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IdahoRedneck
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quote:Once again you have no idea about which you speak. To say 'people like me accept what we are told', you are totally clueless here. Did you put your job and pension the line to support the RTKABA's as I have. NO and you would not. You don't even have any idea about how many have sacrificed so you can show your ignorance and prejudice of those of us who actually do something other than just talk big on the internet. So until you know what you are talking about it's best you say nothing. You really put your foot in your mouth this time newbe!
That is where you are clueless Jim.....You have no Idea what I would do or not do in regards to my job and pension. If you did such a thing then Good on ya, but HOW then do you come back here and say to folks
quote:I support your 'ideal' 100%, but I know it can NEVER be accomplished, just reality, which you and your fellow idealists ignore completely.
The Breaking point will be when people have had enough talk government overstretches their grasp and the SHTF, Noone knows when that will be but to come here and poke sticks in the eyes of people who are waking people saying they live not in reality is mind boggling, especially if you have done what you say you did.
Heres a question Jimbo Why did you put your job and pension on the line for the RTKBA if there was nothing to be done because your living in reality....... Reality is what we make it yes....so the more people that know the better yes, The way you presented your case I took as a slap in the face to people trying to encourage people to look deeper......
If I stuck my foot in my mouth, so what.... I See it this way ......... you see it that way but from what Ive read in your posts your no patriot, just cut people down.............ooops foot in mouth again right jim..................whatever[xx(]
That is where you are clueless Jim.....You have no Idea what I would do or not do in regards to my job and pension. If you did such a thing then Good on ya, but HOW then do you come back here and say to folks
quote:I support your 'ideal' 100%, but I know it can NEVER be accomplished, just reality, which you and your fellow idealists ignore completely.
The Breaking point will be when people have had enough talk government overstretches their grasp and the SHTF, Noone knows when that will be but to come here and poke sticks in the eyes of people who are waking people saying they live not in reality is mind boggling, especially if you have done what you say you did.
Heres a question Jimbo Why did you put your job and pension on the line for the RTKBA if there was nothing to be done because your living in reality....... Reality is what we make it yes....so the more people that know the better yes, The way you presented your case I took as a slap in the face to people trying to encourage people to look deeper......
If I stuck my foot in my mouth, so what.... I See it this way ......... you see it that way but from what Ive read in your posts your no patriot, just cut people down.............ooops foot in mouth again right jim..................whatever[xx(]
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Why do you post in this forum?
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
I was simply responding to a statement YOU said........Sheez
quote:And I would say "wrong as usual back to you Jim" for 50 Alex............
C'mon man are ya serious its because of people like you who accept what their told and just see it as reality that we are here in the first place. If Americans got off there azzez, and realized what is "theirs" as per the Founding documents, We would be along way from where we are now yes.................
But the Sheeple dont care right, so those of the Americans trying to raise an Eyebrow, you shun off as not living in reality............., but the fact of the matter is the folks you converse with here ARE waking people, you just choose to ignore it and lump em in with the crazies living outside reality (I believe is how you said it)
When Its perfectly clear you and folks of your kind are the crazies for not standing up for the freedoms that are already yours thanks to men much smarter than any of us who lived in alot simpler times. ...........kind of a waste in my opinion
quote:The Breaking point will be when people have had enough talk government overstretches their grasp and the SHTF, Noone knows when that will be but to come here and poke sticks in the eyes of people who are waking people saying they live not in reality is mind boggling, especially if you have done what you say you did.
Heres a question Jimbo Why did you put your job and pension on the line for the RTKBA if there was nothing to be done because your living in reality....... Reality is what we make it yes....so the more people that know the better yes, The way you presented your case I took as a slap in the face to people trying to encourage people to look deeper......
If I stuck my foot in my mouth, so what.... I See it this way ......... you see it that way but from what Ive read in your posts your no patriot, just cut people down.............ooops foot in mouth again right jim..................whatever
quote:First, Why did I put my job and pension on the line?
