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If there are indeed gun owners ..even a few ..in California that actually embrace the Constitution and Bill of Rights EXACTLY as written...I will cease my highly vocal objections to sending anymore weapons there.
Highball,
Here's proof that more than a few CalGunners are supportive of your 2A views. Can we count on your support?
quote:Originally posted by impactco
quote:Originally posted by Highball
If there are indeed gun owners ..even a few ..in California that actually embrace the Constitution and Bill of Rights EXACTLY as written...I will cease my highly vocal objections to sending anymore weapons there.
Highball,
Here's proof that more than a few CalGunners are supportive of your 2A views. Can we count on your support?
Only reading the FIRST page of responses, your poll isn't accurate to posted responses. Only one or two were totally serious about no restrictions.
You won't find me advocating ANY laws/restictions/ect for firearms OR ammo. Hell, even one guy supposedly advocated NO laws, then in the same breath advocated a law for age requirement. Either those people are unable to process the question, or they enjoy talking from BOTH sides of their mouth.
Why are we at Calguns even trying then. [B)] I guess we should just give in as you have and wait till the revolution???
Oh thats right because I will not sit on my hands and do nothing. Short of taking up arm vs. my own Gov. even though some on there [:o)] think thats the only way.
Having an argument on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics. Even if you win your still retarded.
quote:Originally posted by Deadred707
Why are we at Calguns even trying then. [B)] I guess we should just give in as you have and wait till the revolution???
Oh thats right because I will not sit on my hands and do nothing. Short of taking up arm vs. my own Gov. even though some on there [:o)] think thats the only way.
Having an argument on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics. Even if you win your still retarded.
What have you on calguns have done? Concrete cases please where calgun or CA "gun owners" have overturned a single piece of CA gun control legislation.
quote:Originally posted by impactco
quote:Originally posted by Highball
If there are indeed gun owners ..even a few ..in California that actually embrace the Constitution and Bill of Rights EXACTLY as written...I will cease my highly vocal objections to sending anymore weapons there.
Highball,
Here's proof that more than a few CalGunners are supportive of your 2A views. Can we count on your support?
quote:Originally posted by Deadred707
Yeah how many felons do you want to have buying guns from a FFL in your state?
Well, I want every person, whom has been released, to be able to buy a gun from ANY store that chooses to sell them. FFL's are unconstitutional and so is trivially taking away a freeperson's RIGHTS.
quote:Originally posted by Deadred707
Why are we at Calguns even trying then. [B)] I guess we should just give in as you have and wait till the revolution???
Oh thats right because I will not sit on my hands and do nothing. Short of taking up arm vs. my own Gov. even though some on there [:o)] think thats the only way.
Having an argument on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics. Even if you win your still retarded.
Well, one of us MIGHT be in the special olympics, but it ain't me.
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck".
Fight for the sake of fighting, any not winning any battles, puts YOU on the losing side.
Change your tactics and WIN for once, would ya?
quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by Deadred707
Why are we at Calguns even trying then. [B)] I guess we should just give in as you have and wait till the revolution???
Oh thats right because I will not sit on my hands and do nothing. Short of taking up arm vs. my own Gov. even though some on there [:o)] think thats the only way.
Having an argument on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics. Even if you win your still retarded.
Well, one of us MIGHT be in the special olympics, but it ain't me.
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck".
Fight for the sake of fighting, any not winning any battles, puts YOU on the losing side.
Change your tactics and WIN for once, would ya?
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by Deadred707
Yeah how many felons do you want to have buying guns from a FFL in your state?
What's a "felon" and what's "FFL" and what do these terms have to do with the US Constitution?
Note, once again, the main question to these trolls went ignored and unanswered. [:)]
Sure it went unanswered. I knew it, and so did you. These people are trying to get OUR money and support flowing into their cause.
It would be like me throwing money or vocal support to Sarah Brady, NO THANKS.
Well, there appears to be 103 people out there ...40 %... That recognize the truth of the matter.
That is a bigger percentage then we get here, on General...every time we run the poll.
Perhaps it is time to think about this a bit.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Well, there appears to be 103 people out there ...40 %... That recognize the truth of the matter.
