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NRA Oks Strategy to Force Pro-Gun Senators to Support Assault Weapons
Ban, Gun Show InstaChecks
Your worst nightmare has come true!
Tomorrow morning (10 am Eastern Time), the Senate leadership -- headed
by the feckless Sen. Bill Frist (R-Tenn) -- is prepared to push a
comprehensive gun package which includes:
-- the gun liability bill (S. 659);
-- an extension of the so-called "Assault Weapons" ban;
-- a "Gun Show Loophole" bill, which will kill all gun shows.
And the NRA-ILA is getting ready to urge supposedly pro-gun senators to
vote for the entire package!
When the bill comes to the Senate floor, Senators Dianne Feinstein
(D-Calif) and John McCain (R-Ariz) are expected to offer amendments to
re-enact the so-called "Assault Weapons" ban and to "close the gun show
loophole."
Insiders with decades of experience lobbying Congress on gun issues
report one or both of these amendments are likely to pass with the NRA's
silent backing.
The "gun show loophole" amendment would effectively eliminate gun shows.
This is because it would be a felony to fail to notify each and every
"person who attends the [gun show] of the [requirements of the Brady
Law]." Thus, if the person responsible for handing out "Brady Law
pamphlets" goes to the bathroom, each and every member of the board of
the sponsoring organization could go to prison.
What everyone on the Hill knows is that, if the the NRA's silent deal
stands, there are a majority of votes in the US Senate to reauthorize
the Assault Weapons ban, and there may be the votes to close the "Gun
Show Loophole."
The NRA and Frist will quietly pressure pro-gun senators to vote for
these amendments -- complete with an extension of the Assault Weapons
gun ban and the McCain language to eliminate gun shows.
Of course, the NRA is publicly opposing the Assault Weapons ban
amendment, but know quite well that their silent deal will enable it to
pass.
The gig is up -- the NRA has crossed the line. The Assault Weapons ban
is the most important piece of legislation to ever face gun owners, and
they are playing games with it, all for a bill that will have only
limited effect on manufacturers of firearms.
The gun liability bill is a big priority for the NRA and the Senate
leadership. It would supposedly limit frivolous lawsuits against gun
dealers and manufacturers. BUT it would CONTINUE TO ALLOW SUITS FOR
NEGLIGENCE (dubbed "negligent entrustment" in the bill) AND FOR DESIGN
DEFECT.
Since 34 (out of 34) local government suits raise charges of
"negligence" -- and 27 out of 34 raise allegations of "design defect" --
S. 659 may not do much, and shouldn't be considered on the same plane of
importance as the "Assault Weapons" ban reauthorization.
The NRA's strategy is to risk the permanent ban of all military style
"assault weapons" so that they can pass a liability protection bill of
dubious merit.
But their risk is our loss.
As part of the NRA silent deal, not one piece of mail has been dropped
by the NRA to their members alerting them to the upcoming attack by the
anti-gunners. Their silence has allowed the anti-gunners a golden
opportunity to forever ban dozens of semi-auto firearms (and large
capacity magazines) and destroy gun shows as we know them.
Of course, as all pro-gunners know, the only way gun owners win is when
we all mobilize to defeat gun control. That's what we are doing right
here, and right now.
This is a classic case of the dog that didn't bark. The NRA didn't warn
members: as of the writing of this e-mail, there is nothing on their
website regarding this deal.
Right now the only pressure on the US Senate is from the anti-gunners
and the anti-gun media.
This will allow NRA operatives to quietly cut the deal to pass gun
control, and say "This is the best we can do."
They'll chalk up one victory (the liability portion) and two defeats
(assault weapons and gun shows), and hope the bill gets better in
Conference. This kind of cavalier gambit is what they have used for
decades, and gun owners always lose on these insider games.
What you can do:
Call the NRA-ILA immediately toll-free at 800-392-8683 and/or e-mail
them at Federal-Affairs@nrahq.org
You can also e-mail one of the NRA-ILA Director of Federal Affairs,
Chuck Cunningham, at ChuckC@visi.net.
Tell the NRA to immediately drop this idiotic plan to let the Assault
Weapons ban -- or any other gun control -- be tacked onto any
legislation, and to pull out all the stops to defeat these gun controls,
or lose your membership forever. If you are not an NRA member, tell
them you are not a member because of these kinds of appeasements of the
gun-grabbers.
