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To All NRA Bashers
dsmith
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I'd like to know why everybody bashes the NRA. While the candidate that they actively supported last year did favor the assault weapon ban, he was the only real choice. If the NRA had put all its effort into getting a pro-gun third party elected and got 100% support of all its members, that would only be about 4 million people. It would take those votes from Bush and hand them over to Al Gore. Al Gore would make the assault weapons ban worse, encourage further UN restrictions (which Bush opposed) that apply to the United States, and we would have a leader who correctly claims to be anti-gun. Now we have a leader that claims to be pro-gun (an advantage in itself), and who is at least partially pro-gun.
By boycotting the NRA it makes it look like we are giving up the fight. The media will point out to the public that pro-gun people are giving up because membership to the NRA is down. To add your name to the "official" list of progun people, it is worth the $25 bucks a year (or whatever it costs). I'll probably join as many groups as I can, but I am an NRA member if for if nothing else, name recognition, and to get the "official" list of pro-gun people up.
By boycotting the NRA it makes it look like we are giving up the fight. The media will point out to the public that pro-gun people are giving up because membership to the NRA is down. To add your name to the "official" list of progun people, it is worth the $25 bucks a year (or whatever it costs). I'll probably join as many groups as I can, but I am an NRA member if for if nothing else, name recognition, and to get the "official" list of pro-gun people up.
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Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."
As far as bashing the NRA......well it sure has got you talking and others as well.That is a GOOD thing.If the bashing gets some to get things changed,thats even better.
Furthermore, they hve stood silent on GWs anti gun, and anti constitutional positions. They keep talking about "renewing the clinton assault weapon ban", but never say anything about the fact that the person who can renew the ban, George Bush, supports the renewal. When the arming pilots business came up, not once did the NRA mention the fact that GW was opposed to arming pilots. They mentioned Minetta, and a few other cronies, but never mentioned the fact that George Bush is opposed to arming pilots. So why should George Bush modify his anti gun stance, if the NRA does not do anything to challenge him? The NRAs silence with respect to GWs anti gun positions is essentially a green light for George Bush to do whatever he wishes.
The new pet project that the NRA has undertook, challenging McCain Feingolds incumbent protection bill, is interesting to say the least. They criticize McCain, Feingold, and all the other anti 1st amendment folks who promoted the legislation, BUT NOT ONCE HAVE I HEARD THEM SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT GEORGE BUSH IS THE MOST RESPONSIBLE, BECAUSE HE SIGNED THE LEGISLATION INTO LAW!!
I heard recently that the NRA is throwing their support behind Arlen Spector in his upcoming primary. Arlen Spector is not pro gun-the person who is challenging Arlen Spector is. So why are they supporting Spector and not Toomey? I would think a "gun rights" group would want the strongest candidate on the gun issue, but the NRA has proven time and time again that the best gun candidate is not necessarily the candidate they support.
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."
Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."
And to dsmith, you are free to do as you wish with your $$$$, but many have already voiced their dissatisfaction, or should I say attempted to voice it, to the NRA, and they do not care. They refuse to listen. If you can get somebody to listen, and tell them why you are displeased, they respond, "will you be renewing you membership?" My response,"weren't you listening?" Of course not! That is all they care about, membership DUES!
We should be able to elect good men, send them to Washington, trust they will do whats right, and thats that. But it doesn't seem to end up working that way, so we keep calling, and writing, and voting.
We don't give up.
We don't quit.
We don't cry "wa wa" take our ball and go home like some spoiled brat.
And we don't quite voting. ( I hope)
Same goes for the NRA. Your voice will not be heard if you are not a member!
So, join, write, call, vote, be active, that is the only way to effect change.
If you cry "wa wa" and take your ball and go home, I don't blame the NRA for ignoring you, after all, their job is to listen to their membership, not their "non membership"
Remember what the old guy said, "we must all hang together, or surely we will all hang separately!"
I am not sorry to say, you guys that complain, but won't participate, make me sick.
You may flame away now, but if you aren't a member of NRA, GOA, or some other effective Second Amendments rights organization, I really don't care what you have to say.
Lance
Member NRA, GOA, MCRGO.
Again, just go to the thread where all of this was discussed already, and see if you still fall on the same side of the line.
"Settling the NRA dispute"
, I don't blame the NRA for ignoring you, after all, their job is to listen to their membership, not their "non membership"
I am not sorry to say, you guys that complain, but won't participate, make me sick.
When I was a member, I voiced my objection to some of their policies-most of the time they would not even respond. When you get down to it, as an NRA member you either accpet what the brass says will be the position of the NRA, or you dont. The idea that the NRA listens to their 4 million members is laughable.
And it is always amuing how NRA members think "participation" in the gun rights movement, means membership in the NRA. The guys who are not in the NRA, do more to preserve gun rights than any NRA member does. NRA members generally think being a member of that compromising organization is enough.
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
This is not a suggestion, only an alternative. When the Second Amendment is repealed, what are you going to do? I would hope you disregard the repealment, keep your arms, and use it!!
