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  • wsfiredudewsfiredude Member Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well then, pass this baby and send up the balloon.

    #1 in my sig


    Jp,

    Agree 100%, and my sig line is devoted to those who believe the odds may be overwhelming.[;)]
  • stevea2003stevea2003 Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I purely love one of the definitions of insanity ;

    Doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over...expecting different results.
    [/quote]

    Thank you Highball.

    You are absolutely correct.
    I am learning something very important here.
    Calling and writing letters is of no use.

    Once again thank you.
  • Canary ass no. 1Canary ass no. 1 Member Posts: 104 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Steve ;
    Please understand. I did not come to this rodeo fresh out of the womb.
    I too spent LOTS of time writing letters, editors, getting `good men elected to office'.

    All during that time I watched My America continue to swirl in ever tighter circles down the drain.
    There reached a point that I finally realized that we as a Nation had tipped over the crest...that there was no longer any hope in conventional means for redress of the evils we are seeing and living thru.

    I believe to the core of my being that the ONLY proper response today is to withdraw form the political process, gather supplies, and prepare yourself and your loved ones for a breakdown in society.

    Network with trusted friends of long standing, and spend some time talking over possibilities and probabilities.
  • stevea2003stevea2003 Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    C.A.1
    The country I love is turning into a third world. You see it everywhere. Especially on the coasts, both east and west.

    I would like to believe that it is fixable but I don't see how. With the new administration wanting to play robin hood and steal from the rich and give to the poor we are in serious danger. They are borrowing over three trillion dollars to create new and expanded programs for the poor. Most of the poor are poor due to their own fault. The government is enabling the propagation of the problem by paying for everything they need. Food stamps, health care, and subsidized housing are destroying our country.

    The gangs are increasing and becoming more brazen every day. The police are not able to do what needs to be done to fix the problems. The threat of lawsuits has destroyed what little control they ever had.

    Buffalobob made a comment that they fear the "I want a handout crowd". That is incorrect. They are trying to increase the members of that crowd. That is why in the next year or so they will naturalize all of the illegal aliens. They will dilute the numbers so we will really not have a say in what happens.

    Scary situation.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Steve ;
    Please do not make the fatal mistake of believing that somehow this is a `democrat' inspired problem.

    BOTH parties are complecent in the utter degradation of the ideals of America.

    I also do not believe the programs passed yesterday have much to do with `poor folks'.
    I think the money will end up exactly where the FIRST hundreds of billions went...into the pockets of the Elites. They are making their final run on America..looting the Treasury for their own private gains.

    I have one fervent prayer left.
    Please, Lord, allow these corrupted Elites to think that they have whipped the bedrock Americans left in this country. Allow them to think that there is nothing left out here but grafters, grifters, garbage, and the human debris that makes up Most of the population of America.

    Convince them to make their final play for total tyranny...SOON.
  • 1911 Gunslinger1911 Gunslinger Member Posts: 747 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Nothing is ever done in this world until men are prepared to kill one another if it is not done"
    George Bernard Shaw

    Just as we the people had to fight the redcoats to gain our independence and shake off the bonds of oppression and tyranny, we the people will have to fight the turncoats to keep what our forefathers paid so high a price for. Freedom is NOT free, it has been and will continue to be purchased by the blood of those who desire it. Someone once said, the secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage.
  • BignickBignick Member Posts: 20 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Convince them to make their final play for total tyranny...SOON.


    Highball: Well said.The enemy has been on the march for some time.They believe it will take just one more push to make their sick dreams a reality.They are assaulting the gate and are almost through.
    But I think they forgot who is on the other side of that gate.Their college degrees,high dollar cocktail parties and elitest attitudes have led them to believe that all are sheep waiting to be told what to do.Self-reliant,hard working people who carry guns are outside of their experience so they assume they don't exist.
    I think the look of surprise on their faces will be worth the price of admission.
  • Colonel PlinkColonel Plink Member Posts: 16,460
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by brickmaster1248
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    So in the CCRKBA spam mail I received on HR45, it said 2 years in, registration would be retroactive and that every gun in existence would have to be registered. I'm no lawyer, is this true?