That is a bigger percentage then we get here, on General...every time we run the poll.
Perhaps it is time to think about this a bit.
Well, since this forum software doesn't allow to conduct polls internally, I don't think it's an accurate assessment. Besides, the questions on that poll are misleading. Polls don't give you an accurate picture of anything anyhow.
quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by Deadred707
Yeah how many felons do you want to have buying guns from a FFL in your state?
What's a "felon" and what's "FFL" and what do these terms have to do with the US Constitution?
Note, once again, the main question to these trolls went ignored and unanswered. [:)]
Sure it went unanswered. I knew it, and so did you. These people are trying to get OUR money and support flowing into their cause.
It would be like me throwing money or vocal support to Sarah Brady, NO THANKS.
[:)] It's rather amusing.
I can't say that if the cause is 2A the way we see it it would be pointless, but once again, one needs to see results. "Resisting" and "fighting" without any results obviously isn't gonna do anything. They do have a fund and some lawyers and what not, but fighting a completely wrong cause, or rather fighting effect than cause, which is pointless waste of energy and resources. Don't see much dedication in that particular community either. Could be the lack of leadership though. Too many group pulling the blanket onto themselves, which is normal, maybe it isn't time yet.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Well, there appears to be 103 people out there ...40 %... That recognize the truth of the matter.
That is a bigger percentage then we get here, on General...every time we run the poll.
Perhaps it is time to think about this a bit.
Yes, many of us here are all fighting for the same cause. I'm glad that you now see the evidence of that.
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
James, it's "privilege". [:D]
pdq_wizzard: so all-n-all, you do belive in some "reasonable" gun control?
if we don't put to death the people that need to be, then yes "reasonable" gun control is ok with me, but like I has said in other posts, IF you already own a gun there is NO reason to have a waiting peroid!!!
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by pdq_wizzard
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
pdq_wizzard: so all-n-all, you do belive in some "reasonable" gun control?
if we don't put to death the people that need to be, then yes "reasonable" gun control is ok with me,
Thank you for clarifying it. You have much to learn.
learn about what? the fact that we let people out of our jails that should never have seen the light of day? I still say there are people out there that should NEVER own a gun. (use a gun in a crime you can never have a gun)
quote:Yes, many of us here are all fighting for the same cause. I'm glad that you now see the evidence of that.
One needs to understand this :
I no longer believe that ANYBODY supporting gun control is fighting for MY cause.
That cause is the restoration of the Constitution, and specifically the Second Amendment.
There is a clear bright line between gun controllers...whom I consider to be criminally insane...and those demanding a return to Constitutional principles.
Not one dollar of my money NOR time will be directed towards an organization that contains gun controllers ...except to fight them on every front.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:Yes, many of us here are all fighting for the same cause. I'm glad that you now see the evidence of that.
One needs to understand this :
I no longer believe that ANYBODY supporting gun control is fighting for MY cause.
That cause is the restoration of the Constitution, and specifically the Second Amendment.
There is a clear bright line between gun controllers...whom I consider to be criminally insane...and those demanding a return to Constitutional principles.
Not one dollar of my money NOR time will be directed towards an organization that contains gun controllers ...except to fight them on every front.
Right around 40% of those that participated in my California poll support NO REGULATION. By your own admission, you stated:
"That is a bigger percentage then we get here, in General...every time we run the poll."
You stated:
"Not one dollar of my money NOR time will be directed towards an organization that contains gun controllers ...except to fight them on every front."
So by your logic, you should be boycotting GB and all of it's participants:
You previously posted this:
"If there are indeed gun owners ..even a few ..in California that actually embrace the Constitution and Bill of Rights EXACTLY as written...I will cease my highly vocal objections to sending anymore weapons there."
We have proven our stance to you. Will you be a man of honor and accept your brothers in California?
impactco;
Is there some particular reason for you bouncing this thread to the top every little bit ?
Not complaining, here...but seeing aberrant behavior leads one to ask "why".
Perhaps I was right, after all, the first time. Reading skills appear to be a sometime thing, in certain people.
I felt this answer deserved its OWN thread...and posted it. Perhaps you could take a moment and actually read it.
quote:Originally posted by kayzap
quote:Originally posted by freemind
These people are trying to get OUR money and support flowing into their cause.