Politically Correct- (adj.) pol-LIT-i-kal-LEE Kor-REKT. 1. Tyranny with manners. 2. A adjective used to describe a social policy that is otherwise repulsive or repugnant to society at large, in an attempt to normalize it into mainstream society by threat of political force. See also (politically corrupt)
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Remember how many seats were lost after AWB passage? Vae victis!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Your "quote" about the invention of guns and women being able to defend themselves and homes is right on! However, Ms Feinstein has a concealed carry permit, and Hillary has Secret Service protection. Can we then assume that all the liberal fems in Washington also have some sort of security assigned to them? And really, what are the chances of one of them getting mugged/assaulted?
Just for everyone's info...when Sharon Stone got married and moved to San Francisco, she came out and publicly stated that she and her husband were getting rid of the guns in the house. Why anyone would make an announcement like that, and on television, is beyond me. Anyway, less than two months passed before they were burglarized! Serves her right.
Thanks for letting me vent, guys....
John
An armed society is a polite society.
What a pathetic excuse for 'intelligent thought'..that post supposedly is.
You keep right on electing corrupt,venal little men to represent you..they don't HAVE to uphold the Constitution..because folks like you keep electing them ANYWAY !!!
The NRA has signed on to EVERY gun control law since 1933...and you send money to them ANYWAY !!!
You have the nerve to call ME a spoiled brat ???
Little fellow...I am standing squarely on the Constitution.Where are YOU standing ?
God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
Like this great country, the NRA is not perfect. Like this country, the NRA has had highs and lows throughout it's history. During highs, we lull ourselves with a false sense of security and become apathetic. Unfortunately, it takes lows to shake us from our apathy and motivate us to take action. Whether you believe the NRA to currently be at a "high" or a "low", take action now! If you believe in the high theory, then renew your membership and recruit a new member. If you subscribe to the low theory, contact the NRA and let them know what it will take for you to join, join another organization, or form your own. Either way, take action. It is only through action that we can bring about change.
I am a life member of the NRA. Do I expect them to reply to my every letter, email and phone call? No. I would rather they use precious resources to support the beliefs and opinions I shared in those letters, emails and phone calls. The response I want is their support of my beliefs and opinions. When they stop supporting my beliefs and opinions, I'll take action to promote the changes I want.
I don't wait for the NRA to tell me what their opinion is on a piece of legislation. I contact them and tell them what my opinion is! If I wait until after the NRA has taken actions that are against my beliefs and then choose to share my beliefs, then I have no one to blame but myself for their actions.
It boggles my mind how many people sit on their #@$%# and complain about how their company, school, city, or child's little league is run, yet when push comes to shove, they refuse to take action!
Though imperfect, I will continue to support the NRA. I will not be lulled into a false sense of security and I will continue to act to ensure that the NRA does support my beliefs. And, if every the time comes when I feel they no longer support my beliefs, I will double my efforts until they once again support my beliefs.
Stop whining about what the NRA doesn't do. Stop getting defensive when someone challenges your memebrship in the NRA. Get off your #@$%# and take action!
Spend some quality time investigating your precious "NRA" before you throw stones at people who really DO believe that the Second Amendment means EXACTLY what it says...
You know,all those people at the top of NRA saying.." If the nra dosen't defend your rights..they will be gone.."..What a crock.
The Second Amendment stil works because..it would be too expensive yet in terms of blood to go out and gather them up..
God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."
Protecting my right to say...???? I can't say how I really feel, because I can do no good if I disappear.
....only org that has fought.... let's compare, if we fought wars like the NRA fights the gunrights battle, well, the term Vietnam comes to mind.
quote:Unfortunately, it takes lows to shake us from our apathy and motivate us to take action.
How do you explain the present situation. Freedom at an all time low, apathy at an all time high. Your point of view must be through rose colored glasses.
quote:I would rather they use precious resources to support the beliefs and opinions
You really have been living in a cave for the last century. The NRA spent far more $ than the dues I sent them many times, trying to get me back. Let me elaborate so you don't misunderstand, I send in my dues, NRA slackers buckle to pressure and compromise my rights away in MY name, I get angry, let membership expire, NRA sends a half of a tree worth of mail, tree paid for by you, postage paid for by you, trying to get me back. Again I point out that they "spent" more money trying to get me back in the fold, than I ever sent them. I would estimate that I paid in around $250 over the span of 20 years, and I would imagine that they spent $1500 trying to get me to stay/come back, which worked several times at those "low" points you speak of. I have since opened my eyes and come to the understanding that there are many, much better avenues to take in keeping my gunrights, than wasting money with those liberals in conservatives clothing. Yea, they spend their money wisely.
quote:I don't wait for the NRA to tell me what their opinion
That's a good thing, you'd be voting for anti-gun politicians 80% of the time if you listened to them.
quote:It boggles my mind how many people sit on their #@$%# and complain about how their company, school, city, or child's little league is run, yet when push comes to shove, they refuse to take action!