Because I firmly believe in the Constitution and believe the RTKABA's is the penalty/enforcement clause of the Constitution without it all the rest of the constitution is not worth the paper it is written on, and I stand up and fight for what I believe in, not just talk 'big' with anonymity the Internet allows. I use my name and don't hide by putting my location as 'USA'. Most people here and on the Internet are cowards who like to complain and vent and can't be counted on to make ANY of the sacrifices required to further the cause. But that is reality and human nature. I did not 'cut you down'! You 'attacked' me and made derogatory statements about me. I simply informed you of your lack of inside. If you would have been here for the exchange between 496 and myself and the aftermath you would know I did not deserve your 'attack'.
Why do I post here? I have answered this MANY times. I believe WE (those of us who believe in the RTKABA's) have an obligation to discuss the varying believes and opinions on this subject with others, not so much to try and change the opinions of those we discuss this with (reality again, we are VERY set in our beliefs about this are we not?) but to give the 'observer' some insight into the different views and beliefs of those of us who feel so strongly about this RIGHT
How bout ya put your big boy pants on, and have a discussion in where someone can question you on .....your beliefs AND represent THEIR beliefs ( because its important to show both sides as you said right jim), without YOU feeling like someone is being derogatory and attacking you.......ya think ya can do that.
Wait O I know what this is............ Newbie with foot in mouth again right Jim..........[;)]
Actually.......... whatever........I have not the energy to get into it with ya, Your beliefs are flawed in my opinion, and Im sure in your opinion mine are to you............."so what" if your here to interpret different veiw points. DO IT
but here is the kicker Jimbo........... READ....then do your OWN reasearch and see what you come up with.........Have never searched anything that I found here on this FORUM to be Bullsjhiatt.......
You Come here with Your belief, Without an openmind that right there is your first problem...................Yes folks aroud here are passionate, But WE are passionate about one thing and its the document that allows you to come here with your opinion and speak your mind We believe what is says is just that, WHAT IT SAYS! That is reality Jimbo IMHO
Although we are in ca has The Constitution Will be the deciding factor......again just My opinion, But look around Jimbo More and more people waking every day.
Redneck.....over and out[:)]
The problem HERE is there are individuals who consider it their task, not to change peoples minds, but to run off anyone who does not believe in the totally unrestricted RTKABA's. I don't intimidate easily so I am one of the FEW who stay here (the Rights ans Law Forum).
It would appear they only want those who agree with them to post so they can build their individual egos, why else would they attack EVERYONE who does not TOTALY agree with them?????
Wheat from the debris, Jim...wheat from the debris.
The blogs, NRA, media, and government are full of people like you...willing to compromise away Rights.
You are right about 'the people'...and their stupid animosity over gun liberty.
That animosity is not lessened by people like you feeding it. Fact is...EVERY TIME some gun owner agrees with them...'gun control is good'...they get stupider and stronger in their mistaken belief.
Watch it happen right here on these forums. Get a gun controller spouting off his nonsense..trfox, or you...and soon enough there will show up support for that nonsense.
Actually..the gun controllers around here have been disiplined enough so that only the very SLOWEST of them show up to spout off their socialist tendencies, nowadays...
It's about right versus wrong.
Dirt simple.
Actually you are wrong again Red. If you had checked you would find I once was the VERY strict proponent of the 2nd Amendment which the CA's promote, BUT I came to realize this is foolish because it is not possible to attain! "We the people" will not ever allow this much 'freedom' to "We the people"! In other words we are fighting an up hill battle to just get back to where we were prior to 1968. And even then we were way behind the 8 ball! There has never been a time when this country has had a 'totally unrestricted' RTKABA's, and there never will be. So I am trying to do what I can to roll back as much of the BS laws, at all levels, as I can. We will not just wake up one day and our 'dreams' of a society where we have no restrictions on the RTKABA's will wondrously appear!!
The problem HERE is there are individuals who consider it their task, not to change peoples minds, but to run off anyone who does not believe in the totally unrestricted RTKABA's. I don't intimidate easily so I am one of the FEW who stay here (the Rights ans Law Forum).