Also contact both of Colorado's US Senators. Don't wait until later:
use the below sample communication to e-mail, fax, or call our US
Senators immediately. Or better yet, contact them in all three manners
Senator Wayne Allard
Phone: (202) 224-5941
Fax:(202) 224-6471
Contact via internet: http://allard.senate.gov/contactme (paste this url
into your browser, and type letter in the online form, or paste the text
below)
Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell
Phone(202) 224-5852
Fax:(202) 228-4609
Contact via internet: http://campbell.senate.gov/email.htm (paste this
url into your browser, and type letter in the online form, or paste the
text below)
SAMPLE COMMUNICATION
Dear Senator:
Senator Bill Frist will ask you to vote for an anti-gun package
containing:
-- S. 659, the gun liability bill;
-- an extension of the so-called "Assault Weapons" gun ban;
-- a gun show amendment which would effectively put gun shows out
of business.
S. 659 is not worth swallowing an extension on the Assault Weapons ban
or restrictions on gun shows. Both of these measures would constitute
very egregious violations of Congress' constitutional authority. I hope
you will do everything in your power to make sure these amendments do
not end up in the bill.
Please know that any senator who votes to extend the Assault Weapons ban
-- in whatever form -- or to restrict gun shows will be recognized as
the anti-gun politician that he is. I will be watching how you vote.
Thank you.
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
NRA Oks Strategy to Force Pro-Gun Senators to Support Assault Weapons
Ban, Gun Show InstaChecks
Your worst nightmare has come true!
Tomorrow morning (10 am Eastern Time), the Senate leadership -- headed
by the feckless Sen. Bill Frist (R-Tenn) -- is prepared to push a
comprehensive gun package which includes:
-- the gun liability bill (S. 659);
-- an extension of the so-called "Assault Weapons" ban;
-- a "Gun Show Loophole" bill, which will kill all gun shows.
And the NRA-ILA is getting ready to urge supposedly pro-gun senators to
vote for the entire package!
When the bill comes to the Senate floor, Senators Dianne Feinstein
(D-Calif) and John McCain (R-Ariz) are expected to offer amendments to
re-enact the so-called "Assault Weapons" ban and to "close the gun show
loophole."
Insiders with decades of experience lobbying Congress on gun issues
report one or both of these amendments are likely to pass with the NRA's
silent backing.
The "gun show loophole" amendment would effectively eliminate gun shows.
This is because it would be a felony to fail to notify each and every
"person who attends the [gun show] of the [requirements of the Brady
Law]." Thus, if the person responsible for handing out "Brady Law
pamphlets" goes to the bathroom, each and every member of the board of
the sponsoring organization could go to prison.
What everyone on the Hill knows is that, if the the NRA's silent deal
stands, there are a majority of votes in the US Senate to reauthorize
the Assault Weapons ban, and there may be the votes to close the "Gun
Show Loophole."
The NRA and Frist will quietly pressure pro-gun senators to vote for
these amendments -- complete with an extension of the Assault Weapons
gun ban and the McCain language to eliminate gun shows.
Of course, the NRA is publicly opposing the Assault Weapons ban
amendment, but know quite well that their silent deal will enable it to
pass.
The gig is up -- the NRA has crossed the line. The Assault Weapons ban
is the most important piece of legislation to ever face gun owners, and
they are playing games with it, all for a bill that will have only
limited effect on manufacturers of firearms.
The gun liability bill is a big priority for the NRA and the Senate
leadership. It would supposedly limit frivolous lawsuits against gun
dealers and manufacturers. BUT it would CONTINUE TO ALLOW SUITS FOR
NEGLIGENCE (dubbed "negligent entrustment" in the bill) AND FOR DESIGN
DEFECT.
Since 34 (out of 34) local government suits raise charges of
"negligence" -- and 27 out of 34 raise allegations of "design defect" --
S. 659 may not do much, and shouldn't be considered on the same plane of
importance as the "Assault Weapons" ban reauthorization.
The NRA's strategy is to risk the permanent ban of all military style
"assault weapons" so that they can pass a liability protection bill of
dubious merit.
But their risk is our loss.
As part of the NRA silent deal, not one piece of mail has been dropped
by the NRA to their members alerting them to the upcoming attack by the
anti-gunners. Their silence has allowed the anti-gunners a golden
opportunity to forever ban dozens of semi-auto firearms (and large
capacity magazines) and destroy gun shows as we know them.
Of course, as all pro-gunners know, the only way gun owners win is when
we all mobilize to defeat gun control. That's what we are doing right
here, and right now.
This is a classic case of the dog that didn't bark. The NRA didn't warn
members: as of the writing of this e-mail, there is nothing on their
website regarding this deal.
Right now the only pressure on the US Senate is from the anti-gunners
and the anti-gun media.
