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2 Posts
Posted - 01/12/2009 : 10:26:54 PM
To those advocating armed rebellion and screaming about the unconstitutionality of firearms laws, I ask this, Where and how do you purchase your firearms? Are all your transactions done face to face with no paper trail? Do you build your own firearms in your basement? Or do you accquire your firearms through a FFL, filling out the 4473 along the way? Do you possess a CCW from your county/state? Basically, do you conform to the firearms laws in your state? I suspect you do.
So your bravado in advocating violent overthrow of the government or extreme civil disobedience is exposing you for what you are, all bark, no bite.
I will try, one more time, to explain reality.
Obey ALL laws, today.
Withdraw from the political process...ADMIT that you have LOST. You ALREADY are a slave ...quite denying it.
Prepare yourself and your family for hard times. GROW A SET OF BALLS..and defend the Constitution and this country, when it is time.
Meanwhile ...PLEASE stop sniveling like a little girl about your fears over men talking about the Second Amendment..the REAL one...not the bent-over-a-barrel kind you boys enjoy out there.
Withdrawl from the process? No sir. We will follow the process until the bitter end, and when that end comes, will follow through with the rest of process.
Soap box, ballot box, cartridge box.
To quit at any time makes the next step illegitimate.
I dont quit, I dont surrender, I fight with all means avalible. Quitting and admitting defeat is the stuff of yellow coward sunshine patriots.
Gentlemen, we see here who we are dealing with. Those who claim to be pure supporters from behind the keyboard are showing thier true colors.
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by Kestryll
As expected.
Surrender.
Give up.
Retreat.
Take the coward's way out.
I wish I could say I was surprised but real men don't lie.
As expected: mental capacity of a 4 year old. [:D]
This is way too funny, I mean, I know it's late, blah-blah, but this epic failure to comprehend a simple concept described in native tongue, nothing less of epic failure. [:D]
Imagine now trying to educate/convince a dozen of these, then a few dozen, etc.
I might have some ideas on how to accomplish some of the reeducation but it requires such a great deal of commitment that I think it's easier to just stick to your guns, pun kinda intended, and wait it out. These will end up subjects anyways, they'll never make it to be citizens.
Please enlighten me sir, what have YOU done to earn the title of citizen?
Please enlighten me sir, what have YOU done to earn the title of citizen?
How is it relevant? Nothing more again but an attack on character, which has nothing to do with the subject, other than calling you all on what you're incapable of, at least right now, maybe a few years will pass, you'll get it.
Withdrawl from the process? No sir. We will follow the process until the bitter end, and when that end comes, will follow through with the rest of process.
This has proven to be ineffective. Over and over and over again. You obviously just got out of your diapers and bought your first gun, found out about that there is such a law as 2A and all out there: "young, dumb and full of *", absolutely disregarding the paths others have walked and learned by long before you were able to piss standing on your two own feet.
Oh, forgive me the Interwebz Gods, I am just farting in the wind, ain't I?
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by Kestryll
As expected.
Surrender.
Give up.
Retreat.
Take the coward's way out.
I wish I could say I was surprised but real men don't lie.
As expected: mental capacity of a 4 year old. [:D]
As expected, no sensible reply so you revert to childish retorts.
Sad, really.
This is way too funny, I mean, I know it's late, blah-blah, but this epic failure to comprehend a simple concept described in native tongue, nothing less of epic failure. [:D]
The epic failure to understand rational discourse, if your dreams of a 'shooting match' ever do come true I'd lay odds that you'll be one of the first to go down.
Not in a 'blaze of glory'.
Not standing for what is right.
But in an act of supreme idiocy and futility.
Ahh well, you'll be mourned and forgotten and then people who know how to discuss, plan and work together will actually do what you claim to want to do.
Imagine now trying to educate/convince a dozen of these, then a few dozen, etc.
I might have some ideas on how to accomplish some of the reeducation but it requires such a great deal of commitment that I think it's easier to just stick to your guns, pun kinda intended, and wait it out. These will end up subjects anyways, they'll never make it to be citizens.
And again, "I could do something but...."
Yeah, as expected.
You talk a good game, I'll give you that.