It would appear they only want those who agree with them to post so they can build their individual egos, why else would they attack EVERYONE who does not TOTALY agree with them?????
You are so incredibly, indelibly, wrong, Jim.
It is not now, never has been, and never will be about 'running people off'. It is now, always has been, and always will be about awakening open-minded individuals to the actual meaning of what some us still believe to be the law of the land. You and your ilk are content to enter the discussion accepting that Uncle Sam has the power to infringe upon that which the Constitution I swore to defend plainly states they cannot infringe upon. You state that you don't like it, but it is reality, thus accepting an unconstitutional government that is (obviously) not constrained in any way.
You claim a potential personal sacrifice for your beliefs, and I would applaud you for that if your beliefs actually were based in the reality of what is written in the Constitution. The fact of the matter is, Jim, that your principled stance is subjugated to only that which you believe you can achieve in the near term. It is not the reality of The Law to which you subscribe, Jim, rather it is the reality of that with which you are comfortable.
One reality shifts with the sands. One is written on parchment. I'll cast my lot with the one that does not change with the tides of politics.
Brad Steele
If I am wrong, prove it!!!! Stop the personal attacks and name calling and discuss the issue as Jeff (lt496) does, you may even HELP your cause if you do. HB, I think you are getting it. You make your point with out getting as brutal (most of the time[;)]) as you did when this all started several years ago. Thank You!!!
Hmm, was really considering not posting as its really getting a little ridiculous and if that is what I would be teaming up with as it were against evil gov forces then I would be better off on my own and alone I guess, which is a sad thought...
But lets see what we have here; since there seems to be 2 factions here, if the individuals that think differently about 2A/RKBA then we do would stop the insults, name calling, snubs, parting shots etc, then I would imagine that it would stop on our end as well.
However for myself I do not initiate insults and have not as I have no reason to in the first place and only return fire when fired upon and for evidence of this examine my posts and you will see that at some point, someone either a forum member or facsimile felt it necessary to sling an insult, name calling or other nonsense. I am not looking to fight those that I am supposed to be allied with nor would I, but I have to wonder who the allies really are if all that we do is to argue and fight and you really didn't expect me to get fired upon and not return fire...please check your fire.
Now I need to go on a long walk.
Take care and regards.
Walking is good for you. I once was a runner, but now I go on long walks, or get my exercise working the horses. Have a good walk. And keep up the fight!!![8D]
Much of what is called 'name calling, insults, snubs, and parting shots' are administered by me.
I freely admit it.
Allow me to explain that a bit.
I spent many years of my life respecting, logically discussing, peacefully disagreeing, cajoling, pleading, and begging those that rode on the other side of the fence..the anti-gun big government psychophants.
There reached a point in my life that I finally recognized that I was playing THEIR game...that I was condoning and justifying THEIR aberrant behaviour with my understanding of that behaviour.
At that point...I started calling a spade a spade. A gun controlling big government supporter is a BEAST-LOVER...because until the 'real' Beast comes along...the one we are living with will certainly suffice.
A person that supports gun control IS a 'gun controller'...just as is Shumer, et al.
The number of weapons he owns is immaterial.
The amount of money he sends to NRA is irrelevant.
The trips to the Statehouse or DC is merely COVER for their gun controlling advocacy.
MOST such people take strident offence at me for pointing that out...and instead of taking OWNERSHIP of their mindset..they choose to attack ME over my pointing out the dichotomy.
When they attack me...I demonstrate that I too can fight in the gutters that they wade in.
Bluntly...they feel that I 'start' the name calling...because anyone that supports gun control IS A GUN CONTROLLER.
Then it normally spins out of control.
I believe, that much as an alcoholic MUST admit to BEING addicted to alcohol...the gun controller MUST admit to being one before mental healing can begin...for gun control advocacy is a mental illness.
It amuses me, keeps my 'verbal judo' skills honed and my wit and repartee sharp.
