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There is NO useful purpose for the BATFE in our society. Gun laws are unConstitutional and are without merit, unless you're one who leans and accepts a nation based upon socialism and totalitarianism. Our Founding Fathers wrote our nation's documents and those documents are the reasons ATF should NOT EXIST.
Enfringing upon the Rights of the American citizen has been the ATF's goal from its conception and they continue to chip away at our freedoms while going basically unchecked.
Disbanning and disarming the BATFE is the ONLY ANSWER.
quote:Originally posted by ninefingers
ATF does have a use, but needs serious reality check. Anti-gunners have NO place as its chief. They need do there job objectively.
No agency has right of making, interrpreting, And enforcing rules. Not all three. That's why we have congreess, supreme court, And a president, not lumped together into some monarchy.
They redefined "flash powder" and "black powder" as:" H.E"--any chemist can tell you they are wrong. They have no business redefining chemistry and then enforcing it. They are only on the enforcing end, and do a poor job of that. Really should be left for more experiemnced, like federal marshals or FBI.
I met a dealer at a gun show, who had his customer fill out Federal transfer form to best of his abilities. Customer was ok'd. A Month later, ATF reneged, called the dealer and said:"What was his address, again?"[xx(] Their slip-up is Not the dealer's fault; it now makes Him look "bad" and possibly let a prohibited possessor get away. It also hurt his sales, and make him "gun-shy" (no pun!) of anyone who even Seemed "suspicious", after that snafu. He was ready to go over to the ATF booth at the gun show and chew them out with me.
The BATF has become a political arm of government, it should have it's claws removed.
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by RogueStatesman
Let me just go on and say this ...
There is NO useful purpose for the BATFE in our society. Gun laws are unConstitutional and are without merit, unless you're one who leans and accepts a nation based upon socialism and totalitarianism. Our Founding Fathers wrote our nation's documents and those documents are the reasons ATF should NOT EXIST.
Enfringing upon the Rights of the American citizen has been the ATF's goal from its conception and they continue to chip away at our freedoms while going basically unchecked.
Disbanning and disarming the BATFE is the ONLY ANSWER.
quote:Originally posted by ninefingers
ATF does have a use, but needs serious reality check. Anti-gunners have NO place as its chief. They need do there job objectively.
No agency has right of making, interrpreting, And enforcing rules. Not all three. That's why we have congreess, supreme court, And a president, not lumped together into some monarchy.
They redefined "flash powder" and "black powder" as:" H.E"--any chemist can tell you they are wrong. They have no business redefining chemistry and then enforcing it. They are only on the enforcing end, and do a poor job of that. Really should be left for more experiemnced, like federal marshals or FBI.
I met a dealer at a gun show, who had his customer fill out Federal transfer form to best of his abilities. Customer was ok'd. A Month later, ATF reneged, called the dealer and said:"What was his address, again?"[xx(] Their slip-up is Not the dealer's fault; it now makes Him look "bad" and possibly let a prohibited possessor get away. It also hurt his sales, and make him "gun-shy" (no pun!) of anyone who even Seemed "suspicious", after that snafu. He was ready to go over to the ATF booth at the gun show and chew them out with me.
The BATF has become a political arm of government, it should have it's claws removed.
What in the hell do you mean "has become"?
Are you really that stupid?
It always was, and was intended, for better or worse, to be an arm of the "government".
Just how stupid are some of you folks?
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Let me just go on and say this ...
There is NO useful purpose for the BATFE in our society. Gun laws are unConstitutional and are without merit, unless you're one who leans and accepts a nation based upon socialism and totalitarianism. Our Founding Fathers wrote our nation's documents and those documents are the reasons ATF should NOT EXIST.
Enfringing upon the Rights of the American citizen has been the ATF's goal from its conception and they continue to chip away at our freedoms while going basically unchecked.
Disbanning and disarming the BATFE is the ONLY ANSWER.
quote:Originally posted by ninefingers
ATF does have a use, but needs serious reality check. Anti-gunners have NO place as its chief. They need do there job objectively.
No agency has right of making, interrpreting, And enforcing rules. Not all three. That's why we have congreess, supreme court, And a president, not lumped together into some monarchy.
They redefined "flash powder" and "black powder" as:" H.E"--any chemist can tell you they are wrong. They have no business redefining chemistry and then enforcing it. They are only on the enforcing end, and do a poor job of that. Really should be left for more experiemnced, like federal marshals or FBI.
I met a dealer at a gun show, who had his customer fill out Federal transfer form to best of his abilities. Customer was ok'd. A Month later, ATF reneged, called the dealer and said:"What was his address, again?"[xx(] Their slip-up is Not the dealer's fault; it now makes Him look "bad" and possibly let a prohibited possessor get away. It also hurt his sales, and make him "gun-shy" (no pun!) of anyone who even Seemed "suspicious", after that snafu. He was ready to go over to the ATF booth at the gun show and chew them out with me.
The BATF has become a political arm of government, it should have it's claws removed.
quote:Originally posted by RogueStatesman
Let me just go on and say this ...
There is NO useful purpose for the BATFE in our society. Gun laws are unConstitutional and are without merit, unless you're one who leans and accepts a nation based upon socialism and totalitarianism. Our Founding Fathers wrote our nation's documents and those documents are the reasons ATF should NOT EXIST.
Enfringing upon the Rights of the American citizen has been the ATF's goal from its conception and they continue to chip away at our freedoms while going basically unchecked.
Disbanning and disarming the BATFE is the ONLY ANSWER.
quote:Originally posted by ninefingers
ATF does have a use, but needs serious reality check. Anti-gunners have NO place as its chief. They need do there job objectively.
No agency has right of making, interrpreting, And enforcing rules. Not all three. That's why we have congreess, supreme court, And a president, not lumped together into some monarchy.
They redefined "flash powder" and "black powder" as:" H.E"--any chemist can tell you they are wrong. They have no business redefining chemistry and then enforcing it. They are only on the enforcing end, and do a poor job of that. Really should be left for more experiemnced, like federal marshals or FBI.
I met a dealer at a gun show, who had his customer fill out Federal transfer form to best of his abilities. Customer was ok'd. A Month later, ATF reneged, called the dealer and said:"What was his address, again?"[xx(] Their slip-up is Not the dealer's fault; it now makes Him look "bad" and possibly let a prohibited possessor get away. It also hurt his sales, and make him "gun-shy" (no pun!) of anyone who even Seemed "suspicious", after that snafu. He was ready to go over to the ATF booth at the gun show and chew them out with me.
The BATF has become a political arm of government, it should have it's claws removed.
What in the hell do you mean "has become"?
Are you really that stupid?
It always was, and was intended, for better or worse, to be an arm of the "government".
Just how stupid are some of you folks?