picking up the Looters on the street as they carried T.V.'s to large to get into the automobiles, Police paid them "Zero" attention; yet they frailed many of the Peaceful Marchers (many of them Women).
Wal_Mart is now the Largest Coropration in the World (Yet Produces NOTHING), (just happens to be from Arkansas) How long do you think we can buy Chinese (Most Favored Nation) and send Factories to Mexico? This mornings News Stated: "We now have the Highest defict in the History of this Nation." = "China plans to execute anyone passing the SARS Virus". "Iraq has horrible "Human Rights Violations?" (but they do have Oil).
Gentlemen; "We" are already on a "Watch List", and Possibly a "Hit List". Trust; our Determination and Resolve will be fully tested in the near Future. = Ron Brown & Tyson = What happend to Brown and who was appointed to his Office? Perhaps we need the "Park Police" to investigate? (they did such a fine job in Marcy Park).
We are up against a BEAR my friends, a stick will not suffice. "Reason" has been replaced by "SPIN", so rule Reason out.
"WE" are living in a "Chicken Sh-t World", and full of "Chicken Sh-t
People".
I will finish with this: "If the Founding Fathers could put it all on the line to give me Freedom, could I do less to retain it?"
I will always remain Loyal the "The Constitution of These United States". I will support the Principles which have afforded Our Liberty, and which made this Country Great. (with Life or Limb; I swear).
Ronnie G. Perkins
1. Second Amendment is abolished. This will lead to lots and lots of bloodshed on the geography of 90 million people against about 1 million. The idea of people coming for 220 million guns will frighten those they go to confiscate from. Most of them will not give their property up without a fight.... Including ME.
2. Soialist Insekurity runs out, leaving millions who depended on it suddenly with nothing, and many more millions who paid into it just plain screwed. A class of people will be created that have nothing to lose, and too old to care whether or not they live or die, and many others that are younger and very pissed off.... Including ME.
Both of FDR's gems are going to crumble. I hope I'm alive to see it, and look upon their Marxist faces as thy fail to triumph.
Camera.... $50.00
A good length of rope.... $5.00
The look on a dead tyrant's face as his pathetic corpse sways in the breeze, immortalized on film..... PRICELESS!!!
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
EXAMPLE: Every Saturday & Sunday, many would gather at "The Red Barn", set up their Guns, Knives, Etc. Mingled among the Gun Traders were other vendors; Women with Dolls, Guys with Coins and Various Antiques. > A Camera Crew came into the "Old Red Barn" to make a Commercial for the Owner. Channel 36 News on the side of their Van. (none of us knew it was a Commercial being made). No less than 20 people turned their back or headed out the door with their caps pulled down, leaving guns and all on the tables. I alone; Pointed to My Store Address on my Cap and beckoned the Camera Man to come take a close up,(Which he did). I guess what I am saying <My Friend> "Talk is Cheap", I find few (make that- Very Few), with the strengh of their Convictions. 80% of the American People are afraid of the Government - The other 20% work for the ^ Government. GUNNY: I find society much more Chicken Sh-t than you do, otherwise we are in total agreement. (^notice, I did not say, "Their Government"?)
"Democracy is not self sustaining"
Ronnie G. Perkins
..but the most dangerous person in the world is one tht can lose nothing more. That is why it is so imperative for them to remove our guns. If Sozialist Insekurity falls first, they're dead, and they know it.
Really really bad things are going to have to happen before this will occur, make no mistake about that. If SS falls, everything else will, too. The domino effect will get us all. Our economy will collapse, and there will be lots of feral humans wanting justice the way justice works best. Those who made it all so, will die, I have no doubt of that. History repeats itself; you of all of us should know that, Ronnie. But I'm with you... we'll all be up the creek at that point....
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"It is important, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments into one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism.."
-George Washington
Greedy People of Power don't understand; Simply because they don't feel the need to understand. ERGO = "Why should I worry about Gun Laws? I helped write them, besides; I have been mandated by the people to do anything I want". "As long as you are making your payments, don't worry about it, we have assigned people to protect you."
My Old Daddy used to say: "There's a little too much, Hurray for ME and Too Hell with YOU in Politics". [:0]
"Those that will not Fight for Liberty, do not deserve Liberty = Those that do not deserve Liberty will be deprived of Their Liberty." Even the Simplist of minds can understand - So! Why does our Leadership choose to ignore these facts?
~LOCK & LOAD~
Ronnie G. Perkins
...makes me wonder why it is a Constitutionalist Party doesn't make more ground than the * we have in the White House and other houses, now.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
AlleninAlaska
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The Contract was another "NOBIDDER" (that's kinda like a gift between friends). Cheney made 19.7 per year as CEO of Haliburton, (takes a pretty good man to give up that kind of GravyTrain, to do his duty as an American Citizen). Hummmm! Someone said "Power Corrupts - Absolute Power, Corrupts, Absolutly". Isn't that what its all about? = Money or Power, Money is Power?
We Citizens have a difficult time acknowledging; There are people on Planet Earth which have much larger requirements than "Normal" people. There are Psychological terms that express the short commings in these type people, it is obvious they are not the most stable people you have ever met.
Does anyone remember: Congress would have an underground "BombShelter", completely equipted th keep the "Big Wigs' safe for 50 years, or so (it's a half Life thing)? They even had the program to include young Federal Workers (Ladies) to be in the shelter also (so as to perpetuate the Species after the holocost). From seed of these Great men (whom they considered to be the Best Humanity had to offer). Like they were doing Humanity a Favor??? And just who the Hell told them they were worthy? Same as "I need and deserve protection - You don't".
Kentucky had the Lowest Voter Turnout for the primary in history, this past week. Why don't people go to the Polls? We went to the Polls with Dubya and look how things are going.[xx(]
Ronnie G. Perkins
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.