We're not asking you for money and the support we're asking for is to be sold the supplies we need.
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YOU people elected the trash that makes your laws. Fix the laws, and you return the freeflow of goods. Don't cry and whine when sellers refuse to jump through MORE hoops, and open themselves up to possible litigation in the future.
As Don has suggested earlier, you people have NOT even used all the tools at your disposal. You talk a good game, but I can see through the Bullsnit.
Ahh this again, Cali-bashing for fun and no profit.
Quick question for those claiming that California gun owners are doing nothing or should be written off.
What is YOUR suggestion for what should be done?
March on Sacramento armed and overthrow the State Government?
Ignore the laws and become poster children for the Bradys?
And also, what would you do if you lived here?
Run away?
Abandon all that you've worked for, your family, your house, your job and flee?
Seriously, many talk about how no one fights and how bravely they defend their rights but when faced with a difficult, uphill battle the suggestion is to run away with your tail between your legs?
Abandon the fight and the field to those who would piecemeal our Constitution?
So what happens when all the gun owners leave California and the ones who were left, who feel they have scored a massive victory, come to your State?
Where will you run then?
How many times will you move, or more aptly, be driven from your home?
Some of you want to abandon the field and run away, some want to charge blindly in to the machinegun nest, neither route leads to victory.
So what is your other option?
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by Kestryll
Ahh this again, Cali-bashing for fun and no profit.
Come back with a better attitude, we'll talk.
So you don't have an answer, any valid response or even an acknowledgment of the questions is what I am hearing.
So a glib comment advocating 'a better attitude' coming from one who usesrude comments, insults and dismissive behavior to avoid actually answering a question.
I think you've answered my questions more clearly then you realize.
To those advocating armed rebellion and screaming about the unconstitutionality of firearms laws, I ask this, Where and how do you purchase your firearms? Are all your transactions done face to face with no paper trail? Do you build your own firearms in your basement? Or do you accquire your firearms through a FFL, filling out the 4473 along the way? Do you possess a CCW from your county/state? Basically, do you conform to the firearms laws in your state? I suspect you do.
So your bravado in advocating violent overthrow of the government or extreme civil disobedience is exposing you for what you are, all bark, no bite.
California gun owners are working hard fighting against a tough and determined enemy. We are making headway, in small steps, eliminating the insane tangle of firearms laws in this state. The stack of cards will tumble eventually, it takes time, patience and intelligence to put these laws to death, permanently. Done wrong, without forthought, planning, schemeing, gaming, examining every angle and every possible conclusion can do nothing but come back to bite. If allowed, the antis will find holes and use them against us, just as we have found holes in thier hastily concocted laws, to enact harsher and greater encompassing restrictions to our rights as Americans to keep and bear arms.
Its insane to see that there are so many out there who call themselves patriots who refuse to support those in the trenches. There are folks in California who do more in a day for YOUR firearms rights, than you have done in your lifetime. Berating and attempting to shun and dismiss Californians for what they are suffering does nothing but give fuel to the enemy.
So keep on disregarding the plight of California gun owners, and while your at it, write another check to the Bradys, thier divide and conquer tactics are working... with your help of course.
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by camopaint
To those advocating armed rebellion and screaming about the unconstitutionality of firearms laws
Besides you nobody has suggested it so far.
I think I will remove myself from further discussion with these insects.
You have nothing of value you have added to this conversation. Just constantly attempting to dismiss California gun owners. You my friend, are the problem. You have ran and hid, and left your compadres to fight for you. Where Im from, we have a word for that and place for them to reside.
You are showing your true colors as a divider. One who wishes to split factions, to weaken your opponent. I question your motives my friend, your actions are falling right in line with the antis, you are giving support to the Bradys in your attempt to disarm a segment of the population. You may have some fooled sir, but I see you for who you really are....
You have nothing of value you have added to this conversation. Just constantly attempting to dismiss California gun owners. You my friend, are the problem. You have ran and hid, and left your compadres to fight for you. Where Im from, we have a word for that and place for them to reside.
