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quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
The answer to your three questions is "Yes". And I don't have to be a "jack booted thug" to truthfully said that only an idiot would leave a loaded firearm laying around my house because it's a house full of irresponsible children,including everyone between the ages of 8 and 80 as children here, you understand.. It is easy to understand that without even bringing up the consitution.
Don't worry tr fox, the government will protect you, right?
Edited to help conform to the posting guidelines.
Be Nice. [;)] [:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
I must admit I respect a short honest answer. Although if, with absolutely no gun laws, when kids stated buying guns out of vending machines I bet a whole lot of people here would find they didn't like that as much as they thought they would.
Fox, if you had respect for an answer, then you'd accept all of them you've been given. But yet you persist in "beating the dead horse" and make yet another wrong assumption. I (IMHO) would take that bet against you.
The vending machine would be great but man it would take a ton of quarters to get anything nice.
I agree Dave, they're gonna have to accept credit cards. We can't all be pushing wheelbarrows around just to haul quarters.[:D]
quote:Originally posted by bluesman39
No gun laws at all.
Well said....like no auto laws!No eating laws!No breathing laws!I do think we need farting laws...in public....especially in an elevator...
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
I was going to wait awhile and let some of you convoluted thinking guys indict yourselves to a greater degree, but it is late, I getting tired and bored with you guys. So here is a DIRECT AND SPECIFIC question you will not like:
Regarding your own personal firearms, do you leave them loaded and unattended BOTH in your home and/or when out in public? Thereby making it possible for a child or deranged criminal to easily pickup your firearm and kill/injure someone (someone like you)?
I will give you all time to dig your own graves on this subject and then I will be back.
Yes i do, out of the about 15 guns at my house the only ones that aren't loaded are the ones that I am cleaning or working on.
plus the gun(s) that I am carrying on me or in the truck stay loaded.
where I live there s very little crime because there are very many people that KEEP and BEAR, LOADED guns
91 replies and NOBODY agrees with ol Foxie.....[:p][:p]
quote:I will give you all time to dig your own graves on this subject and then I will be back.
okie dokie Fox, we all dug out own graves so COME ON BACK!!!!![:X]
Man, I'm fairly new here, and this is already old to me. IGNORE this socialist drivel, STOP responding to the goading of the tiny voice of the red fox. Every American should be armed against an evil government, the likes of which we are experiencing now.
The vending machine garbage is just the loser's way of trying to twist about the facts. WE ARE GUARANTEED in the Constitution the right to keep and bear arms, exactly for the reason that exists today. There is NO debate, except those that are trying to take away such rights.
A minority of the population has elected a government that is acting in opposition to the will of the majority of the people, and it is PAST time that we collect AND ENFORCE the will of the majority and voice our unequivocal answer that WE SHALL NOT TOLERATE AN INFRINGEMENT ON OUR RIGHTS TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, IN EVERY RESPECT OF THE WORDS.
The purpose behind allowing socialists and beast-lovers free speech is many-fold.
The more they spew their nonsense...the easier OUR job becomes..teaching Constitutional principles.
THEIR ideals cannot stand the bright light of sanity and common sense...when they are forced to DEFEND those ideals. ONLY by allowing them to stay entrenched behind the covering of government, big business..(I.E.,the NRA), and media blather WILL THEIR IDEAS GAIN TRACTION.
I would have had to INVENT Trfox, had he not come along...merely to present the dark side of tyranny.
I thank TR for his persistence in laying out the evil side of gun control...gun owners completely brain-washed, indeed, brain dead..by the government and NRA.
TR, like it or not, represents MOST of the NRA...and the huge share of gun owners in this country.
ONLY by learning how they think will we that support the Constitution educate OURSELVES about the enemy within...and the strident necessity to cut them off at the knees at every opportunity.
quote:Originally posted by justusnospam
I'm curious to know, fox. Do YOU have children at home? Do YOU have loaded weapons in the home? DO you have ANY weapons at all? I don't know you except the few threads I've read here, but I wonder about you. ARE YOU for a free country? Or are you for more regulation than the constitution allowed for? Are YOU for a jackbooted gestapo coming into our homes to insure we are abiding by some left winger's law passed without the consent of the governed?
Quite frankly, given the direction and tone of your constant haranguing, I would definitely put you left of center. What say you?