    All i can tell them is "good luck with that!"[;)]


    They don't need luck. They've got Rebecca Peters' religious fervor and George Soros' money.

    It WILL happen. Soon. I am completely convinced of it and here's why...I have a co-worker who's a Union Democrat. He's also an avid shooter and gun owner. He looked at the entire text of HR 45, shrugged and sincerely proclaimed, "They'll never be able to do that."

    Taking a cue from some of you tin-foil hats (OKOKOKOK, Canary *) here on GunBroker, I told him, "Not all at once. The NRA will get it watered down just enough to be palatable. Remember, they've been working on this since 1968. They're patient. They'll chip away at it"
  • brickmaster1248brickmaster1248 Member Posts: 3,344
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
    quote:Originally posted by brickmaster1248
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    So in the CCRKBA spam mail I received on HR45, it said 2 years in, registration would be retroactive and that every gun in existence would have to be registered. I'm no lawyer, is this true?


    All i can tell them is "good luck with that!"[;)]


    They don't need luck. They've got Rebecca Peters' religious fervor and George Soros' money.

    It WILL happen. Soon. I am completely convinced of it and here's why...I have a co-worker who's a Union Democrat. He's also an avid shooter and gun owner. He looked at the entire text of HR 45, shrugged and sincerely proclaimed, "They'll never be able to do that."

    Taking a cue from some of you tin-foil hats (OKOKOKOK, Canary *) here on GunBroker, I told him, "Not all at once. The NRA will get it watered down just enough to be palatable. Remember, they've been working on this since 1968. They're patient. They'll chip away at it"


    I was making reference to mass civil disobediance.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    quote:Taking a cue from some of you tin-foil hats (OKOKOKOK, Canary *) here on GunBroker, I told him, "Not all at once. The NRA will get it watered down just enough to be palatable. Remember, they've been working on this since 1968. They're patient. They'll chip away at it"
    Sounds like the first step in enlightenment....[:D][:D]
  • Colonel PlinkColonel Plink Member Posts: 16,460
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by brickmaster1248
    quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
    quote:Originally posted by brickmaster1248
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    So in the CCRKBA spam mail I received on HR45, it said 2 years in, registration would be retroactive and that every gun in existence would have to be registered. I'm no lawyer, is this true?


    All i can tell them is "good luck with that!"[;)]


    They don't need luck. They've got Rebecca Peters' religious fervor and George Soros' money.

    It WILL happen. Soon. I am completely convinced of it and here's why...I have a co-worker who's a Union Democrat. He's also an avid shooter and gun owner. He looked at the entire text of HR 45, shrugged and sincerely proclaimed, "They'll never be able to do that."

    Taking a cue from some of you tin-foil hats (OKOKOKOK, Canary *) here on GunBroker, I told him, "Not all at once. The NRA will get it watered down just enough to be palatable. Remember, they've been working on this since 1968. They're patient. They'll chip away at it"


    I was making reference to mass civil disobediance.


    Oh.

    My bad.

    Just couldn't resist beating the drum, I guess. Been hanging around too many damn Aussies lately.[8D] Well, just one. But Dan Kelly is a powerfull orator.
  • Colonel PlinkColonel Plink Member Posts: 16,460
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    quote:Taking a cue from some of you tin-foil hats (OKOKOKOK, Canary *) here on GunBroker, I told him, "Not all at once. The NRA will get it watered down just enough to be palatable. Remember, they've been working on this since 1968. They're patient. They'll chip away at it"
    Sounds like the first step in enlightenment....[:D][:D]


    It's becoming depressngly obvious.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    quote:It's becoming depressngly obvious.

    I hate to always disagree...but depressed is not the answer here.

