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Looks like a sad day in history for wa gun rights

Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,626 ✭✭✭✭
[:(]
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain

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  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,735 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes it does. Not even close.
    What's next?
  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,428 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That school shooting sealed 594's fate. Thankfully whoever wins Yakima County Sheriff will not enforce it..both candidates said they wouldn't. .as did the new DA. 594 will do nothing to prevent crime. Say goodbye to Facebook & Northwest firearms trading pages except for ammo unless you want use a FFL. The recall efforts should start but doubt they would unseat many in King County.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,626 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Proof positive you can buy an election result. What a pitiful pathetic lot.[xx(]
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,626 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I predict some costly legal battles ahead.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,626 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,735 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    I predict some costly legal battles ahead.


    I hope so, but I'd much rather see all the anti's die and go straight to hell.
    What's next?
  • CaptFunCaptFun Member, Moderator Posts: 16,645 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    I predict some costly legal battles ahead.


    I hope so, but I'd much rather see all the anti's die and go straight to hell.

    A lahar from Rainier would do the trick.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,626 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I should retitle my thread because it really is a loss for personal freedom. Not being able to privately sell personal goods. The precedent it sets is disturbing. And to think it was all predicated on a perpetrated myth of a nonexistent loophole.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,735 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    I predict some costly legal battles ahead.


    I hope so, but I'd much rather see all the anti's die and go straight to hell.

    A lahar from Rainier would do the trick.


    Amen to that!
    What's next?
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,626 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    I predict some costly legal battles ahead.


    I hope so, but I'd much rather see all the anti's die and go straight to hell.

    A lahar from Rainier would do the trick.


    Amen to that!
    don't you live in the blast zone?
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • CapnMidnightCapnMidnight Member Posts: 8,520
    edited November -1
    The Cascade Sportsman's Club semi monthly gun show will be a thing of the past. We've got a show coming up the first Saturday of December, I don't know when the law takes effect, but, I imagine that will be the last one. It's a shame, we donate around $2,500 a year to the local food bank, plus hundreds of pounds of food. We donate all the door proceeds.
    The longer I live, the more I dislike liberal politics.[:(]
    W.D.
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,735 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    I predict some costly legal battles ahead.


    I hope so, but I'd much rather see all the anti's die and go straight to hell.

    A lahar from Rainier would do the trick.


    Amen to that!
    don't you live in the blast zone?


    I do and it's hard to tell who's who. Some people have a strong southern drawl like me, some wear cowboy boots and hats and look the part, but aside from stuff like that it's hard to pick out the first class citizens.
    What's next?
  • CaptFunCaptFun Member, Moderator Posts: 16,645 ******
    edited November -1
    My point was that the lahar would wipe out the problem. As would a SuperVolcano suddenly erupting in the Minneapolis area.
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,735 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I didn't miss that Captain! [:D]
    What's next?
  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 18,734 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would say with the new law any gun show before it takes hold will be a sellers market ,Its sad it had to happen with the law that's causing it but I imagine there will be a big rush to get under the wire with what ever that can grab , do not blame the folks just a sad fact when people are about to loose a freedom .


    quote:Originally posted by CapnMidnight
    The Cascade Sportsman's Club semi monthly gun show will be a thing of the past. We've got a show coming up the first Saturday of December, I don't know when the law takes effect, but, I imagine that will be the last one. It's a shame, we donate around $2,500 a year to the local food bank, plus hundreds of pounds of food. We donate all the door proceeds.
    The longer I live, the more I dislike liberal politics.[:(]
    W.D.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,626 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    My point was that the lahar would wipe out the problem. As would a SuperVolcano suddenly erupting in the Minneapolis area.
    The point didn't escape me. The problem is the appreach is too indiscriminate. There are pockets of valuable conservatism that would unnecessarily be eliminated. The SAF, for example, is in Bellevue. Much of the peninsula is conservative, as is east Redmond and the Snoqualmie river valley and north of there.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,428 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CapnMidnight
    The Cascade Sportsman's Club semi monthly gun show will be a thing of the past. We've got a show coming up the first Saturday of December, I don't know when the law takes effect, but, I imagine that will be the last one. It's a shame, we donate around $2,500 a year to the local food bank, plus hundreds of pounds of food. We donate all the door proceeds.
    The longer I live, the more I dislike liberal politics.[:(]
    W.D.


    Nobody there at all that's an FFL? I know it sucks to have to use one but it's either that or have to drive 100 miles to a WAC show? Btw I still cannot find out if this law will have any bearing on pre 1898 guns.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,626 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gotta love the "we gotta pass it to find out what's in it" mentality of its proponents.[xx(]
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 48,607 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Proof positive you can buy an election result. What a pitiful pathetic lot.[xx(]


    You don't believe that $100,000,000 was spent on a Carolina Senate seat out of a burning desire to serve the public? It has always been about power, the only thing changing is what it costs to buy politicians.
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Member Posts: 35,702 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sad day is right, but ultimately effects me not, because I'm out.
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member, Moderator Posts: 29,604 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.

    According to this website, that's an exception to the law unless it was changed.

    http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/

    Reasonable Exceptions - background checks are not required for:

    Gifts between immediate family members
    Antiques and relics
    Temporary transfers for self-defense
    Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities
  • RobOzRobOz Member Posts: 9,199 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.