Fair questions. I have more than enough firearms. BTW, firearms are not weapons until used as such. To automatically give firearms the name "weapon" just helps play into the hands of those who want to take our firearms away.
When I am not at home, ALL my firearms are locked up since I have a young grandson at home. All the adults know how to access the safe if needed when I am not at home. I consider myself to be very right of the middle. I have distain for the left, especially the far left.
What turns people here against me is that I am not anxious for an armed revolution. I am not saying I would not take part in one but I am not anxious for one. I believe we can still take back our country by peaceful means. To a degree the election upset in Mass. proved that.
I also believe that a few basic gun laws are necessary. Laws such as not knowingly selling a firearm to a known violent criminal. How anyone can find a way to disagree with (I know they will) is beyond me. Yes, yes, I know full well the violent criminal is going to get his firearm anyway. I just don't want that criminal to legally purchase, own and carry a firearm. At least make his firearm possession illegal so if he runs into the law, the law can take him off to jail where he will not be a threat to the lawful citizens.
Hope that answers your question.
For SOME of the others here, the reason I don't visit often is because my goal is for you to read what I have to say. I don't much care what you have to say.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
For SOME of the others here, the reason I don't visit often is because my goal is for you to read what I have to say. I don't much care what you have to say.
So whatever gave you the idea anybody here cared what you have to say?
99 antifox posts........
quote:
I will give you all time to dig your own graves on this subject and then I will be back.
FOXIE.......FOXIE.......OH, FOXIE.......Come on back Foxie and give us Americans a piece of your mind.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by justusnospam
I'm curious to know, fox. Do YOU have children at home? Do YOU have loaded weapons in the home? DO you have ANY weapons at all? I don't know you except the few threads I've read here, but I wonder about you. ARE YOU for a free country? Or are you for more regulation than the constitution allowed for? Are YOU for a jackbooted gestapo coming into our homes to insure we are abiding by some left winger's law passed without the consent of the governed?
Quite frankly, given the direction and tone of your constant haranguing, I would definitely put you left of center. What say you?
Fair questions. I have more than enough firearms. BTW, firearms are not weapons until used as such. To automatically give firearms the name "weapon" just helps play into the hands of those who want to take our firearms away.
When I am not at home, ALL my firearms are locked up since I have a young grandson at home. All the adults know how to access the safe if needed when I am not at home. I consider myself to be very right of the middle. I have distain for the left, especially the far left.
What turns people here against me is that I am not anxious for an armed revolution. I am not saying I would not take part in one but I am not anxious for one. I believe we can still take back our country by peaceful means. To a degree the election upset in Mass. proved that.
I also believe that a few basic gun laws are necessary. Laws such as not knowingly selling a firearm to a known violent criminal. How anyone can find a way to disagree with (I know they will) is beyond me. Yes, yes, I know full well the violent criminal is going to get his firearm anyway. I just don't want that criminal to legally purchase, own and carry a firearm. At least make his firearm possession illegal so if he runs into the law, the law can take him off to jail where he will not be a threat to the lawful citizens.
Hope that answers your question.
For SOME of the others here, the reason I don't visit often is because my goal is for you to read what I have to say. I don't much care what you have to say.
Do you even know what position Sen. elect Brown has taken on RKBA? I doubt you do. If you did, you would have held it up like a trophy. His position is as lameazz as yours.
Define criminal. Do you mean felon who has served his time and met punishment obligations? Thanks for punishing law abiding citizens unnecessarily trying to stop something that is going to happen anyway.
Do you even know what position Sen. elect Brown has taken on RKBA? I doubt you do. If you did, you would have held it up like a trophy. His position is as lameazz as yours.
Define criminal. Do you mean felon who has served his time and met punishment obligations? Thanks for punishing law abiding citizens unnecessarily trying to stop something that is going to happen anyway.
He doesn't need to, the NRA will tell him which establishment anti-gunner to vote for. When you've paid $25 good dollars to have someone else do you research for you, you are "doing something". Right trfaux?
Putting forth real effort, by doing the research yourself, and deciding that "Once again, the NRA lied to me," would be "Not doing something". Right trfaux?
Greetings, Mr. Fox,
I vote yes.
When I was 12, Dad and I were in town one day picking up parts for one of the tractors. He told me that it was time for me to go pick out a deer rifle, so I went to the big 3 story hardware store down the block and found a Savage 99 in .300 Savage. I charged it to the farm account and walked out the door and down the street to the JD dealer where Dad was. The clerks in the store and all the people I passed on the sidewalk saw nothing unusual about this. These days, I rather imagine the LEO's wouid have me tasered, cuffed, and stuffed, if they just didn't * away at first glance.