You are showing your true colors as a divider. One who wishes to split factions, to weaken your opponent. I question your motives my friend, your actions are falling right in line with the antis, you are giving support to the Bradys in your attempt to disarm a segment of the population. You may have some fooled sir, but I see you for who you really are....
QED once again. "Crazy", "divider", blah-blah-blah.
Mind though, I lost count of how many times I have asked these "gun owners" and fighters for all of our freedoms my very so simple question(s) and am yet to hear the answers. I hope I don't need to go into detail explaining what that means.
USA
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 10:26:54 PM
To those advocating armed rebellion and screaming about the unconstitutionality of firearms laws, I ask this, Where and how do you purchase your firearms? Are all your transactions done face to face with no paper trail? Do you build your own firearms in your basement? Or do you accquire your firearms through a FFL, filling out the 4473 along the way? Do you possess a CCW from your county/state? Basically, do you conform to the firearms laws in your state? I suspect you do.
So your bravado in advocating violent overthrow of the government or extreme civil disobedience is exposing you for what you are, all bark, no bite.
I will try, one more time, to explain reality.
Obey ALL laws, today.
Withdraw from the political process...ADMIT that you have LOST. You ALREADY are a slave ...quite denying it.
Prepare yourself and your family for hard times. GROW A SET OF BALLS..and defend the Constitution and this country, when it is time.
Meanwhile ...PLEASE stop sniveling like a little girl about your fears over men talking about the Second Amendment..the REAL one...not the bent-over-a-barrel kind you boys enjoy out there.
I will try, one more time, to explain reality.
Obey ALL laws, today.
Withdraw from the political process...ADMIT that you have LOST. You ALREADY are a slave ...quite denying it.
Prepare yourself and your family for hard times. GROW A SET OF BALLS..and defend the Constitution and this country, when it is time.
Meanwhile ...PLEASE stop sniveling like a little girl about your fears over men talking about the Second Amendment..the REAL one...not the bent-over-a-barrel kind you boys enjoy out there.
How about a pinned up topic or even a webpage with the full text of "Highball's Manifesto"? I have sort of made it out over time what you stand for, but many new comers would benefit from a few page document explaining what it's all about and save themselves the confusion and embarrassment.
USA
2 Posts
Posted - 01/12/2009 : 10:26:54 PM
To those advocating armed rebellion and screaming about the unconstitutionality of firearms laws, I ask this, Where and how do you purchase your firearms? Are all your transactions done face to face with no paper trail? Do you build your own firearms in your basement? Or do you accquire your firearms through a FFL, filling out the 4473 along the way? Do you possess a CCW from your county/state? Basically, do you conform to the firearms laws in your state? I suspect you do.
So your bravado in advocating violent overthrow of the government or extreme civil disobedience is exposing you for what you are, all bark, no bite.
I will try, one more time, to explain reality.
Obey ALL laws, today.
Withdraw from the political process...ADMIT that you have LOST. You ALREADY are a slave ...quite denying it.
Prepare yourself and your family for hard times. GROW A SET OF BALLS..and defend the Constitution and this country, when it is time.
Meanwhile ...PLEASE stop sniveling like a little girl about your fears over men talking about the Second Amendment..the REAL one...not the bent-over-a-barrel kind you boys enjoy out there.
As expected.
Surrender.
Give up.
Retreat.
Take the coward's way out.
I wish I could say I was surprised but real men don't lie.
Surrender.
Give up.
Retreat.
Take the coward's way out.
I wish I could say I was surprised but real men don't lie.
As expected: mental capacity of a 4 year old. [:D]
This is way too funny, I mean, I know it's late, blah-blah, but this epic failure to comprehend a simple concept described in native tongue, nothing less of epic failure. [:D]
Imagine now trying to educate/convince a dozen of these, then a few dozen, etc.
I might have some ideas on how to accomplish some of the reeducation but it requires such a great deal of commitment that I think it's easier to just stick to your guns, pun kinda intended, and wait it out. These will end up subjects anyways, they'll never make it to be citizens.
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If there are indeed gun owners ..even a few ..in California that actually embrace the Constitution and Bill of Rights EXACTLY as written...I will cease my highly vocal objections to sending anymore weapons there.