Withdrawl from the process? No sir. We will follow the process until the bitter end,
here's the problem, every time you accept a new infringement, you have moved the finish line. At what point do you quit trying to get to their finish line using their rules? Don't you see that it is pointless to do this over and over and over and over.....
Allowing it to continue at a snails pace only leaves it your children to deal with the problem we made, if slaves have any way at their dosposal to deal with it. They have already gone wayyyy too far, but have done it so slowly that it is accepted. 2 processes at work here:
the frog on the boiling pot (the enemy offense)
and the definition of insanity.(our worthless defense)
I am a lifelong resident of California and will tell you that all firearms regulations fly in the face of the founders intent. The founders intended for any freeman the right to protect themselves, their families and their country from all enemies foreign and domestic with the tools necessary to effectively achieve that goal. That is pretty clear to me and is about as clear an answer as I can give.
I believe there are very few of us firearms owners that are not hypocritical in one form or another. ANYONE that; acquires an FFL (of any type), uses an FFL for firearms purchases, fills out a 4473, registers a suppressor/SBS/SBR/etc, registered their pre '86 machine guns, etc. etc. etc is a little hypocritical. I will attest I have done at least one of those even though my beliefs are what they are.
Is there anyone that has posted to this thread advocating moving from California, overthrowing our legislature, repealing every gun law on the books in California, marching on Sacramento with rifles in hand that can stand up and shout, "I am one of those few!"
Is there anyone that has posted to this thread advocating moving from California, overthrowing our legislature, repealing every gun law on the books in California, marching on Sacramento with rifles in hand that can stand up and shout, "I am one of those few!"
What good would it do? For one, it'll be challenged, secondly, it is very much irrelevant. And third, nobody is advocating anything of the sort.
Welcome to the forum, looks like you have a lot more sense than your predecessors.
quote:Anyone care to address the same situation in Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, and New York and the injustice of gun rights in those states?
From my personal observations, they, in their abject humiliation of surrender, do not come whining and begging us to obey their insane laws.
Just as I, as of yet, chose to live within the framework of NICs checks, and such, THEY chose to live within the confines of whatever is passed by their State...and mostly shut up about it.
Had the california invasion over here been loudly denouncing ALL gun laws .they would have received a sympathetic ear from me.
They did not do so...and they didn't get what they wanted.
I chose to legally fight the illegal gun laws passed by my State and Federal Gov't by all means. I will not sit idly by and wait for someone else to do the fighting for me. There may well come a time when the only solution is the one our founding fathers used.
If you won't fight now can you be counted upon to fight then?
quote:If you won't fight now can you be counted upon to fight then?
You cannot know for sure.
Understand this ;
I do not chose to fight a battle that is lost through the corruption of the enemy.
He uses YOUR strengths against you... and coupled with his evil...you are beat.
Your decency, your belief that he (politicians ) are basically decent also, that their agenda somehow, if you could but see it, MUST be good for America....all that hamstrings you.
Your decent into the pit of vipers...for surely, you MUST do that to fight them today ..weakens your resolve and destroys your spirit. Dealing with evil peacefully warps the soul... for we are not God.
I will chose my battleground. AFTER the enemy has made it painfully clear to even the most obtuse among us where he is going with his agenda.
It is irrelevant whether you believe I will do this, or will do that, or something else...for I don't exist to please you nor prove anything at all to you ... save for the true meaning of the Second Amendment.
If I accomplish that ONE thing... another American will know what to do when it is time. They will know what to do because the Founders TAUGHT us what to do to tyrants.
I'm a resident of California and I just saw this thread today so forgive me for being late.
There is a good mix of intelligence and arm chair warriors popping off in what I have read.
To those who talk tough and call us wimps, I say wait till our new president puts the same regulations in place nationwide (or something worse, God forbid)and I'll wait for the promised fireworks. Something tells me I'll be waiting awhile.
To those who don't want to do business with Californians for whatever reason (and there are some reasonable ones) I say fine and good luck to you. If you get some kind of perverse pleasure in doing so I feel sorry for you. The shooting community should be a brotherhood. We will need each other soon enough.
No doubt the vacuum created by those sellers who abandoned us will be filled by others who realize what a large market share of the business this imperfect state has.
quote:arm chair warriors popping off in what I have read.
To those who talk tough and call us wimps,
How very special.