    How would the Gestapo know?
  • sxsnufsxsnuf Member Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    W. D.,
    Why not just move your show 20 minutes south?
    Arrivederci gigi
  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The entire left coast is going socialist taking the rest of the state with it. I can foresee a state income tax coming in the near future.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,626 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.

    According to this website, that's an exception to the law unless it was changed.

    http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/

    Reasonable Exceptions - background checks are not required for:

    Gifts between immediate family members
    Antiques and relics
    Temporary transfers for self-defense
    Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities

    terms are not well defined in it. But for example, I frequently hunt with my brother in law... not immediate family. What's more. Say two buddy's go shooting. It will be a Felony* to shoot your friends pistol, unless you go through an ffl for the transfer prior. And then back again when you hand it back.


    *EDIT: just re-read the measure to check that fact. It is only a gross misdemeanor for the first offense, felony for a subsequent offense.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • hillbillehillbille Member Posts: 11,386 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.

    According to this website, that's an exception to the law unless it was changed.

    http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/

    Reasonable Exceptions - background checks are not required for:

    Gifts between immediate family members
    Antiques and relics
    Temporary transfers for self-defense
    Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities

    terms are not well defined in it. But for example, I frequently hunt with my brother in law... not immediate family. What's more. Say two buddy's go shooting. It will be a Felony to shoot your friends pistol, unless you go through an ffl for the transfer prior. And then back again when you hand it back.


    loans for sporting activities would cover the two buddies shooting.......
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,626 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hillbille
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.

    According to this website, that's an exception to the law unless it was changed.

    http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/

    Reasonable Exceptions - background checks are not required for:

    Gifts between immediate family members
    Antiques and relics
    Temporary transfers for self-defense
    Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities

    terms are not well defined in it. But for example, I frequently hunt with my brother in law... not immediate family. What's more. Say two buddy's go shooting. It will be a Felony to shoot your friends pistol, unless you go through an ffl for the transfer prior. And then back again when you hand it back.


    loans for sporting activities would cover the two buddies shooting.......
    yes, if that were an actual exception. The website info is from proponents of the measure and they have been blatantly lying about what it actually says.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • EhlerDaveEhlerDave Member Posts: 5,158 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.

    According to this website, that's an exception to the law unless it was changed.

    http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/

    Reasonable Exceptions - background checks are not required for:

    Gifts between immediate family members
    Antiques and relics
    Temporary transfers for self-defense
    Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities

    terms are not well defined in it. But for example, I frequently hunt with my brother in law... not immediate family. What's more. Say two buddy's go shooting. It will be a Felony to shoot your friends pistol, unless you go through an ffl for the transfer prior. And then back again when you hand it back.


    Does the bill require 100% registration? If not how are they going to know who owns what?
    Just smile and say nothing, let them guess how much you know.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,626 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by EhlerDave
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.

    According to this website, that's an exception to the law unless it was changed.

    http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/

    Reasonable Exceptions - background checks are not required for:

    Gifts between immediate family members
    Antiques and relics
    Temporary transfers for self-defense
    Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities

    terms are not well defined in it. But for example, I frequently hunt with my brother in law... not immediate family. What's more. Say two buddy's go shooting. It will be a Felony to shoot your friends pistol, unless you go through an ffl for the transfer prior. And then back again when you hand it back.


    Does the bill require 100% registration? If not how are they going to know who owns what?
    It does not, but if you want to sell your personal goods, how would you go about it? Are you going to advertise? Risk a yard sale?
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • MBKMBK Member Posts: 3,503 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is the Bloomberg supported model law. I don't like it a bit.

    But here in Colorado, the majority of county sheriffs have said they will not enforce it.

    To my knowledge, there have been no prosecutions. And very few reported private transfers.

    But it certainly messes with gun rights.... for example, there are hunting exceptions for relatives but not for other back country activities. Can't lend a gun to a hiker or cross country, or ATV rider entering bear, lion, or marajuana grow country!

    Also the exceptions apply to official ranges and events.... but a heck of a lot of shooting is done in just plain rural settings.

    We have also had incidences where no local FFLs would perform the private BGCs....recently reported in Fort Collins.

    ==================================================

    I am making this edit to add a link written on the Wash Arms Collector site. Quite revealing. Some of this got passed in Colorado too.

    https://washingtonarmscollectors.org/reference/myths-initiative-594/
  • CapnMidnightCapnMidnight Member Posts: 8,520
    edited November -1
    The Sherriff thing is the same way here in Washington, our Sherriff and most of the surrounding counties have said they won't enforce it.
    We'll see. I'm on my way down to speak to him today.
    W.D.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 31,144 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.

    Open MASS civil disobedience would end that BS in a go fast hurry..
  • us55840us55840 Member Posts: 31,599 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Clearly, to many voters were duped by the anti-gun gang.

    [}:)][}:)]
    "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 59,626 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.

    Open MASS civil disobedience would end that BS in a go fast hurry..
    The voters just made it a criminal act to loan your buddy your rifle while you are target shooting on your private property. Open mass civil disobedience will rule the day. It's completely unenforceable. But I doubt that it's going anywhere soon.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • XXCrossXXCross Member Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Enacting I-594 will only accomplish two things, first it will
    push private gun sale deeper into the shadows and allow those
    who should not have a firearm easier access. Second, it confirms
    that big money can and will buy an election. (now that they have
    tasted blood, they will be back)
  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.

    Open MASS civil disobedience would end that BS in a go fast hurry..


    Concur,
    It dam sure works for the left.
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