Highball,
Here's proof that more than a few CalGunners are supportive of your 2A views. Can we count on your support?
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=143962
quote:Originally posted by Highball
If there are indeed gun owners ..even a few ..in California that actually embrace the Constitution and Bill of Rights EXACTLY as written...I will cease my highly vocal objections to sending anymore weapons there.
Highball,
Here's proof that more than a few CalGunners are supportive of your 2A views. Can we count on your support?
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=143962
Only reading the FIRST page of responses, your poll isn't accurate to posted responses. Only one or two were totally serious about no restrictions.
You won't find me advocating ANY laws/restictions/ect for firearms OR ammo. Hell, even one guy supposedly advocated NO laws, then in the same breath advocated a law for age requirement. Either those people are unable to process the question, or they enjoy talking from BOTH sides of their mouth.
Oh thats right because I will not sit on my hands and do nothing. Short of taking up arm vs. my own Gov. even though some on there [:o)] think thats the only way.
Having an argument on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics. Even if you win your still retarded.
Why are we at Calguns even trying then. [B)] I guess we should just give in as you have and wait till the revolution???
Oh thats right because I will not sit on my hands and do nothing. Short of taking up arm vs. my own Gov. even though some on there [:o)] think thats the only way.
Having an argument on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics. Even if you win your still retarded.
What have you on calguns have done? Concrete cases please where calgun or CA "gun owners" have overturned a single piece of CA gun control legislation.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
If there are indeed gun owners ..even a few ..in California that actually embrace the Constitution and Bill of Rights EXACTLY as written...I will cease my highly vocal objections to sending anymore weapons there.
Highball,
Here's proof that more than a few CalGunners are supportive of your 2A views. Can we count on your support?
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=143962
54.47% support gun control. any more questions?
Yeah how many felons do you want to have buying guns from a FFL in your state?
Well, I want every person, whom has been released, to be able to buy a gun from ANY store that chooses to sell them. FFL's are unconstitutional and so is trivially taking away a freeperson's RIGHTS.
Why are we at Calguns even trying then. [B)] I guess we should just give in as you have and wait till the revolution???
Oh thats right because I will not sit on my hands and do nothing. Short of taking up arm vs. my own Gov. even though some on there [:o)] think thats the only way.
Having an argument on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics. Even if you win your still retarded.
Well, one of us MIGHT be in the special olympics, but it ain't me.
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck".
Fight for the sake of fighting, any not winning any battles, puts YOU on the losing side.
Change your tactics and WIN for once, would ya?
Yeah how many felons do you want to have buying guns from a FFL in your state?
What's a "felon" and what's "FFL" and what do these terms have to do with the US Constitution?
Note, once again, the main question to these trolls went ignored and unanswered. [:)]
quote:Originally posted by Deadred707
Why are we at Calguns even trying then. [B)] I guess we should just give in as you have and wait till the revolution???
Oh thats right because I will not sit on my hands and do nothing. Short of taking up arm vs. my own Gov. even though some on there [:o)] think thats the only way.
Having an argument on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics. Even if you win your still retarded.
Well, one of us MIGHT be in the special olympics, but it ain't me.
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck".
Fight for the sake of fighting, any not winning any battles, puts YOU on the losing side.
Change your tactics and WIN for once, would ya?
Your running 3rd right now.
quote:Originally posted by Deadred707
Yeah how many felons do you want to have buying guns from a FFL in your state?
What's a "felon" and what's "FFL" and what do these terms have to do with the US Constitution?
Note, once again, the main question to these trolls went ignored and unanswered. [:)]
Sure it went unanswered. I knew it, and so did you. These people are trying to get OUR money and support flowing into their cause.
It would be like me throwing money or vocal support to Sarah Brady, NO THANKS.
That is a bigger percentage then we get here, on General...every time we run the poll.
Perhaps it is time to think about this a bit.
Well, there appears to be 103 people out there ...40 %... That recognize the truth of the matter.
That is a bigger percentage then we get here, on General...every time we run the poll.
Perhaps it is time to think about this a bit.
Well, since this forum software doesn't allow to conduct polls internally, I don't think it's an accurate assessment. Besides, the questions on that poll are misleading. Polls don't give you an accurate picture of anything anyhow.
