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Local citizen practicing open carry
badchris
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http://www.fox8.com/wjw-news-gun-owner,0,3525816.story
Good for this guy. I like the fact he recorded the convo with police. Of course the media and police captain act like he is in the wrong...
Good for this guy. I like the fact he recorded the convo with police. Of course the media and police captain act like he is in the wrong...
Enemies of armed self-defense focus on the gun. They ignore the person protected with that gun.
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It was truly disgusting to hear the commentary by the reporter, the "witness" who called the cops and the police spokesman.
Pathetic.
Better link with a sound clip of the conversation this law abiding citizen had with the authorities while he was "not being detained".
Snip from article:
Reporter Elisa Amigo covered the story and claimed witnesses thought they "were about to witness a robbery" and so called police. I'm not sure of the time frame since Carlisle was able to order his food, pay for it, eat it, and leave before police showed up. So, either he was supposed to be a robbery suspect after he paid, ate, and left or the Parma police have a really long response time. Jared Leon was interviewed as one of the "witnesses". He claimed Carlisle was "looking around all crazy," so called police.
Fox News did point out that open carry is legal in Ohio. "We as a city, as a police department don't agree with it, but we're stuck with it," said Captain Robert Desimone of the Parma Police Department. "That's the law, we have to uphold it."
Edited ONLY to shorten link. [;)]
I'm so glad they couldn't do anything about it.
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anyone else excercise there right? check out opencarry.org if we all do it then it will be the norm and I believe crime rates will fall.
Good for Him! I used to live in Parma. The cops there are complete jerks to start with, and I bet they were really giving it to him over this.
I'm so glad they couldn't do anything about it.
Did you listen to the tape ? Obviously you didn't.
The cops were respectful, they joked around with the guy, explained that they were responding to a call, never treated him in a bad way at all. They made sure that no laws were being violated, apologized to the guy for the inconvenience, and let him go on his way.
This guy had all the statutes, and case law memorized. He had a tape recorder with him, because he knew he would probably be challenged. He clearly knew that what he was doing was going to cause controversy (which I don't have a problem with). He also knew that he was in the right, and had broken no laws.
He made a decision to cause public awareness, and he accomplished his goal. I applaud his efforts. I hope more people do the same. At the same time, police are pretty much bound to respond to citizen complaints. That is what they get paid for. If they blew off the call, and the guy had robbed the Taco Bell, or went in and shot everyone in the store, what kind of press would that have gotten ?
I personally feel the more contacts between police, and gun owners is a positive thing. I've spent over 25 years in law enforcement, and for the most part, gun owners are responsible citizens who value their rights, and expect they be upheld.
No law was broken, no arrest was made, no attorneys involved, no cost to any of the parties.
Some of you have to make a decision. Do you want to live in a society where someone calls the cops and says "I just saw a guy walk into the Taco Bell with a gun", and the cops just say, "yeah, and..." or do you want them to send on officer or two to check out what is going on ?
People with first hand info are a much better source than the casual observer on the street. Trained, professional people are an even better source. The person on the end of the 911 call has only the information the caller gives.
Cops don't get to pick and choose which calls they are assigned. Dispatchers don't get to choose which ones they feel are valid. If they receive a call from a concerned citizen, they respond, investigate, and act accordingly. No law here was broken, no arrest was made. What more do you want ?
All they needed to do was verify that he wasn't breaking any laws, and let him go on his way. I'm so sick of ignorant people who can't tell the difference between a law abiding citizen carrying a gun for defense reasons, and a would be robber.
Don't you think if he were going to rob Taco Bell, that he would have done it? I've had the very same thing happen to me several times, and it's really starting to piss me off. The cops always give me the same hassle every time. They always tell me that they can charge me with "inciting panic" if I don't leave.
The American public, yourself included, have lost touch with reality.
Go pound sand.
Better link
Better link with a sound clip of the conversation this law abiding citizen had with the authorities while he was "not being detained".
Snip from article:
Reporter Elisa Amigo covered the story and claimed witnesses thought they "were about to witness a robbery" and so called police. I'm not sure of the time frame since Carlisle was able to order his food, pay for it, eat it, and leave before police showed up. So, either he was supposed to be a robbery suspect after he paid, ate, and left or the Parma police have a really long response time. Jared Leon was interviewed as one of the "witnesses". He claimed Carlisle was "looking around all crazy," so called police.
Fox News did point out that open carry is legal in Ohio. "We as a city, as a police department don't agree with it, but we're stuck with it," said Captain Robert Desimone of the Parma Police Department. "That's the law, we have to uphold it."
Edited ONLY to shorten link. [;)]
Great link to the full audio. The man should be given a medal.
stopped and asked your citizenship status.
Required to inform the government of how much mony you made
Claim a party affiliation
does anyone here practice open carry daily? I think it would be good if we all did.
I do, every chance I get.
does anyone here practice open carry daily? I think it would be good if we all did.
I open carry at home and while on my property, but under my state's unconstitutional law I am not allowed to carry except concealed unless its on my property. So before I go across the street to get my mail or get in my car I untuck my shirt and place it over my hand cannon, upon returning to my property I tuck my shirt back in. I don't care who is watching, or driving down the road, I am not breaking any stupid little BS laws. I pay the state their $10.00 every year and maintain my permit to exercise my God given constitutional right. God knows I don't want to offend anyone by exercising my God given constitutional rights without paying off the government and obtaining their consent.
I remember an incident a few years back, quite similar to this in Reston Va, where 2 college age students were lawfully practicing open-carry, once again police were contacted, the students were arrested, detained and their firearms were confiscated. All the while, the students were explaining, much in a similar manner to this man, that what they were doing was 100% lawful.
The police did not know the laws well, much less at all, and in my opinion therefor should not be allowed to carry firearms.
Needless to say, the students retained counsel, and they were released promptly with full apologies from everyone involved, and even the police chief him self, and their firearms were returned post haste.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum43/23248.html