I make no apology for doing so, nor will I.
That, too.....[:D]
Captain ;
That, too.....[:D]
[;)][:D][:)]
Werwolf;
Much of what is called 'name calling, insults, snubs, and parting shots' are administered by me.
Sorry, but I don't agree with that as all of us are guilty of this and you cant solely take the blame.
I hope that you didn't see my statement as directed at you because it was not as I am an ally, but I see the constant arguing, bickering and infighting self defeating to say the least and very counter productive to our goal of victory.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
When they attack me...I demonstrate that I too can fight in the gutters that they wade in.
I fully agree hence my statement for returning fire, however it is unfortunate that we all cannot join together against our common enemy the evil gov empire, but our differences in our beliefs will prevent this and I will not waver from mine, to the death.
This here is an ongoing war between Highball, the CA's, myself and others who are strict Constitutionalists vs. JimRau, TRFox, Melkor, 45Long, BobsBullets???, etc, who have a more 'liberal'? approach and are not as strict? (not sure how you want to be referred too) and seem to believe that 2A/RKBA is open to interpretation.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
I make no apology for doing so, nor will I.
Me neither, however I am also an officer and so a professional and a gentleman by decree.
Okay, now I need to take my leave of this place for a while for that long walk, so I bid you all regards.
The complaint often made is that 'infighting' weakens us.
I disagree...strongly.
I call it 'winnowing out the chaff'. A group is only as strong as its weakest members..in so far as the strong MUST consider and make allowances for the weakest.
We in the gun community have been nearly destroyed by allowing the weak-willed sob sisters to speak for us...the NRAs, the TRfoxes, the JimRaus. Allowing gun controllers to set gun policy is an exercise in DISASTER...bluntly.
There should be ONE VOICE in the gun culture;
"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the Right of the people shall not be infringed".
EVERY SPOKEN WORD..EVERY DIME SPENT..EVERY WRITTEN SENTENCE ought to spring directly off those words.
A determined effort OUGHT to be made to educate every citizen about that meaning of those few words.
After being brought to the attention of each citizen ;
EVERY man that speaks otherwise OUGHT to be 'zumboed' out. Publicly humiliated and scorned for the coward and compromiser he really is.
I agree with you completely, however I am also willing to try and convert those that don't believe that there is only the Constitution and the Republic and a strict unwavering belief that must exist, will not and does not follow interpretation, collectivism or progressiveness of any kind and is not part of it whatsoever nor can it be to exist by and of itself for the Republic. However beating the non believers into submission doesn't seem to get them to come over to our side any sooner, neither would gallowing them I suppose; however I say again I will not waver in my own beliefs and if they will not conform then there is nothing more that can be done for them and I say begone to them.
When I refer to 'infighting is self defeating' although it does 'winnow the chaff', I am referring to the fact that we could be even stronger if more would join us by first being part of us, but not if it means for them to be amongst us to betray us to the gov for liberalism and their own compromised beliefs of loyalty to the beast; for the only way to uphold the Constitution and the republic is to first believe and understand it without compromise even if it means to die for ones beliefs, people have long forgotten the ideals of our Fore Fathers.
Well, like I have been saying I need to take my leave for a while for that long walk...
Regards...
Tiocfaidh ?r l?!
There you have put your finger on the most important aspect of the situation.
Personally, I think we no longer have the luxury of bearing the corruption of those determined to support the evil that surrounds us. I believe that the hour of the time is close upon us...that lines MUST be drawn...for the future of the Republic.
We must no longer suffer the indignity of watching those that we SHOULD be able to trust selling us...and the country...out.
Better to call them what they are...and set them on the other side of a deep chasm. At least...in our own minds.
That is what I strive to do on these forums. Force the Beast lover to expose himself...ON THE RECORD...so that all may see his duplicity and lack of American spirit.
Most folks here, like me, are normal patriotic Americans, Veterans, Cops, Sportsmen, Collectors, whatever. The Liberals love to see folks with the 'Sic Semper Tyrannis' signs at the Tea Party rallies.