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by Deadred707
Yeah how many felons do you want to have buying guns from a FFL in your state?
What's a "felon" and what's "FFL" and what do these terms have to do with the US Constitution?
Note, once again, the main question to these trolls went ignored and unanswered. [:)]
Sure it went unanswered. I knew it, and so did you. These people are trying to get OUR money and support flowing into their cause.
It would be like me throwing money or vocal support to Sarah Brady, NO THANKS.
[:)] It's rather amusing.
I can't say that if the cause is 2A the way we see it it would be pointless, but once again, one needs to see results. "Resisting" and "fighting" without any results obviously isn't gonna do anything. They do have a fund and some lawyers and what not, but fighting a completely wrong cause, or rather fighting effect than cause, which is pointless waste of energy and resources. Don't see much dedication in that particular community either. Could be the lack of leadership though. Too many group pulling the blanket onto themselves, which is normal, maybe it isn't time yet.
Well, there appears to be 103 people out there ...40 %... That recognize the truth of the matter.
That is a bigger percentage then we get here, on General...every time we run the poll.
Perhaps it is time to think about this a bit.
Yes, many of us here are all fighting for the same cause. I'm glad that you now see the evidence of that.
James, it's "privilege". [:D]
pdq_wizzard: so all-n-all, you do belive in some "reasonable" gun control?
if we don't put to death the people that need to be, then yes "reasonable" gun control is ok with me, but like I has said in other posts, IF you already own a gun there is NO reason to have a waiting peroid!!!
Where does restricting a citizens rights, give ANY saftey to society? There is NO answer to that.
I would have to say that restricting A citezens rights when it comes to gun control our saftey goes down, the crimals don't give a crap about the law.
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
pdq_wizzard: so all-n-all, you do belive in some "reasonable" gun control?
if we don't put to death the people that need to be, then yes "reasonable" gun control is ok with me,
Thank you for clarifying it. You have much to learn.
quote:Originally posted by pdq_wizzard
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
pdq_wizzard: so all-n-all, you do belive in some "reasonable" gun control?
if we don't put to death the people that need to be, then yes "reasonable" gun control is ok with me,
Thank you for clarifying it. You have much to learn.
learn about what? the fact that we let people out of our jails that should never have seen the light of day? I still say there are people out there that should NEVER own a gun. (use a gun in a crime you can never have a gun)
learn about what?
Listening for one. Come back when you're ready.
Now this is what I'm talking about fight fire with fire [:D]
One needs to understand this :
I no longer believe that ANYBODY supporting gun control is fighting for MY cause.
That cause is the restoration of the Constitution, and specifically the Second Amendment.
There is a clear bright line between gun controllers...whom I consider to be criminally insane...and those demanding a return to Constitutional principles.
Not one dollar of my money NOR time will be directed towards an organization that contains gun controllers ...except to fight them on every front.
quote:Yes, many of us here are all fighting for the same cause. I'm glad that you now see the evidence of that.
One needs to understand this :
I no longer believe that ANYBODY supporting gun control is fighting for MY cause.
That cause is the restoration of the Constitution, and specifically the Second Amendment.
There is a clear bright line between gun controllers...whom I consider to be criminally insane...and those demanding a return to Constitutional principles.
Not one dollar of my money NOR time will be directed towards an organization that contains gun controllers ...except to fight them on every front.
Right around 40% of those that participated in my California poll support NO REGULATION. By your own admission, you stated:
"That is a bigger percentage then we get here, in General...every time we run the poll."
You stated:
"Not one dollar of my money NOR time will be directed towards an organization that contains gun controllers ...except to fight them on every front."
So by your logic, you should be boycotting GB and all of it's participants:
You previously posted this:
"If there are indeed gun owners ..even a few ..in California that actually embrace the Constitution and Bill of Rights EXACTLY as written...I will cease my highly vocal objections to sending anymore weapons there."
We have proven our stance to you. Will you be a man of honor and accept your brothers in California?
Is there some particular reason for you bouncing this thread to the top every little bit ?
Not complaining, here...but seeing aberrant behavior leads one to ask "why".