    We have IDENTIFIED one of the primary causes of gun control, now, and identifying the underlying cause of a disease is the first step in curing it.

    We here now need to draw together and formulate a real, firm plan to combat that disease.

    We are in that process today, as we debate the issue. Every day there is a new idea to look at, a different slant to the issue. Every day, another individual comes to his feet and decides that he is no longer a subject...One man at a time.

    We are hard upon a period that happens only once every several hundred years...the chance to once again advance the cause of freedom.

    The Elites are running wild ..and they think that the brass ring is just within their reach.

    We shall see.
  • Colonel PlinkColonel Plink Member Posts: 16,460
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    quote:It's becoming depressngly obvious.

    I hate to always disagree...but depressed is not the answer here.

    We have IDENTIFIED one of the primary causes of gun control, now, and identifying the underlying cause of a disease is the first step in curing it.

    We here now need to draw together and formulate a real, firm plan to combat that disease.

    We are in that process today, as we debate the issue. Every day there is a new idea to look at, a different slant to the issue. Every day, another individual comes to his feet and decides that he is no longer a subject...One man at a time.

    We are hard upon a period that happens only once every several hundred years...the chance to once again advance the cause of freedom.

    The Elites are running wild ..and they think that the brass ring is just within their reach.

    We shall see.



    I take a measure of hope in the thought that the lowest common denominator that got the current crop of thieves elected are a short-sighted bunch. When the pretty words and vague promises fail to produce anything but more confusion and weirdness, maybe they'll revolt, demanding their pathetic instant gratification.

    The problem there is that they'll probably just fall for the next round of sparkly ieas wrapped in brightly-colored tissue.

    The problem then is who is the next Ron Paul? Dare I hope for a re-invention of the Republican Party?

    I'd like to think that the firing of the whole hierarchy of the RNC is a good sign.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    It is good to have the Colonel join in the conversation. Now that you've taken the plunge, head for the deep water. Your input will be much appreciated Andy.
  • Colonel PlinkColonel Plink Member Posts: 16,460
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    It is good to have the Colonel join in the conversation. Now that you've taken the plunge, head for the deep water. Your input will be much appreciated Andy.


    Well, it's better to at least consider another's point of view than sit back and snipe like I had been doing.

    I'm not ready to give up on the Republic.
    I consider it an American trait to keep faith in my country.

    I can only hope it's done without pitting families and friends against one another in open warfare.
  • rawhide54rawhide54 Member Posts: 432 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would say mass civil disobedience is a forgone conclusion. This would be no less unpopular than the Volstead Act and we all know how that turned out.

    As noted, a lot of the people who voted for this current crop of crooks are counting on "they'll never be able to do that" but they surely will. We, who understand, need to stand ready to educate these people as to the error of their ways as each of these bills is proposed and, most definitely, when the first one is passed. We have to start building our numbers for a ground swell of political outrage before it comes to civil disobedience or civil war. Armed resistance has to be the last possible option because, even if we prevail, the nation won't fully recover in our lifetimes or our children's.

    We just have to guard against sounding like radical whack jobs when we pursue this education process. It's easy to do when you feel as passionately about a principal as most of us do. I have to do it daily with the former Peace Corps uber-liberals I work with.
  • chaoslodgechaoslodge Member Posts: 790 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink

    I take a measure of hope in the thought that the lowest common denominator that got the current crop of thieves elected are a short-sighted bunch. When the pretty words and vague promises fail to produce anything but more confusion and weirdness, maybe they'll revolt, demanding their pathetic instant gratification.

    The problem there is that they'll probably just fall for the next round of sparkly ideas wrapped in brightly-colored tissue.

    The problem then is who is the next Ron Paul? Dare I hope for a re-invention of the Republican Party?

    I'd like to think that the firing of the whole hierarchy of the RNC is a good sign.