This will allow NRA operatives to quietly cut the deal to pass gun
control, and say "This is the best we can do."
They'll chalk up one victory (the liability portion) and two defeats
(assault weapons and gun shows), and hope the bill gets better in
Conference. This kind of cavalier gambit is what they have used for
decades, and gun owners always lose on these insider games.
What you can do:
Call the NRA-ILA immediately toll-free at 800-392-8683 and/or e-mail
them at Federal-Affairs@nrahq.org
You can also e-mail one of the NRA-ILA Director of Federal Affairs,
Chuck Cunningham, at ChuckC@visi.net.
Tell the NRA to immediately drop this idiotic plan to let the Assault
Weapons ban -- or any other gun control -- be tacked onto any
legislation, and to pull out all the stops to defeat these gun controls,
or lose your membership forever. If you are not an NRA member, tell
them you are not a member because of these kinds of appeasements of the
gun-grabbers.
Also contact both of Colorado's US Senators. Don't wait until later:
use the below sample communication to e-mail, fax, or call our US
Senators immediately. Or better yet, contact them in all three manners
Senator Wayne Allard
Phone: (202) 224-5941
Fax:(202) 224-6471
Contact via internet: http://allard.senate.gov/contactme (paste this url
into your browser, and type letter in the online form, or paste the text
below)
Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell
Phone(202) 224-5852
Fax:(202) 228-4609
Contact via internet: http://campbell.senate.gov/email.htm (paste this
url into your browser, and type letter in the online form, or paste the
text below)
SAMPLE COMMUNICATION
Dear Senator:
Senator Bill Frist will ask you to vote for an anti-gun package
containing:
-- S. 659, the gun liability bill;
-- an extension of the so-called "Assault Weapons" gun ban;
-- a gun show amendment which would effectively put gun shows out
of business.
S. 659 is not worth swallowing an extension on the Assault Weapons ban
or restrictions on gun shows. Both of these measures would constitute
very egregious violations of Congress' constitutional authority. I hope
you will do everything in your power to make sure these amendments do
not end up in the bill.
Please know that any senator who votes to extend the Assault Weapons ban
-- in whatever form -- or to restrict gun shows will be recognized as
the anti-gun politician that he is. I will be watching how you vote.
Thank you.
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
Comments
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
I realize alot of people in here have great disdain for the NRA but I do not find it helpful when our enemies lies are propagated in our own backyard.
I invite all viewers of this post to call the NRA/ILA themselves to verify this.1-800-392-8683.
We must unify at some point to defeat our common enemies.[^]
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT -- S. 1805 (formerly S. 659/S. 1806)
1-800-392-8683
www.nraila.org
Please forward this information to your family, friends, and fellow gun owners!
U.S. SENATE MUST ACT TO STOP PREDATORY GUN INDUSTRY LAWSUITS YOUR IMMEDIATE ACTION IS URGENTLY NEEDED
The floor debate has begun in the U.S. Senate on S. 1805 (S. 659/S. 1806), and a vote could come at any time! S.1805 will prohibit gun ban advocates from filing reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt America's firearms industry. The U.S. House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a similar bill last year to block these baseless lawsuits against firearms and ammunition manufacturers.
It is imperative that you contact both of your U.S. Senators and urge them to support a clean version of S. 1805 -- WITHOUT ANY ANTI-GUN AMENDMENTS (no extension/renewal of the semi-auto ban, no gun show language).
Also, be sure to contact your family, friends, and fellow Second Amendment supporters and have them call, e-mail, or fax both of their U.S. Senators and urge them to pass S. 1805 with NO ANTI-GUN AMENDMENTS!
Your immediate action is needed if we are to succeed in passing a clean bill through the Senate. PLEASE ACT NOW!
Contact information for your U.S. Senators can be found at:
http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/
You may also reach the U.S. Senate switchboard at 202-224-3121 and ask to be connected to your Senator's office.
For more information on S. 1805 see http://www.nraila.org/stoprecklesslawsuits.aspx
Here is the emails.
Subj: RE: your support of the wepons ban added to S1805 !
Date: 2/27/04 8:52:13 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: ILA-Contact@nrahq.org (ILA-Contact)
To: Wombogun@wmconnect.com
Recent internet alerts from some "pro-Second Amendment" groups have suggested that the National Rifle Association has either accepted a compromise that would include reenactment of the 1994 Clinton Gun ban and/or the McCain-Reed gun show restrictions, or will not actively fight against their passage in the Senate. Not only are these claims completely false and ridiculous but they are also extremely counterproductive to our legislative strategy and agenda. Gun control groups are spreading the same rumors in hopes of confusing pro-gun senators as to our position in hopes of gaining their support.