Perhaps I was right, after all, the first time. Reading skills appear to be a sometime thing, in certain people.
I felt this answer deserved its OWN thread...and posted it. Perhaps you could take a moment and actually read it.
These people are trying to get OUR money and support flowing into their cause.
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We're not asking you for money and the support we're asking for is to be sold the supplies we need.
quote:Originally posted by freemind
These people are trying to get OUR money and support flowing into their cause.
We're not asking you for money and the support we're asking for is to be sold the supplies we need.
[/quote]
YOU people elected the trash that makes your laws. Fix the laws, and you return the freeflow of goods. Don't cry and whine when sellers refuse to jump through MORE hoops, and open themselves up to possible litigation in the future.
As Don has suggested earlier, you people have NOT even used all the tools at your disposal. You talk a good game, but I can see through the Bullsnit.
Quick question for those claiming that California gun owners are doing nothing or should be written off.
What is YOUR suggestion for what should be done?
March on Sacramento armed and overthrow the State Government?
Ignore the laws and become poster children for the Bradys?
And also, what would you do if you lived here?
Run away?
Abandon all that you've worked for, your family, your house, your job and flee?
Seriously, many talk about how no one fights and how bravely they defend their rights but when faced with a difficult, uphill battle the suggestion is to run away with your tail between your legs?
Abandon the fight and the field to those who would piecemeal our Constitution?
So what happens when all the gun owners leave California and the ones who were left, who feel they have scored a massive victory, come to your State?
Where will you run then?
How many times will you move, or more aptly, be driven from your home?
Some of you want to abandon the field and run away, some want to charge blindly in to the machinegun nest, neither route leads to victory.
So what is your other option?
Ahh this again, Cali-bashing for fun and no profit.
Come back with a better attitude, we'll talk.
quote:Originally posted by Kestryll
Ahh this again, Cali-bashing for fun and no profit.
Come back with a better attitude, we'll talk.
So you don't have an answer, any valid response or even an acknowledgment of the questions is what I am hearing.
So a glib comment advocating 'a better attitude' coming from one who usesrude comments, insults and dismissive behavior to avoid actually answering a question.
I think you've answered my questions more clearly then you realize.
So your bravado in advocating violent overthrow of the government or extreme civil disobedience is exposing you for what you are, all bark, no bite.
California gun owners are working hard fighting against a tough and determined enemy. We are making headway, in small steps, eliminating the insane tangle of firearms laws in this state. The stack of cards will tumble eventually, it takes time, patience and intelligence to put these laws to death, permanently. Done wrong, without forthought, planning, schemeing, gaming, examining every angle and every possible conclusion can do nothing but come back to bite. If allowed, the antis will find holes and use them against us, just as we have found holes in thier hastily concocted laws, to enact harsher and greater encompassing restrictions to our rights as Americans to keep and bear arms.
Its insane to see that there are so many out there who call themselves patriots who refuse to support those in the trenches. There are folks in California who do more in a day for YOUR firearms rights, than you have done in your lifetime. Berating and attempting to shun and dismiss Californians for what they are suffering does nothing but give fuel to the enemy.
So keep on disregarding the plight of California gun owners, and while your at it, write another check to the Bradys, thier divide and conquer tactics are working... with your help of course.
To those advocating armed rebellion and screaming about the unconstitutionality of firearms laws
Besides you nobody has suggested it so far.
I think I will remove myself from further discussion with these insects.
quote:Originally posted by camopaint
To those advocating armed rebellion and screaming about the unconstitutionality of firearms laws
Besides you nobody has suggested it so far.
I think I will remove myself from further discussion with these insects.
You have nothing of value you have added to this conversation. Just constantly attempting to dismiss California gun owners. You my friend, are the problem. You have ran and hid, and left your compadres to fight for you. Where Im from, we have a word for that and place for them to reside.
You are showing your true colors as a divider. One who wishes to split factions, to weaken your opponent. I question your motives my friend, your actions are falling right in line with the antis, you are giving support to the Bradys in your attempt to disarm a segment of the population. You may have some fooled sir, but I see you for who you really are....