If you consider joining the NRA "taking action", then you are part of the problem. You are an "enabler". You can write, email, call your representatives without supporting a group that is a double agent for the other side. Support a no compromise group and maybe things will change. Why should we ever compromise? Try asking that question of the NRA folks... if you like double talk by forked tongues.
quote:I will not be lulled into a false sense of security
Your support for this group is more than sufficient evidence that you have precisely been "lulled into a false sense of security". They did it to you. Wake up and look at their abissmal record. 20,000 gun laws and counting. Now that is stellar defense of the second, which is clear and requires NO COMPROMISE, and money well spent.
quote:Stop whining about what the NRA doesn't do.
I should take your advice here. It would be far easier and much less time consuming to talk about what they do accomplish. But on second thought, it's never been MY nature to do the EASY thing!
quote:Get off your #@$%# and take action!
I am getting far more accomplished on my own, and by helping groups who understand what the 2nd means, than you will ever get done with a group that has brainwashed you into believing that they really are in it to save your rights, not perpetuate the issue to maintain job security, with a few token gestures like saving a kid's t-shirt from the bowels of the all consuming govt. Sheesh, and I thought they were useless. You sure proved me wrong. THANK YOU NRA THANK YOU, for saving that kids shirt, now I know my gunrights are safe. I bow down to your strength and courage.
ATTN:EVERYBODY in the NRA. Dump this worthless good for nothing group immediately before they sacrifice our gunrights on the alter of tyranny in YOUR name just to keep a very lucritive salary! Take your 4 million membership to GOA, and get personally involved and DO something in the bloodless fight, like VOTE, write, email, call your reps. Flood their offices with with our beliefs. We are 90 million strong! We need to get out of the easy chair and let them know that we are no longer apathetic! or we will surely be in a bloody fight, (thanks in large part to this group you worship) the fight for our lives, our freedom, and our children's future!
I don't care whether you support the NRA, GOA, Hell's Angels or any other organization of your chosing. Stop whining about what your organization does and does not do. Stop whining about what some other organization does and does not do. Take action. Write, call, email, visit your elected officials. Then write, call, email and visit your family, friends, neighbors and coworkers. Encourage them to do the same. And finally, vote.
If only 1% of the energy spent on whining was applied to direct action, this country would be a better place.
Well...sheep....sheeple...whatever comes to mind.If you do support the NRA and if you DO NOT report and try to fight what they have been doing or not doing lately,and howmany EX- NRA members,some 20 year folks,some instructors etc.Well the you ARE Blindly folowing them.To those ignorant little lids that think we are just whining,well duh!,Don't YOU think that just MAYBE we have ALLREADY Tries to change that pathetic excuse of an organization from WITHIN?? DUH!!! Think about it.....It WILL NOT change.It IS the Good ole boys club....No disrespect intended and those of you all that know me,know that I do my best not to insult anyone,but to attempt to say that the veterans of the cause here do NOTHING because they do not belong to your precious NRA is a joke. YOU go change it boy...go ahead,and while you are wasting your time trying the rest of us will fight for you.I hope we win,you better as well....Its a free country...go ahead,don't listen to the experiance out here...no no ,couldn't have that,just go right ahead and follow the flock...BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Sigh....Is the NRA spending ANYTHING to educate the masses???? awww....forget it!
More common sense above then in bushels of NRA propaganda..Awfully difficult to defend a position when you stand on quicksand...eh,NRA backers ?
Man,I wish I could say something different about the NRA..they foole dme for many years,too.
NO MORE,..I will call them as I see them.And I won't allow NRA people to puff out their chests and tell ME I still own guns because of them...I own guns today still IN SPITE OF THEM...and their compromising stinking ways.
God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."
Agreed..the NRA does a bang-up job of teaching youngsters and such.
Teach them young ! Teach them often ! God bless America!
Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."
Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."
I just "rejoined" the NRA. I don't think they have all the answers (or lately any of the answers), but in the United States of America now and for many years in the past the NRA is one of the few organizations geared to helping us defend our 2nd amendment rights. When the NRA is mentioned in the news media everyone "assumes" they are a political power determined to stand firm against the anti-gunners attempts to disarm us. Even if they don't always do what I think they should do they ALWAYS let America know someone with power is out there to thwart the likes of Clintons, Kennedy's, Schumers..... If there are new organizations out there (GOA?), then join and support them, TOO.. The NRA is not all of the answer to our concerns, but it is one of them. JMO
The NRA has become a political power OUT OF CONTROL,much like the two parties in Washington. They do NOT represent gunowners BEST Interests in my Opinion and I'll NOT support another good ole boys club of ANY kind.This is JUST THE PROBLEM in AMERICAN POLITICS in general......We all think This one or That one is the only answer,we accept the "lesser" of two evils for our political represenatives because we have swallowed their SPIn that you may"throw your vote away" voting for anyone but them. All you NRA loving folks out there,Has ANY of you expressed ANY concern over the defection of those on this board that USED to be members?If so,I've not heard it...has any of YOU done ANYTHING about it?course not....thats ok,the Captain of the TITANIIC stayed on his ship also...........