The National Rifle Association led the fight in opposition to this ill-conceived ban in 1994, led the efforts to repeal the ban two years later, and is leading the fight to ensure the Clinton gun ban expires on time on September 13. From public speeches, articles in NRA publications, communications to lawmakers and the development of a website (www.ClintonGunBan.com), the National Rifle association has been vocal and unambiguous about our position on this issue.
It is our hope that supposed "friends of the Second Amendment" will cease to provide ammunition to the enemy by disseminating this false information. Unfortunately, some of these groups seem intent on finding or creating any excuse to defeat S. 1805, perhaps because its passage has been a priority of the NRA for four years. The anti-gunners are seeking to undermine the Second Amendment and the legislative process by seeking to bankrupt firearms and ammunition manufacturers or get gun control restrictions through the courts through dozens of pending municipal lawsuits -- blaming the gun industry for the acts of criminals -- initiated by anti-gun big city mayors and greedy trial lawyers. A single judgement by a rogue judge or jury could wipe out the entire firearms industry making our gun rights worthless. Passage of S. 1805 is critical -- but not worth allowing legislation going to the President including either an extension of the Clinton gun ban or restrictions at gun shows. There will be no compromise. The only choice is a "clean" bill or no bill.
The legislative process in Congress is complex and far from perfect. Fortunately, Congress is a bicameral (two house) legislative body and both the House and Senate must agree on the same bill before enactment. While we are uncertain of the outcome of several pending anti-gun amendments in the Senate, the House is strongly pro-gun and it (or a conference committee) will not accept any anti-gun Senate-passed amendment as part of the final product to be sent to the President.
Pro-gun grassroots activists who want to advance our cause should not be distracted by misinformation and disinformation by our "friends." Instead, gun owners and sportsmen must keep our focus on the real action and contact -- by calls, e-mails, and faxes -- their two U.S. Senators urging them to vote for S. 1805 and against any and all anti-gun "poison pill" killer amendments including, but not limited to, the Clinton gun ban and gun shows. Use the "Write Your Representatives" (www.capwiz.com/nra/home) tool at www.NRAILA.org to contact your Senators and call them at 202-224-3121. We appreciate your active support in our cause to defend the Second Amendment and freedom itself.
Original Message
From: Wombogun@wmconnect.com [mailto:Wombogun@wmconnect.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:01 AM
To: NRA Federal Affairs
Subject: your support of the wepons ban added to S1805 !
If the ban passes I will do everything in my power to have everyone I know end there membership in the NRA. I will hold you the NRA responsible.
Thank you for contacting NRA-ILA. Please know that you may post the thread, it is no problem. It is also linked from our website, www.nraila.org.
Sincerely,
Sean Miller
Original Message
From: Wombogun@wmconnect.com [mailto:Wombogun@wmconnect.com]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:27 PM
To: ILA-Contact
Subject: Re: your support of the wepons ban added to S1805 !
I would like to thank you for your responce.I will also add the reason I and others respond this way when we here you the NRA our voice has betrayed us is because we the progun people are counting on you to let us be heard by those in power who otherwise would not here us. If the ban and other antigun garbage fails we as well as the antigun people will give the NRA credit for it but if the antigun trash passes we will also give you the NRA credit. I will do my part and try to let my officials know where I stand but we both know it will have little effect. You however are our collective voice.
With your permission I would like to post this in the thread at gunbroker.com.
That is where I found the info claiming the NRA was cutting deals.
IT "S better to die by fire then serve by force
It's not gun control. It's personal defense elimination. They only want to control ours.
you concentrate on spelling...while good men concentrate on your Second Amendment rights....OKAY ??
As for things that seriously detract from credibility (and I've read these too!):
1. lots of profanity.
2. name calling.
3. anger and venom, especially without any constructive suggestions.
4. writing in crayon.
5. cutting out newsprint letters to form sentences (this gets a little creepy).
6. writing in a spiral from the inside of the page, outward or vice-versa.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Tinman,my man...
you concentrate on spelling...while good men concentrate on your Second Amendment rights....OKAY ??
Agreed..and most of the half-wits up there can't spell either..and many apparently cannot read.
I asume,then,that the illiterates that graduate out of high schools all across this land..(because no politician has the balls to stand up to the NEA)...should be deprived of their rights...because they cannot compose a grammatically correct sentence..or spell the words either ?
