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quote:"inalienable" refers to rights rights that cannot be surrendered, sold, transfered to another or capable of being repudiated. Even though its suggested, it doesn't however, directly reflect that those rights are granted by a "higher power".Really?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Declaration of Independence, 2nd para.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:"inalienable" refers to rights rights that cannot be surrendered, sold, transfered to another or capable of being repudiated. Even though its suggested, it doesn't however, directly reflect that those rights are granted by a "higher power".Really?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Declaration of Independence, 2nd para.
yup. Why we allow these rights to continue to be treated as a privilege is beyond me.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
lt, thank you for the clarification on "Unalienable" and "Inalienable"; I stand corrected.
But please let me point out that the phrase ""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights," is not found in either the BOR or the COTUS; its found in the Declaration of Independence.
Even though the Declaration of Independence is a powerful document, it does not offer any governing powers thereto.
Among other purposes, the Declaration of Independence marked the official separation between the 13 colonies and Great Britain and officially declared war against Great Britain, even though the first shots of the war took place nearly a year earlier.
In the words of Thomas Paine, the DOI served us as "an expression of the American mind."
The COTUS and the BOR are this nation's standing documents which created the primary (Federal) government of the United States and certain procedures of said government. The BOR explains the basic rights of all American citizens.
You are correct: God's purpose for every man to have certain rights is cited, but not in the COTUS or the BOR, which was what was assumed earlier.
quote:Even though the Declaration of Independence is a powerful document, it does not offer any governing powers thereto.The Declaration of Independence has been adopted into the United States Code.
lt, thank you for the clarification on "Unalienable" and "Inalienable"; I stand corrected.
But please let me point out that the phrase ""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights," is not found in either the BOR or the COTUS; its found in the Declaration of Independence.
Even though the Declaration of Independence is a powerful document, it does not offer any governing powers thereto.
Among other purposes, the Declaration of Independence marked the official separation between the 13 colonies and Great Britain and officially declared war against Great Britain, even though the first shots of the war took place nearly a year earlier.
In the words of Thomas Paine, the DOI served us as "an expression of the American mind."
The COTUS and the BOR are this nation's standing documents which created the primary (Federal) government of the United States and certain procedures of said government. The BOR explains the basic rights of all American citizens.
You are correct: God's purpose for every man to have certain rights is cited, but not in the COTUS or the BOR, which was what was assumed earlier.
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Okay RogueStatesmen.
I personally just like a good debate, to get people to think of things a little different, to open up minds a little that's all.
I do have one question for you though,
Do you believe the first 10 amendments to the Bill Of Rights are inalienable rights?
Lemme just say sumthin. according to natural law, Gods law he is mistaken. According to the laws of the land his is correct. they fact they are not legitmate is neither here nor there.
You get caught with a concealed pistol without the Permit (phisical form that conveys permission), you will be arrested or killed.
If you have a gun with a barrel to short without the permit, you get arrested or killed.
You got a gun thats shot to many times per trigger pull according to uncle sugar thats grounds for imprisonment or death.
You can have it, yes, but they will kill you if they catch you, if you dont submit.. And submitting is what people do to get permission. In this case its permission to go to prison, and have everything you have stolen instead of being murdered.
Thats the sum of things when observed through the lense of objective natural law. By which I mean That is the self evident facts, that every man has to come to if he is sane and completely honest with himself.
You folks give this man far to much BS, and it is unwarranted and un earned.
I will never allow myself to be murdered for owning a thing. therefor I submit, and by that act of submission I retain my privilege to live, and own my stuff.
The fact that you have to submit or die for anything other then mundane needs in a free country is absurd.
The words submit or die and the words free country are mutually exclusive. If you have to submit or die, you are not free.
again that is the truth of things through the lense of nautral law, The self evident Obvious facts.
I dont factor murderers and such into my thinking.. I am talking about the normal people. The ones who respect freedom.
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Declaration of Independence, 2nd para.
quote:"inalienable" refers to rights rights that cannot be surrendered, sold, transfered to another or capable of being repudiated. Even though its suggested, it doesn't however, directly reflect that those rights are granted by a "higher power".Really?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Declaration of Independence, 2nd para.
yup. Why we allow these rights to continue to be treated as a privilege is beyond me.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
But please let me point out that the phrase ""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights," is not found in either the BOR or the COTUS; its found in the Declaration of Independence.
Even though the Declaration of Independence is a powerful document, it does not offer any governing powers thereto.
Among other purposes, the Declaration of Independence marked the official separation between the 13 colonies and Great Britain and officially declared war against Great Britain, even though the first shots of the war took place nearly a year earlier.
In the words of Thomas Paine, the DOI served us as "an expression of the American mind."
The COTUS and the BOR are this nation's standing documents which created the primary (Federal) government of the United States and certain procedures of said government. The BOR explains the basic rights of all American citizens.
You are correct: God's purpose for every man to have certain rights is cited, but not in the COTUS or the BOR, which was what was assumed earlier.
[:)]
lt, thank you for the clarification on "Unalienable" and "Inalienable"; I stand corrected.
But please let me point out that the phrase ""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights," is not found in either the BOR or the COTUS; its found in the Declaration of Independence.
Even though the Declaration of Independence is a powerful document, it does not offer any governing powers thereto.
Among other purposes, the Declaration of Independence marked the official separation between the 13 colonies and Great Britain and officially declared war against Great Britain, even though the first shots of the war took place nearly a year earlier.
In the words of Thomas Paine, the DOI served us as "an expression of the American mind."
The COTUS and the BOR are this nation's standing documents which created the primary (Federal) government of the United States and certain procedures of said government. The BOR explains the basic rights of all American citizens.
You are correct: God's purpose for every man to have certain rights is cited, but not in the COTUS or the BOR, which was what was assumed earlier.
[:)]
Okay RogueStatesmen.
I personally just like a good debate, to get people to think of things a little different, to open up minds a little that's all.
I do have one question for you though,
Do you believe the first 10 amendments to the Bill Of Rights are inalienable rights?
I am learning a lot about our founding from you. I particularly enjoy the wise definitive lecture method that you have been using.[:)]
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Ok, I didn't expect the smart-* remarks, but ok ... whatever.
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Sometimes you gotta let off a bit o' pressure. Today was that day.
No offense rogue.[:)]
You get caught with a concealed pistol without the Permit (phisical form that conveys permission), you will be arrested or killed.
If you have a gun with a barrel to short without the permit, you get arrested or killed.
You got a gun thats shot to many times per trigger pull according to uncle sugar thats grounds for imprisonment or death.
You can have it, yes, but they will kill you if they catch you, if you dont submit.. And submitting is what people do to get permission. In this case its permission to go to prison, and have everything you have stolen instead of being murdered.
Thats the sum of things when observed through the lense of objective natural law. By which I mean That is the self evident facts, that every man has to come to if he is sane and completely honest with himself.
You folks give this man far to much BS, and it is unwarranted and un earned.
I will never allow myself to be murdered for owning a thing. therefor I submit, and by that act of submission I retain my privilege to live, and own my stuff.
The fact that you have to submit or die for anything other then mundane needs in a free country is absurd.
The words submit or die and the words free country are mutually exclusive. If you have to submit or die, you are not free.
again that is the truth of things through the lense of nautral law, The self evident Obvious facts.
I dont factor murderers and such into my thinking.. I am talking about the normal people. The ones who respect freedom.
There is something poetic in that thought.
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