ANOTHER califonia native heard from...and ANOTHER califonia native that has not the slightest CLUE about what the Constitution and BOR says.
This is the guy that wants us to 'stand together'...him in his cesspool, and me to wade off into it with him.
Sorta like throwing him a rope (the Bill of Rights) and he does his level best to anchor his feet and drag his rescuer into the cesspool alongside him.
In his pathetic, emasculated world of pigmies of men, any that mention that the BOR is worth fighting for is an 'armchair warriour'...such a sad thing has happened to that foreign state, california...
Mr."Highball",
If you can come to the conclusion that I have no understanding of mans natural rights, some of which happen to be enumerated in the BOR, based solely on my posting you are obtuse in the extreme.
Keep your "rope". I have my own. Help and goodwill from others in our community is appreciated but not required.
quote:Originally posted by Bignick
I'm a resident of California and I just saw this thread today so forgive me for being late.
There is a good mix of intelligence and arm chair warriors popping off in what I have read.
To those who talk tough and call us wimps, I say wait till our new president puts the same regulations in place nationwide (or something worse, God forbid)and I'll wait for the promised fireworks. Something tells me I'll be waiting awhile.
To those who don't want to do business with Californians for whatever reason (and there are some reasonable ones) I say fine and good luck to you. If you get some kind of perverse pleasure in doing so I feel sorry for you. The shooting community should be a brotherhood. We will need each other soon enough.
No doubt the vacuum created by those sellers who abandoned us will be filled by others who realize what a large market share of the business this imperfect state has.
Obama is just the Johnny-come-lately in the dismantling of the BOR. We need to get all of the RATS out of Sac. befor we get pushed out on the cliff even more. There may soon come the day when the OBCA and the like will stand with us but only if we show some backbone and finaly say I WILL NO LONGER LIVE UNDER THIS F-ed UP STATES LAWS THAT TAKE AWAY MY RIGHTS GIVEN TO ME BY THE BOR!!!
I will stand with my brothers anywhere, anytime, anyplace.
My brothers understand the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
They FULLY understand that the Second BARS government from interfering with weapons in the hands of Citizens.
I stand with them in spirit, today...I will stand with them when it is time to go to the wall.
Meanwhile, MANY of us will be hurt...ALL across this Nation. Those men MUST be hurt by the Beast...so that ALL may know the caliber of the Evil we face.
There WILL be a day......
There will come a day when even the Fudds understand that the gun laws that we have, and the ones that are to come are ONLY about removing firearms from the law abiding and have nothing to do with crime or criminal behaviour. Whether your from Kali or my neck of the woods, The Peoples Republic of NY, clarity will come. Will it be too late to rectify by peaceful means? As to that, I can't say for certain, but I recall hearing something about a tree of liberty being watered in the blood of patriots and tyrants so I won't hold my breath waiting for those in power to cease the never ending assualt on the BOR.
To paraphrase what one of our nations founders once said regarding the second amendment "it won't be needed until they try to take it".
Highball: You are right on with your last post.The storm is coming.Could be next week,next year or decade.My only prayer is that it comes on my watch and not my sons.(But he'll be ready if the bell goes while he's in the ring)
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Posted - 01/30/2009 : 12:28:08 AM
Highball: You are right on with your last post.The storm is coming.Could be next week,next year or decade.My only prayer is that it comes on my watch and not my sons.(But he'll be ready if the bell goes while he's in the ring)
Too bad we MUST shift SOOOO much garbage to get to the real jewels out there.
I would NEVER address another such as several of the above posters...if there weren't an occasional, fully functioning, intelligent human being scattered here and there.
The 3 %.
Rather would I stand with ONE such as yourself, as a thousand of the back-biting nits that infest America from sea to shining sea.
Who cares if they won't ship to California, I just buy from someone who does. There are still people who will. It sucks but it's the way it is. I don't want to support someone with a mindset like that anyways.
quote:Originally posted by Colinruss
Who cares if they won't ship to California, I just buy from someone who does. There are still people who will. It sucks but it's the way it is. I don't want to support someone with a mindset like that anyways.
Its funny to me how they vote these clowns into office, then they enact unConstitutional laws. Next, they become angry at the rest of America who wont put up with their fuzzy wuzzy crap.