Nobody here on these boards are supporters 'Of the Beast' as one of you thinks....For God sake, we all have the same goal here: to live our live freely and not have our constitutional rights vanish.
Not everyone that works for the US Government is anti-gun. All I am trying to do here is tell people to chill out a little and stop the 'End is Near' mentality from consuming you. I have read statements here that make me sad that we have come to the point where people are so worked up into a frenzy that they are not making the rest of us look like kooks.
I love my country dearly, have served in the military with honor, and now as a cop serving my community. As a general rule, we are all preaching to the choir here - when we do encounter members of the public that are uneducated about gun control I would not want some of the folks here as the poster boy for the cause. Just my two cents guys....I will try to hold my tongue from now on.
If you are a gun controller...ADMIT IT.
Be HONEST...for once in your life.
I can respect an honest gun controller FAR more then the trfoxes/wayne lapiaire, etc, out there...people that want to hide behind 'fighting gun control' balderdash...as they water down the Rights that SOME of us hold dear...
I don't give a rats az what a gun controller THINKS about me...simply because they ALSO find the Founders to be fanatics.
'Sweet reason' is what brought us to 20,000 ++++ gun control laws. You go right ahead employing your failed methods.
I will continue to call a gun controller what they are...mentally ill.
Actually, you have not been around here long enough to accurately make that statement and if you have been, but under a different name, you are being disingenuous, at best.
There are, in fact, a number of members here who support predatory globalist-collectivist government, some call it 'the beast', accurately I must add.
In addition, 'we all' certainly do NOT have the same goal here.
Many here simply do not want to live in a nation governed within the constraints of the Constitution and they detest the very thought of doing so and those who advocate it.
1) Convicted Felons should NOT be allowed to posess firearms
2) Machineguns should be registered with the government, as should other firearms OVER .50 caliber (not Barretts, OVER .50 caliber), Shotguns are exempt from this rule (unless its a machinegun)
3) Persons under 18 should not be allowed to purchase handguns, they may posess them with their parents knowledge and consent.
4) If a firearm is transferred to an individual from a dealer, they should be required to keep a copy (4473) in case the firearm turns up later in a crime. Private and gun show sales should be through a federal firearms dealer to prevent firearms being purchased by criminals.
How are any of these laws a bad thing? Certainly you can't defend felons with guns, kids with pistols (w/o parents knowledge or consent), criminals with machinguns...
Don't give me the arguement that the Army and the ATF are teaming up with the United Nations to do door-to-door gun collection, because that ain't going to happen - even though folks have been saying its going to happen ever year in some fashion.
Regardless of what you think of the current Administration, or Congress, please tell me ONE gun control bill that has been introduced and/or passed? Don't give me examples of how the State Dept wants some UN crap here because that is not the law.
I started this thread because I was responding to Jim and the thread was locked before I got done, But now It has turned into something much more useful than my "Parting shot" to Jim
I am not a wordsmith just try to explain the way I see it and usually It dont READ the way I ment it[:I] However Jim...... I still stick to what I said............[;)]
I am as guilty as the rest, But I still dont feel I attacked Jim or called him names I lumped him in with the crazies that dont believe in what they already have (thanks to men who were much smarter than us......IMHO)
You asked, so I will tell you. Here are the 'reasonable' measures that I agree with, most of which are already law.
1) Convicted Felons should NOT be allowed to posess firearms
2) Machineguns should be registered with the government, as should other firearms OVER .50 caliber (not Barretts, OVER .50 caliber), Shotguns are exempt from this rule (unless its a machinegun)
3) Persons under 18 should not be allowed to purchase handguns, they may posess them with their parents knowledge and consent.
4) If a firearm is transferred to an individual from a dealer, they should be required to keep a copy (4473) in case the firearm turns up later in a crime. Private and gun show sales should be through a federal firearms dealer to prevent firearms being purchased by criminals.