I grew up on a farm, and was very aware of the consequences of the effects of shooting things. Occasionally, an animal had to be put down. That makes an impression on a kid. I even had to do that a couple of times with that very rifle. Having to shoot a cow in the head with a rifle leaves no mistake in your mind about what a gun can do. There were pests on the farm which had to be thinned out: coyotes, badgers, skunks, starlings, ground squirrels, and the occasional stray dog running livestock. Putting a 150 grain core-lokd through a theivin' coyote makes a person have respect for what a gun can do.
I have killed a bunch of deer and elk with that great rifle. My sons have used it for deer and elk hunting too. The first time you field dress a deer, the effects of that bullet become pretty obvious. A person isn't likely to misuse a gun after that.
In grade school, we used to take guns on the school bus and into class for show and tell. I even got to take Dad's 1909 Model 94 .25-35 to school once. We would pass these guns around class and admire them, and daydream about hunting pheasants, ground squirrels, deer, or elk (depending on the gauge/caliber, of course). This never raised an eyebrow.
Nowadays, the teachers, principals, and councellors through the Superintendant would have a s***t hemorrhage. Kids would be expelled from school, brainwashed, er, I mean "counselled", and parents would be investigated. Hell, kids these days can't even take an aspirin to school without risking suspension.
So, Mr. Fox, I apologize for getting so long-winded. However, I believe in parental and personal responsibility and accountability. I do not believe in "situation ethics", which seems to be the basic governing principle in our society today. I believe that the Second Amendment is an absolute right, and that it means exactly what it says, no if's, and's or but's. "Shall not be infringed" means exactly that, no more, no less.
I think the vending machine situation would be very unlikely to happen. But freely buying and selling firearms should certainly not be.
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quote:Originally posted by tr fox
The answer to your three questions is "Yes". And I don't have to be a "jack booted thug" to truthfully said that only an idiot would leave a loaded firearm laying around my house because it's a house full of irresponsible children,including everyone between the ages of 8 and 80 as children here, you understand.. It is easy to understand that without even bringing up the consitution.
Don't worry tr fox, the government will protect you, right?
Edited to help conform to the posting guidelines.
Be Nice. [;)] [:D][:D]
I must admit I respect a short honest answer. Although if, with absolutely no gun laws, when kids stated buying guns out of vending machines I bet a whole lot of people here would find they didn't like that as much as they thought they would.
Fox, if you had respect for an answer, then you'd accept all of them you've been given. But yet you persist in "beating the dead horse" and make yet another wrong assumption. I (IMHO) would take that bet against you.
COB
The vending machine would be great but man it would take a ton of quarters to get anything nice.
No laws.
The vending machine would be great but man it would take a ton of quarters to get anything nice.
[:D][:D]
No laws.
The vending machine would be great but man it would take a ton of quarters to get anything nice.
I agree Dave, they're gonna have to accept credit cards. We can't all be pushing wheelbarrows around just to haul quarters.[:D]
No gun laws at all.
Well said....like no auto laws!No eating laws!No breathing laws!I do think we need farting laws...in public....especially in an elevator...
I was going to wait awhile and let some of you convoluted thinking guys indict yourselves to a greater degree, but it is late, I getting tired and bored with you guys. So here is a DIRECT AND SPECIFIC question you will not like:
Regarding your own personal firearms, do you leave them loaded and unattended BOTH in your home and/or when out in public? Thereby making it possible for a child or deranged criminal to easily pickup your firearm and kill/injure someone (someone like you)?
I will give you all time to dig your own graves on this subject and then I will be back.
Yes i do, out of the about 15 guns at my house the only ones that aren't loaded are the ones that I am cleaning or working on.
plus the gun(s) that I am carrying on me or in the truck stay loaded.
where I live there s very little crime because there are very many people that KEEP and BEAR, LOADED guns
quote:I will give you all time to dig your own graves on this subject and then I will be back.
okie dokie Fox, we all dug out own graves so COME ON BACK!!!!![:X]
The vending machine garbage is just the loser's way of trying to twist about the facts. WE ARE GUARANTEED in the Constitution the right to keep and bear arms, exactly for the reason that exists today. There is NO debate, except those that are trying to take away such rights.