I wish the day would come, when ammo makers, and gun makers would totally cut that state off. That includes their LE agencies.
quote:Originally posted by Beeramid
Its funny to me how they vote these clowns into office, then they enact unConstitutional laws. Next, they become angry at the rest of America who wont put up with their fuzzy wuzzy crap.
I wish the day would come, when ammo makers, and gun makers would totally cut that state off. That includes their LE agencies.
There are still a few of us out here (Kali) that belive in the BoR to the letter. I did not vote for these clowns and never will. I belive the Constitution is a unmoveable force that was put in place to allow the people of this great nation to wipe the slate clean of tyrants by force if need be, as we see fit.(hopfuly sooner than later) I will not give up my plot of land I have worked so damm hard to make mine, just because there are oppressive rulers in Sac. and D.C. If cutting off this state is what gets it to change than so be it. I'll suport what ever it takes.
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USA
2 Posts
Posted - 01/12/2009 : 10:26:54 PM
To those advocating armed rebellion and screaming about the unconstitutionality of firearms laws, I ask this, Where and how do you purchase your firearms? Are all your transactions done face to face with no paper trail? Do you build your own firearms in your basement? Or do you accquire your firearms through a FFL, filling out the 4473 along the way? Do you possess a CCW from your county/state? Basically, do you conform to the firearms laws in your state? I suspect you do.
So your bravado in advocating violent overthrow of the government or extreme civil disobedience is exposing you for what you are, all bark, no bite.
I will try, one more time, to explain reality.
Obey ALL laws, today.
Withdraw from the political process...ADMIT that you have LOST. You ALREADY are a slave ...quite denying it.
Prepare yourself and your family for hard times. GROW A SET OF BALLS..and defend the Constitution and this country, when it is time.
Meanwhile ...PLEASE stop sniveling like a little girl about your fears over men talking about the Second Amendment..the REAL one...not the bent-over-a-barrel kind you boys enjoy out there.
Withdrawl from the process? No sir. We will follow the process until the bitter end, and when that end comes, will follow through with the rest of process.
Soap box, ballot box, cartridge box.
To quit at any time makes the next step illegitimate.
I dont quit, I dont surrender, I fight with all means avalible. Quitting and admitting defeat is the stuff of yellow coward sunshine patriots.
Gentlemen, we see here who we are dealing with. Those who claim to be pure supporters from behind the keyboard are showing thier true colors.
quote:Originally posted by Kestryll
As expected.
Surrender.
Give up.
Retreat.
Take the coward's way out.
I wish I could say I was surprised but real men don't lie.
As expected: mental capacity of a 4 year old. [:D]
This is way too funny, I mean, I know it's late, blah-blah, but this epic failure to comprehend a simple concept described in native tongue, nothing less of epic failure. [:D]
Imagine now trying to educate/convince a dozen of these, then a few dozen, etc.
I might have some ideas on how to accomplish some of the reeducation but it requires such a great deal of commitment that I think it's easier to just stick to your guns, pun kinda intended, and wait it out. These will end up subjects anyways, they'll never make it to be citizens.
Please enlighten me sir, what have YOU done to earn the title of citizen?
Please enlighten me sir, what have YOU done to earn the title of citizen?
How is it relevant? Nothing more again but an attack on character, which has nothing to do with the subject, other than calling you all on what you're incapable of, at least right now, maybe a few years will pass, you'll get it.
Withdrawl from the process? No sir. We will follow the process until the bitter end, and when that end comes, will follow through with the rest of process.
This has proven to be ineffective. Over and over and over again. You obviously just got out of your diapers and bought your first gun, found out about that there is such a law as 2A and all out there: "young, dumb and full of *", absolutely disregarding the paths others have walked and learned by long before you were able to piss standing on your two own feet.
Oh, forgive me the Interwebz Gods, I am just farting in the wind, ain't I?
quote:Originally posted by Kestryll
As expected.
Surrender.
Give up.
Retreat.
Take the coward's way out.
I wish I could say I was surprised but real men don't lie.
As expected: mental capacity of a 4 year old. [:D]
As expected, no sensible reply so you revert to childish retorts.
Sad, really.