How are any of these laws a bad thing? Certainly you can't defend felons with guns, kids with pistols (w/o parents knowledge or consent), criminals with machinguns...
Don't give me the arguement that the Army and the ATF are teaming up with the United Nations to do door-to-door gun collection, because that ain't going to happen - even though folks have been saying its going to happen ever year in some fashion.
Regardless of what you think of the current Administration, or Congress, please tell me ONE gun control bill that has been introduced and/or passed? Don't give me examples of how the State Dept wants some UN crap here because that is not the law.
And there we have Bobsbullets...gun controller.
He wants to EXTEND the cold slimy hand of government DEEPER into the chest of Lady Liberty...clutching the heart even harder...in his attempt to choke the life out of freedom.
See what I mean....when you hear the gun controllers shout out that 'we are all on the same page' ? 'We must join together" ?
Yeah...they ain't a damn BIT interested in joining the Founders version...merely THEIR warped, perverted version of the Second is all that is important.
READ that laundry list of big government adoration...and tell me that he is 'your friend'...you that love Liberty.
It also appears that he is in the tank for the current administration...which would explain EVERYTHING.
Werwolf;
Much of what is called 'name calling, insults, snubs, and parting shots' are administered by me.
I freely admit it.
Allow me to explain that a bit.
I spent many years of my life respecting, logically discussing, peacefully disagreeing, cajoling, pleading, and begging those that rode on the other side of the fence..the anti-gun big government psychophants.
There reached a point in my life that I finally recognized that I was playing THEIR game...that I was condoning and justifying THEIR aberrant behaviour with my understanding of that behaviour.
At that point...I started calling a spade a spade. A gun controlling big government supporter is a BEAST-LOVER...because until the 'real' Beast comes along...the one we are living with will certainly suffice.
A person that supports gun control IS a 'gun controller'...just as is Shumer, et al.
The number of weapons he owns is immaterial.
The amount of money he sends to NRA is irrelevant.
The trips to the Statehouse or DC is merely COVER for their gun controlling advocacy.
MOST such people take strident offence at me for pointing that out...and instead of taking OWNERSHIP of their mindset..they choose to attack ME over my pointing out the dichotomy.
When they attack me...I demonstrate that I too can fight in the gutters that they wade in.
Bluntly...they feel that I 'start' the name calling...because anyone that supports gun control IS A GUN CONTROLLER.
Then it normally spins out of control.
I believe, that much as an alcoholic MUST admit to BEING addicted to alcohol...the gun controller MUST admit to being one before mental healing can begin...for gun control advocacy is a mental illness.
HB,
This is almost funny!!![;)] I spent MANY YEARS arguing the point of view you and others here now promote, 'what part of shall not infringe do you not understand'!!! I learned all this did was push people away and hindered the roll back of all these unconstitutional laws we have on the books. Once you lose creditability to those you are trying to convince there is a problem it's all over with! Just some of this reality of which we all must live with. Being in denial does not change it!!! The name calling and bogus labels, ie. 'gun controller' serves no purpose except to make your feel good, it does not change the truth. We ALL agree there is way to much 'gun control' in this country and we MUST change it!! I do not agree with 'Bobs' either, but it is a place to start the discussion, not end it!!!
WE ALL have been guilty of letting our emotions speak out here, me included. I apologized to Jeff for what I said and I thing we both have more respect for each other, even though we do not totally agree on the degree of 'management' necessary to achieve a WORKABLE balance in this country to achieve both 'freedom' and 'safety' of all.
You and others seem to ignore/deny two very important facets of human behavior (human nature)!
1. People do not 'trust' others as a general rule. The greater the difference between then the greater the distrust. This is a trait of both the good and bad people in the world.
2. There are a small number of people in this world who are 'victimizers' and they will misuse the RTKABA's to victimize the rest of us. The 'average' citizen will not run out and buy a full auto weapon to 'defend' themselves, most will not even except the responsibility now, but the 'victimizer' will take full advantage of this 'freedom' to have the 'power' over the people he wishes to victimize.