There IS no spell checker on this board..and I prefer to read other opinions.Denigating people because they have a problem spelling drives them away...and perhaps keeps the ONE IDEA we desperately need locked up in somebodies head..instead of brought out in the open.
Don't you think a mild.." Please spell-check you note to the esteemed member of Congress " would have been a bit more couth then the smart-* crack of above ?
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
Highball, it's easy to say that, but I've been on the receiving end of several of these sorts of letters to politicians, and your credibility really shoots up if you can spell and use correct grammar. It's the sign of a educated person. In these days when people complain about the state of our education system, perhaps we shouldn't so easily shrug of spelling and grammatical errors that, with a little more care, could be easily corrected.
As for things that seriously detract from credibility (and I've read these too!):
1. lots of profanity.
2. name calling.
3. anger and venom, especially without any constructive suggestions.
4. writing in crayon.
5. cutting out newsprint letters to form sentences (this gets a little creepy).
6. writing in a spiral from the inside of the page, outward or vice-versa.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Tinman,my man...
you concentrate on spelling...while good men concentrate on your Second Amendment rights....OKAY ??
Spoken like an attorney....<sigh> While I do agree...It is NOT right,again the comman man is supposed to be running this country,not just Ivy league silver sppon folk.Thru our representatives we are supposed to have a voice..If we do not because of spelling error...jeez!
There was much less action on S.1805 today on the Senate floor. We're
expecting the real fireworks to begin next week, with the final vote
coming on Tuesday.
But we can't let the pressure off now: please call your senators again and again, and urge them to vote AGAINST additional gun control amendments
and against S.1805 if the gun control cannot be stripped from the bill.
The Boxer amendment we mentioned in an earlier alert, which mandated
that gun locking devices be delivered with each handgun (whether you
needed it or not) was superseded by an amendment by Senator Kohl. It is
a distinction without a difference. Kohl's amendment contains the same
requirements but removes the
oversight of the Consumer Product Safety Commission, a minor change.
Make no mistake about it, this bill is now the vehicle for the
anti-gunners.
Only a blind faith that the NRA will "remove the bad provisions in
Conference Committee" will save this bill. And we've seen how well that
strategy has worked in the past: That is the same thing they said on the
McCain-Fiengold Campaign Finance Deform bill (which stripped gun owners
of their 1st Amendment rights) as well as the first Assault Weapons and
High-capacity magazines ban bill, Brady Registration Checks, Lautenberg
Gun Ban, etc, etc.
Saying "Trust us, we know what we are doing" is what has gotten America
so much gun control. That's a failed strategy, and should be abandoned.
The Kohl amendment also contains legal "protections" for people who have
locked up their self defense firearms. Of course, this implicitly
means that people who DON'T lock up their guns will be open to civil
liability.
Though the NRA is still vigorously supporting the bill and publicly
opposing anti-gun amendments, it cannot be overlooked that the NRA is
desperate to pass this legislation (Gun Owners of America's legal minds
say S.1805 would stop only a scant few of the existing lawsuits). This
means that, even if more gun control legislation is tacked onto S.1805,
they can't be trusted to pull the plug.
When pressed about whether the NRA will ask the bill to be killed in the
Senate if and when it has numerous gun control amendments attached, NRA
Federal Lobbyist Chuck Cunningham and his assistants continue to chant
the "Trust us" mantra.
After just a few days of the debate, it seems clear that more gun
control will find its way onto the bill.
Though this White House is firmly committed to reauthorizing the Assault
Weapons ban, it claims to want a clean S.1805.
A British paper (www.guardian.co.uk) reports the following:
"Any amendment that would delay enactment of the bill beyond this year
is unacceptable," the White House said Tuesday.
The Senate's overwhelming approval of the gun lock amendment shows that
senators are not listening to that advice and could be convinced that
the assault weapons ban and other Democratic legislation should be added
to the package, California Sen. Barbara Boxer said. "Senators are not
buying the argument that the bill should be clean."
Democrats are very close to having enough support to reauthorize the
assault weapons ban for 10 more years, she said. The ban expires in
September.
"We believe we can get to 51," said Boxer, referring to the number of
votes needed to add the [Assault Weapons ban] measure to the gunmaker
immunity bill.
Given the likelihood that this legislation will be laden with even more
gun control provisions, gun owners would be wise to view the claims of
the NRA snake oil salesmen (who have sold us a bill of goods many times)
with extreme skepticism.
Please keep up the pressure on your Senators.
Call your US Senators immediately and urge them to vote AGAINST
additional gun control amendments and against S.1805 if the gun control
cannot be stripped from the bill.
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"