This is way too funny, I mean, I know it's late, blah-blah, but this epic failure to comprehend a simple concept described in native tongue, nothing less of epic failure. [:D]
The epic failure to understand rational discourse, if your dreams of a 'shooting match' ever do come true I'd lay odds that you'll be one of the first to go down.
Not in a 'blaze of glory'.
Not standing for what is right.
But in an act of supreme idiocy and futility.
Ahh well, you'll be mourned and forgotten and then people who know how to discuss, plan and work together will actually do what you claim to want to do.
Imagine now trying to educate/convince a dozen of these, then a few dozen, etc.
I might have some ideas on how to accomplish some of the reeducation but it requires such a great deal of commitment that I think it's easier to just stick to your guns, pun kinda intended, and wait it out. These will end up subjects anyways, they'll never make it to be citizens.
And again, "I could do something but...."
Yeah, as expected.
You talk a good game, I'll give you that.
Withdrawl from the process? No sir. We will follow the process until the bitter end,
here's the problem, every time you accept a new infringement, you have moved the finish line. At what point do you quit trying to get to their finish line using their rules? Don't you see that it is pointless to do this over and over and over and over.....
Allowing it to continue at a snails pace only leaves it your children to deal with the problem we made, if slaves have any way at their dosposal to deal with it. They have already gone wayyyy too far, but have done it so slowly that it is accepted. 2 processes at work here:
the frog on the boiling pot (the enemy offense)
and the definition of insanity.(our worthless defense)
I believe there are very few of us firearms owners that are not hypocritical in one form or another. ANYONE that; acquires an FFL (of any type), uses an FFL for firearms purchases, fills out a 4473, registers a suppressor/SBS/SBR/etc, registered their pre '86 machine guns, etc. etc. etc is a little hypocritical. I will attest I have done at least one of those even though my beliefs are what they are.
Is there anyone that has posted to this thread advocating moving from California, overthrowing our legislature, repealing every gun law on the books in California, marching on Sacramento with rifles in hand that can stand up and shout, "I am one of those few!"
Is there anyone that has posted to this thread advocating moving from California, overthrowing our legislature, repealing every gun law on the books in California, marching on Sacramento with rifles in hand that can stand up and shout, "I am one of those few!"
What good would it do? For one, it'll be challenged, secondly, it is very much irrelevant. And third, nobody is advocating anything of the sort.
Welcome to the forum, looks like you have a lot more sense than your predecessors.
From my personal observations, they, in their abject humiliation of surrender, do not come whining and begging us to obey their insane laws.
Just as I, as of yet, chose to live within the framework of NICs checks, and such, THEY chose to live within the confines of whatever is passed by their State...and mostly shut up about it.
Had the california invasion over here been loudly denouncing ALL gun laws .they would have received a sympathetic ear from me.
They did not do so...and they didn't get what they wanted.
If you won't fight now can you be counted upon to fight then?
You cannot know for sure.
Understand this ;
I do not chose to fight a battle that is lost through the corruption of the enemy.
He uses YOUR strengths against you... and coupled with his evil...you are beat.
Your decency, your belief that he (politicians ) are basically decent also, that their agenda somehow, if you could but see it, MUST be good for America....all that hamstrings you.
Your decent into the pit of vipers...for surely, you MUST do that to fight them today ..weakens your resolve and destroys your spirit. Dealing with evil peacefully warps the soul... for we are not God.
I will chose my battleground. AFTER the enemy has made it painfully clear to even the most obtuse among us where he is going with his agenda.
It is irrelevant whether you believe I will do this, or will do that, or something else...for I don't exist to please you nor prove anything at all to you ... save for the true meaning of the Second Amendment.
If I accomplish that ONE thing... another American will know what to do when it is time. They will know what to do because the Founders TAUGHT us what to do to tyrants.
There is a good mix of intelligence and arm chair warriors popping off in what I have read.
To those who talk tough and call us wimps, I say wait till our new president puts the same regulations in place nationwide (or something worse, God forbid)and I'll wait for the promised fireworks. Something tells me I'll be waiting awhile.
To those who don't want to do business with Californians for whatever reason (and there are some reasonable ones) I say fine and good luck to you. If you get some kind of perverse pleasure in doing so I feel sorry for you. The shooting community should be a brotherhood. We will need each other soon enough.