Just some of the 'reality' we MUST consider when we decide to 'manage' this right. And as I have said MANY times, you are promoting the way it 'SHOULD BE' but this not the way it 'WILL BE'!!!
You have had your rant...now please answer the question - Do you think that convicted felons should be able to posess guns?
Of course not.
While in prison, gun Rights are just ONE of the many Rights denied inmates.
The INSTANT they walk out the door of the prison...having paid their debt to society...of COURSE they should be handed back their .45...to resume their life in Society as best they can.
If they are not deemed fit to regain their Rights...theya re not fit to walk in Society as a free man again.
quote:Do you think that convicted felons should be able to posess guns?
Of course not.
While in prison, gun Rights are just ONE of the many Rights denied inmates.
The INSTANT they walk out the door of the prison...having paid their debt to society...of COURSE they should be handed back their .45...to resume their life in Society as best they can.
If they are not deemed fit to regain their Rights...theya re not fit to walk in Society as a free man again.
+1, as ol' stinkfoot would say, Damn Straight.
Felons - can't answer it any better than HB did.
Registration of machine guns does what? How does this keep anyone safer?
Why register those over 50 cal? Why not register 50 cal. A criminal might be able to make that 1800 yd shot. Hell why not register the 338's too, There are alot of people just as effective with 338 as anyone else is with a machine gun. They can kill you from much further away, even if single shot. Where does the line get drawn and why do you get to draw it?
If the kid has parental consent why should it matter who does the transaction? In my household my kids had to have my consent for everything they did until 18.
FFL transfers stop how many criminals from getting guns? So after everyone has been restricted from private sales how are you gonna stop criminals from stealing them? There are always going to be those in society who do not act responsibly, you will not lessen that by taking away responsibility from those who are responsible.
Please get your copy of the Constitution and Bill of Rights out and quote me chapter and verse where it commands you to deprive a man of his Rights in perpetuity for the commission of a crime that does does not demand the death penalty ?
You let him out of prison...he gets his Rights back.
You are absolutely correct about ONE statement you make ;
ONE of us is INDEED NUTS !!!
You asked, so I will tell you. Here are the 'reasonable' measures that I agree with, most of which are already law.
1) Convicted Felons should NOT be allowed to posess firearms
2) Machineguns should be registered with the government, as should other firearms OVER .50 caliber (not Barretts, OVER .50 caliber), Shotguns are exempt from this rule (unless its a machinegun)
3) Persons under 18 should not be allowed to purchase handguns, they may posess them with their parents knowledge and consent.
4) If a firearm is transferred to an individual from a dealer, they should be required to keep a copy (4473) in case the firearm turns up later in a crime. Private and gun show sales should be through a federal firearms dealer to prevent firearms being purchased by criminals.
How are any of these laws a bad thing?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
That's how.
I would agree with you 100% if the courts would actually make people go to jail to pucish them for their crimes, unfortunately more often than not, they get placed on probation or only serve 1/8 of their sentence. You are living in a dream world - You are alot more trusting than I am, I DO NOT want violent felons walking into a gun store and leaving with a pistol....By the way, I think about 90% of the people in the U.S. agree with me, the other 10% are convicted felons and extremists like you that think a child molester out of prison that has 'paid his debts to society' should be able to own a machinegun. Sorry my friend, but you are twisted to think that the constitution grants him that right.
Perhaps we should strip him of his other rights as well. For instance, his right to religion as enumerated in Amendment I, no?
I suppose you think that looking at kiddy porn is protected under the 1st Amendment?
Like I said 95% of the public agrees with me on this one (except convicted felons). Hate to tell you this, but the minute you say something like 'an ex-con should be able to own a machingun' - you are not helping the movement.
Go ahead and stand behind your 'Don't dread on me' flag.
Guess what? Speaking as a cop, if you are convicted of a violent felony and I find out you have guns....I AM going to tread all over you. You will be arrested, and your guns will be seized - that's the law. Good luck overturning that one...
Gimmie a freakin break~!