A minority of the population has elected a government that is acting in opposition to the will of the majority of the people, and it is PAST time that we collect AND ENFORCE the will of the majority and voice our unequivocal answer that WE SHALL NOT TOLERATE AN INFRINGEMENT ON OUR RIGHTS TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, IN EVERY RESPECT OF THE WORDS.
Nothing more needs to be said.
The more they spew their nonsense...the easier OUR job becomes..teaching Constitutional principles.
THEIR ideals cannot stand the bright light of sanity and common sense...when they are forced to DEFEND those ideals. ONLY by allowing them to stay entrenched behind the covering of government, big business..(I.E.,the NRA), and media blather WILL THEIR IDEAS GAIN TRACTION.
I would have had to INVENT Trfox, had he not come along...merely to present the dark side of tyranny.
I thank TR for his persistence in laying out the evil side of gun control...gun owners completely brain-washed, indeed, brain dead..by the government and NRA.
TR, like it or not, represents MOST of the NRA...and the huge share of gun owners in this country.
ONLY by learning how they think will we that support the Constitution educate OURSELVES about the enemy within...and the strident necessity to cut them off at the knees at every opportunity.
No guns laws restricting the selling and possession of firearms in the FREE society.
Parents control their children.
Criminals jailed or dead.
Honest citizens do not have their daily lives intruded by government regulation of a god given right.
+1
I'd make it a capital G.
No guns laws restricting the selling and possession of firearms in the FREE society.
Parents control their children.
Criminals jailed or dead.
Honest citizens do not have their daily lives intruded by government regulation of a god given right.
Charlie,
Run for office and you've got MY vote.
COB
Ted Nugent said it best "The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution IS my concealed carry permit"
quote:I will give you all time to dig your own graves on this subject and then I will be back.
FOXIE.......FOXIE.......OH, FOXIE.......
I'm curious to know, fox. Do YOU have children at home? Do YOU have loaded weapons in the home? DO you have ANY weapons at all? I don't know you except the few threads I've read here, but I wonder about you. ARE YOU for a free country? Or are you for more regulation than the constitution allowed for? Are YOU for a jackbooted gestapo coming into our homes to insure we are abiding by some left winger's law passed without the consent of the governed?
Quite frankly, given the direction and tone of your constant haranguing, I would definitely put you left of center. What say you?
Fair questions. I have more than enough firearms. BTW, firearms are not weapons until used as such. To automatically give firearms the name "weapon" just helps play into the hands of those who want to take our firearms away.
When I am not at home, ALL my firearms are locked up since I have a young grandson at home. All the adults know how to access the safe if needed when I am not at home. I consider myself to be very right of the middle. I have distain for the left, especially the far left.
What turns people here against me is that I am not anxious for an armed revolution. I am not saying I would not take part in one but I am not anxious for one. I believe we can still take back our country by peaceful means. To a degree the election upset in Mass. proved that.
I also believe that a few basic gun laws are necessary. Laws such as not knowingly selling a firearm to a known violent criminal. How anyone can find a way to disagree with (I know they will) is beyond me. Yes, yes, I know full well the violent criminal is going to get his firearm anyway. I just don't want that criminal to legally purchase, own and carry a firearm. At least make his firearm possession illegal so if he runs into the law, the law can take him off to jail where he will not be a threat to the lawful citizens.
Hope that answers your question.
For SOME of the others here, the reason I don't visit often is because my goal is for you to read what I have to say. I don't much care what you have to say.
For SOME of the others here, the reason I don't visit often is because my goal is for you to read what I have to say. I don't much care what you have to say.
So whatever gave you the idea anybody here cared what you have to say?
99 antifox posts........
quote:
I will give you all time to dig your own graves on this subject and then I will be back.
FOXIE.......FOXIE.......OH, FOXIE.......Come on back Foxie and give us Americans a piece of your mind.
quote:Originally posted by justusnospam
I'm curious to know, fox. Do YOU have children at home? Do YOU have loaded weapons in the home? DO you have ANY weapons at all? I don't know you except the few threads I've read here, but I wonder about you. ARE YOU for a free country? Or are you for more regulation than the constitution allowed for? Are YOU for a jackbooted gestapo coming into our homes to insure we are abiding by some left winger's law passed without the consent of the governed?