No doubt the vacuum created by those sellers who abandoned us will be filled by others who realize what a large market share of the business this imperfect state has.
To those who talk tough and call us wimps,
How very special.
ANOTHER califonia native heard from...and ANOTHER califonia native that has not the slightest CLUE about what the Constitution and BOR says.
This is the guy that wants us to 'stand together'...him in his cesspool, and me to wade off into it with him.
Sorta like throwing him a rope (the Bill of Rights) and he does his level best to anchor his feet and drag his rescuer into the cesspool alongside him.
In his pathetic, emasculated world of pigmies of men, any that mention that the BOR is worth fighting for is an 'armchair warriour'...such a sad thing has happened to that foreign state, california...
If you can come to the conclusion that I have no understanding of mans natural rights, some of which happen to be enumerated in the BOR, based solely on my posting you are obtuse in the extreme.
Keep your "rope". I have my own. Help and goodwill from others in our community is appreciated but not required.
I'm a resident of California and I just saw this thread today so forgive me for being late.
There is a good mix of intelligence and arm chair warriors popping off in what I have read.
To those who talk tough and call us wimps, I say wait till our new president puts the same regulations in place nationwide (or something worse, God forbid)and I'll wait for the promised fireworks. Something tells me I'll be waiting awhile.
To those who don't want to do business with Californians for whatever reason (and there are some reasonable ones) I say fine and good luck to you. If you get some kind of perverse pleasure in doing so I feel sorry for you. The shooting community should be a brotherhood. We will need each other soon enough.
No doubt the vacuum created by those sellers who abandoned us will be filled by others who realize what a large market share of the business this imperfect state has.
Obama is just the Johnny-come-lately in the dismantling of the BOR. We need to get all of the RATS out of Sac. befor we get pushed out on the cliff even more. There may soon come the day when the OBCA and the like will stand with us but only if we show some backbone and finaly say I WILL NO LONGER LIVE UNDER THIS F-ed UP STATES LAWS THAT TAKE AWAY MY RIGHTS GIVEN TO ME BY THE BOR!!!
And yes I do live in this dam state too
My brothers understand the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
They FULLY understand that the Second BARS government from interfering with weapons in the hands of Citizens.
I stand with them in spirit, today...I will stand with them when it is time to go to the wall.
Meanwhile, MANY of us will be hurt...ALL across this Nation. Those men MUST be hurt by the Beast...so that ALL may know the caliber of the Evil we face.
There WILL be a day......
To paraphrase what one of our nations founders once said regarding the second amendment "it won't be needed until they try to take it".
Starting Member
11 Posts
Posted - 01/30/2009 : 12:28:08 AM
Highball: You are right on with your last post.The storm is coming.Could be next week,next year or decade.My only prayer is that it comes on my watch and not my sons.(But he'll be ready if the bell goes while he's in the ring)
Too bad we MUST shift SOOOO much garbage to get to the real jewels out there.
I would NEVER address another such as several of the above posters...if there weren't an occasional, fully functioning, intelligent human being scattered here and there.
The 3 %.
Rather would I stand with ONE such as yourself, as a thousand of the back-biting nits that infest America from sea to shining sea.
Who cares if they won't ship to California, I just buy from someone who does. There are still people who will. It sucks but it's the way it is. I don't want to support someone with a mindset like that anyways.
You go and bow to the beast then [V]
I wish the day would come, when ammo makers, and gun makers would totally cut that state off. That includes their LE agencies.
Its funny to me how they vote these clowns into office, then they enact unConstitutional laws. Next, they become angry at the rest of America who wont put up with their fuzzy wuzzy crap.
I wish the day would come, when ammo makers, and gun makers would totally cut that state off. That includes their LE agencies.
There are still a few of us out here (Kali) that belive in the BoR to the letter. I did not vote for these clowns and never will. I belive the Constitution is a unmoveable force that was put in place to allow the people of this great nation to wipe the slate clean of tyrants by force if need be, as we see fit.(hopfuly sooner than later) I will not give up my plot of land I have worked so damm hard to make mine, just because there are oppressive rulers in Sac. and D.C. If cutting off this state is what gets it to change than so be it. I'll suport what ever it takes.