    The key to this is to present the Constitution as the sparkly idea. The way the gun grabbers have taken bites out of our rights is the way to get them back. It is nothing new. It is what has worked on humans since time immemorial. One way I see is getting the message out to the burgeoning Hispanic population that the 2nd Amendment is there for them too and an important part of why they have come to this country. Get them on board and we have active, vibrant voting allies.
  • RocklobsterRocklobster Member Posts: 7,060
    edited November -1
    quote:They caught a 15 year old with an AK-47 stuck in his sweat pants with a 30 round clip in the middle of Oakland, California on a school day.Probably a BATFE agent.
  • Jim RauJim Rau Member Posts: 3,550
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
    They caught a 15 year old with an AK-47 stuck in his sweat pants with a 30 round clip in the middle of Oakland, California

    This is business as usual there. but I can't see a AK 'stuck' in sweat pants. [;)]
    That said, look north to our neighbors who have had a 'registration' requirement for several years and it has failed miserably and cost billions. And those in Canada are nearly as passionate about the RTKABA's as we here are. Not to mention the sheer numbers involved.
    One thing we should not forget, a law is only as effective as the those who are dedicated and FUNDED to enforce it. It must pass the 'reality test' I keep talking about.
    We shall see how this unfolds!!![V]
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    My understanding..I have not looked, myself...is that there is 3 billions of new money going to be poured into local and state law enforcement.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe I have identified a "trigger" for action.

    We have all discussed many times about the percentages of LEO's, and Military that will or will not participate in a confiscation scenario.
    That is not the biggest danger IMHO.

    The real danger is the proposed "civilian defense force."
    If you see that coming down the pike it is time for action of some sort.
    Remember BO said it needed to be similar to the military in size and funding.

    Imagine black panthers, and gangbangers being armed, and sent out to do a deed for the "government" with full authority.
    Do you think there would be any hesitation at all?
    If you do,.......you are insane.
    They will not hesitate to pull the trigger either.

    I fully believe BO is trying to set up protection for his ideals, in preparation for a dictatorship down the road. He will not serve 2 terms.

    This item needs to be watched closely, and when / if it rears its head,........the trigger has been tripped.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In the pork bill he is signing today, there is a provision for the BATF to receive $10,000,000 extra, on top of their $1,000,000,000 annual budget. Ya, it is supposed to go to..........


    quote:state and local law enforcement assistance

    For an additional amount for `State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance', $1,200,000,000 for the Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grant program as authorized by subpart 1 of part E of title I of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Street Act of 1968 (`1968 Act'), (except that section 1001(c), and the special rules for Puerto Rico under section 505(g), of the 1968 Act, shall not apply for purposes of this Act), to remain available until September 30, 2010.

    For an additional amount for `State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance', $300,000,000 for competitive grants to improve the functioning of the criminal justice system, to assist victims of crime (other than compensation), and youth mentoring grants, to remain available until September 30, 2010.

    For an additional amount for `State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance', $90,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2010, for competitive grants to provide assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the Southern border and in High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas to combat criminal narcotics activity stemming from the Southern border, of which $10,000,000 shall be transferred to `Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses' for the ATF Project Gunrunner.
  • WerwolfWerwolf Member Posts: 475 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    BO is a great representation of the u.s. governments leader, although not my leader nor my president...as the only person that I would listen to would be Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and possibly some others known to truly support the Constitution completely without compromise including fellow ranking Militia Officers that truly support the Constitution as well, other than that...
    It is a shame that so many will probably die and so needlessly, as this is completely unnecessary. I will not have my Constitutional Rights infringed upon no matter what their stupid reason is and I wont be dictated to concerning where or when I can carry a concealed weapon or what weapon that I can buy or how many etc. Our Patriot Forefathers wouldn't be disarmed then and we wont be now. The child killing, gun grabbing, homo helping government storm troopers are so fixated on disarming us which makes it quite obvious as to the reason why and I am sure that they really don't want armed insurgents running around while they form their u.n. sponsored police state of amerika.
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