Quite frankly, given the direction and tone of your constant haranguing, I would definitely put you left of center. What say you?
Fair questions. I have more than enough firearms. BTW, firearms are not weapons until used as such. To automatically give firearms the name "weapon" just helps play into the hands of those who want to take our firearms away.
When I am not at home, ALL my firearms are locked up since I have a young grandson at home. All the adults know how to access the safe if needed when I am not at home. I consider myself to be very right of the middle. I have distain for the left, especially the far left.
What turns people here against me is that I am not anxious for an armed revolution. I am not saying I would not take part in one but I am not anxious for one. I believe we can still take back our country by peaceful means. To a degree the election upset in Mass. proved that.
I also believe that a few basic gun laws are necessary. Laws such as not knowingly selling a firearm to a known violent criminal. How anyone can find a way to disagree with (I know they will) is beyond me. Yes, yes, I know full well the violent criminal is going to get his firearm anyway. I just don't want that criminal to legally purchase, own and carry a firearm. At least make his firearm possession illegal so if he runs into the law, the law can take him off to jail where he will not be a threat to the lawful citizens.
Hope that answers your question.
For SOME of the others here, the reason I don't visit often is because my goal is for you to read what I have to say. I don't much care what you have to say.
Do you even know what position Sen. elect Brown has taken on RKBA? I doubt you do. If you did, you would have held it up like a trophy. His position is as lameazz as yours.
Define criminal. Do you mean felon who has served his time and met punishment obligations? Thanks for punishing law abiding citizens unnecessarily trying to stop something that is going to happen anyway.
Do you even know what position Sen. elect Brown has taken on RKBA? I doubt you do. If you did, you would have held it up like a trophy. His position is as lameazz as yours.
Define criminal. Do you mean felon who has served his time and met punishment obligations? Thanks for punishing law abiding citizens unnecessarily trying to stop something that is going to happen anyway.
He doesn't need to, the NRA will tell him which establishment anti-gunner to vote for. When you've paid $25 good dollars to have someone else do you research for you, you are "doing something". Right trfaux?
Putting forth real effort, by doing the research yourself, and deciding that "Once again, the NRA lied to me," would be "Not doing something". Right trfaux?
I vote yes.
When I was 12, Dad and I were in town one day picking up parts for one of the tractors. He told me that it was time for me to go pick out a deer rifle, so I went to the big 3 story hardware store down the block and found a Savage 99 in .300 Savage. I charged it to the farm account and walked out the door and down the street to the JD dealer where Dad was. The clerks in the store and all the people I passed on the sidewalk saw nothing unusual about this. These days, I rather imagine the LEO's wouid have me tasered, cuffed, and stuffed, if they just didn't * away at first glance.
I grew up on a farm, and was very aware of the consequences of the effects of shooting things. Occasionally, an animal had to be put down. That makes an impression on a kid. I even had to do that a couple of times with that very rifle. Having to shoot a cow in the head with a rifle leaves no mistake in your mind about what a gun can do. There were pests on the farm which had to be thinned out: coyotes, badgers, skunks, starlings, ground squirrels, and the occasional stray dog running livestock. Putting a 150 grain core-lokd through a theivin' coyote makes a person have respect for what a gun can do.
I have killed a bunch of deer and elk with that great rifle. My sons have used it for deer and elk hunting too. The first time you field dress a deer, the effects of that bullet become pretty obvious. A person isn't likely to misuse a gun after that.
In grade school, we used to take guns on the school bus and into class for show and tell. I even got to take Dad's 1909 Model 94 .25-35 to school once. We would pass these guns around class and admire them, and daydream about hunting pheasants, ground squirrels, deer, or elk (depending on the gauge/caliber, of course). This never raised an eyebrow.
Nowadays, the teachers, principals, and councellors through the Superintendant would have a s***t hemorrhage. Kids would be expelled from school, brainwashed, er, I mean "counselled", and parents would be investigated. Hell, kids these days can't even take an aspirin to school without risking suspension.
So, Mr. Fox, I apologize for getting so long-winded. However, I believe in parental and personal responsibility and accountability. I do not believe in "situation ethics", which seems to be the basic governing principle in our society today. I believe that the Second Amendment is an absolute right, and that it means exactly what it says, no if's, and's or but's. "Shall not be infringed" means exactly that, no more, no less.
I think the vending machine situation would be very unlikely to happen. But freely buying and selling firearms should certainly not be.