You have nothing of value you have added to this conversation. Just constantly attempting to dismiss California gun owners. You my friend, are the problem. You have ran and hid, and left your compadres to fight for you. Where Im from, we have a word for that and place for them to reside.
You are showing your true colors as a divider. One who wishes to split factions, to weaken your opponent. I question your motives my friend, your actions are falling right in line with the antis, you are giving support to the Bradys in your attempt to disarm a segment of the population. You may have some fooled sir, but I see you for who you really are....
QED once again. "Crazy", "divider", blah-blah-blah.
Mind though, I lost count of how many times I have asked these "gun owners" and fighters for all of our freedoms my very so simple question(s) and am yet to hear the answers. I hope I don't need to go into detail explaining what that means.
USA
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 10:26:54 PM
To those advocating armed rebellion and screaming about the unconstitutionality of firearms laws, I ask this, Where and how do you purchase your firearms? Are all your transactions done face to face with no paper trail? Do you build your own firearms in your basement? Or do you accquire your firearms through a FFL, filling out the 4473 along the way? Do you possess a CCW from your county/state? Basically, do you conform to the firearms laws in your state? I suspect you do.
So your bravado in advocating violent overthrow of the government or extreme civil disobedience is exposing you for what you are, all bark, no bite.
I will try, one more time, to explain reality.
Obey ALL laws, today.
Withdraw from the political process...ADMIT that you have LOST. You ALREADY are a slave ...quite denying it.
Prepare yourself and your family for hard times. GROW A SET OF BALLS..and defend the Constitution and this country, when it is time.
Meanwhile ...PLEASE stop sniveling like a little girl about your fears over men talking about the Second Amendment..the REAL one...not the bent-over-a-barrel kind you boys enjoy out there.
I will try, one more time, to explain reality.
Obey ALL laws, today.
Withdraw from the political process...ADMIT that you have LOST. You ALREADY are a slave ...quite denying it.
Prepare yourself and your family for hard times. GROW A SET OF BALLS..and defend the Constitution and this country, when it is time.
Meanwhile ...PLEASE stop sniveling like a little girl about your fears over men talking about the Second Amendment..the REAL one...not the bent-over-a-barrel kind you boys enjoy out there.
How about a pinned up topic or even a webpage with the full text of "Highball's Manifesto"? I have sort of made it out over time what you stand for, but many new comers would benefit from a few page document explaining what it's all about and save themselves the confusion and embarrassment.
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USA
2 Posts
Posted - 01/12/2009 : 10:26:54 PM
To those advocating armed rebellion and screaming about the unconstitutionality of firearms laws, I ask this, Where and how do you purchase your firearms? Are all your transactions done face to face with no paper trail? Do you build your own firearms in your basement? Or do you accquire your firearms through a FFL, filling out the 4473 along the way? Do you possess a CCW from your county/state? Basically, do you conform to the firearms laws in your state? I suspect you do.
So your bravado in advocating violent overthrow of the government or extreme civil disobedience is exposing you for what you are, all bark, no bite.
I will try, one more time, to explain reality.
Obey ALL laws, today.
Withdraw from the political process...ADMIT that you have LOST. You ALREADY are a slave ...quite denying it.
Prepare yourself and your family for hard times. GROW A SET OF BALLS..and defend the Constitution and this country, when it is time.
Meanwhile ...PLEASE stop sniveling like a little girl about your fears over men talking about the Second Amendment..the REAL one...not the bent-over-a-barrel kind you boys enjoy out there.
As expected.
Surrender.
Give up.
Retreat.
Take the coward's way out.
I wish I could say I was surprised but real men don't lie.
As expected.
Surrender.
Give up.
Retreat.
Take the coward's way out.
I wish I could say I was surprised but real men don't lie.
As expected: mental capacity of a 4 year old. [:D]
This is way too funny, I mean, I know it's late, blah-blah, but this epic failure to comprehend a simple concept described in native tongue, nothing less of epic failure. [:D]
Imagine now trying to educate/convince a dozen of these, then a few dozen, etc.
I might have some ideas on how to accomplish some of the reeducation but it requires such a great deal of commitment that I think it's easier to just stick to your guns, pun kinda intended, and wait it out. These will end up subjects anyways, they'll never make it to be citizens.