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California bill Update.
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CALIFORNIA ANTI-GUN LEGISLATION TO BE HEARD SOON!
Please Continue to Contact Legislators!
Assembly Bill 352 was not heard today. Instead, AB 352 is now expected to be heard on the Assembly floor this Thursday, May 12. AB 352 expands the definition of "unsafe handguns" to include semi-automatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with an array of microscopic characters, which identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched into the interior surface or internal working parts, which are then transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired. Please continue to contact members of the Assembly before Thursday, May 12, asking them to oppose AB 352. Assembly Members can be reached at (916) 319-20 then your district number. You can find further contact information on your elected officials by using the "Write Your Representatives" tool at www.nraila.org.
Senate Bill 357 would establish a program requiring serialization of handgun ammunition to be enforced by the Department of Justice. The manufacture, transfer, and possession of non-serialized handgun ammunition after July 1, 2007 would be considered a crime. SB 357 would also require ammunition vendors and manufacturers to register with the Department of Justice. This anti-gun legislation is waiting to be heard in the Senate Appropriations Committee. Please continue to contact members of the committee at (916) 651-4101 and urge them to oppose SB 357.
Please encourage your friends, family, and fellow sportsmen to contact their Legislators, as well!
" Those who give up a little freedom for temporary security, deserve neither freedom nor security "
- Benjamin Franklin
CALIFORNIA ANTI-GUN LEGISLATION TO BE HEARD SOON!
Please Continue to Contact Legislators!
Assembly Bill 352 was not heard today. Instead, AB 352 is now expected to be heard on the Assembly floor this Thursday, May 12. AB 352 expands the definition of "unsafe handguns" to include semi-automatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with an array of microscopic characters, which identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched into the interior surface or internal working parts, which are then transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired. Please continue to contact members of the Assembly before Thursday, May 12, asking them to oppose AB 352. Assembly Members can be reached at (916) 319-20 then your district number. You can find further contact information on your elected officials by using the "Write Your Representatives" tool at www.nraila.org.
Senate Bill 357 would establish a program requiring serialization of handgun ammunition to be enforced by the Department of Justice. The manufacture, transfer, and possession of non-serialized handgun ammunition after July 1, 2007 would be considered a crime. SB 357 would also require ammunition vendors and manufacturers to register with the Department of Justice. This anti-gun legislation is waiting to be heard in the Senate Appropriations Committee. Please continue to contact members of the committee at (916) 651-4101 and urge them to oppose SB 357.
Please encourage your friends, family, and fellow sportsmen to contact their Legislators, as well!
" Those who give up a little freedom for temporary security, deserve neither freedom nor security "
- Benjamin Franklin
Comments
What a crock! I guess our only option now is to try to get Arnold to veto it. I'm writing him today to ask him to veto it. This stupid, obviously anti-gun law (the anti-gunners are trying to pass it off as a pro-law enforcement measure but its obviously anti-gun) is only going to do 3 things:
1 - Raise the price of ammo from the manufacturers who comply
2 - Reduce the number of manufacturers who sell ammo in
California because some of them won't want to bother, making
ammo harder to get by law abiding citizens
3 - Since it takes effect 2 years from now, all of us who have a lot
of ammo on hand are going to have to either sell it and ship it
out of state before July 1, 2007 or are going to have to do a
lot of shooting over the next couple of years
I don't even see what good serial numbers on bullets will do. These serial numbers are going to have to be microscopic to fit on a bullet base and most bullets get so mashed and damaged when they hit their target that forensics investigators will have a hard time finding the damn serial numbers anyway. Also, bad guys will illegally import un-serialized ammo for their needs, so the real criminals won't even be affected. Its just another attempt by the anti-gunners to make gun ownership and more difficult. If they can't do away with guns, they figure they'll just make it as tough as possible to own and enjoy shooting them, one way or another. Makes me sick!
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Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,
It's my understanding that the legislature recently approved SB-357, a new law that would require the serialization of handgun ammunition starting July 2, 2007. This law is nothing more than a rather cynical attempt by those who do not believe that citizens should have the individual right to keep and bear arms, to make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to own and legally use their firearms for sport, recreation and self defense. It will have very little effect on criminal behavior, because as we all know, criminals do not do things in a legal manner. Criminals will simply start illegally importing non-serialized ammunition for black market sale to other criminals.
Only the law abiding citizen will be affected by this measure due to inevitably higher prices of serialized ammunition, as manufacturers pass their increased costs onto the consumer. Also, ammunition will become more difficult to acquire due to the probability that many manufacturers will simply discontinue distributing their products in our state because of the increased manufacturing costs and the associated difficult manufacturing processes which will result. Additionally, those citizens who legally own current non-serialized ammunition will be left with a difficult disposal problem should they be unable to use all of the ammunition which they currently possess, before the law takes effect.
I know that as a member of the Republican Party, you support The Second Amendment of our Great Constitution as an individual right to keep and bear arms. I urge you to continue to use the common sense you've aptly displayed since your election and veto this ridiculous legislation.
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I sure hope it helps. I urge any and all concerned Californians or anyone else who believes this type of law to be rediculous and unnecessary, to contact Governor Schwarzenegger and let him know how you feel too. Here's a link:
http://www.govmail.ca.gov/
" Those who give up a little freedom for temporary security, deserve neither freedom nor security "
- Benjamin Franklin
Before you mock those that have been stomped under the oppressive boots of the Left-wing radicals, realize that YOU are next. I grew up in the Central San Joaquin Valley of California, which has more in common with the Mid-West than it ever will with LA or SF. Because the population is fewer than the many more MILLIONS in LA or the Bay Area, there are still MILLIONS of people living in the California Heartland with the same values as you and me, that are being oppressed by those willing to goose-step right along with the insane Communo-Social radicals that are in charge of the state government.
I was lucky. I don't have any kids yet, I was able to find a new job and pick up sticks with my wife. Others in my family are not as fortunate. Is my dad supposed to shut down his business of 25-years and hope to start over in another state at age 65? The pro-gun folks that are trapped in California are very important to our movement. They are our people "on the inside", behind the Iron Curtain. They will form our resistance movement when the time comes to win back their rights (either by political force or other).
Don't mock them. Now is the time that we need each other the most.
-WW
EDIT: My math was incorrect, California makes up 7.5% of the national population.
"...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."
-The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
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Thank you for emailing and sharing your comments on SB 357.
California was built by the ingenuity and hard work of its people, and our great
State continues to thrive because of their involvement and commitment.
I greatly appreciate receiving input from my fellow Californians. Taking the
time to communicate your opinions and offer suggestions is essential to good
citizenship and good government.
Again, thank you for taking the time to write. I value the comments of people
like you who care about the future of California.
Sincerely,
Arnold Schwarzenegger
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Nothing about his position though. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
At least you tried.
Talk about a FORM letter response.
NO surprise there.
The gene pool needs chlorine.
quote: He'll be a traitor to the Republican Party if he goes along with this assinine law.
Excuse ME ?...This is the party that has its head in Washington..on record as supporting the AW Ban ?
Your statement would be correct if it said.." Traitor to America "...the Republican Party sold out LONG ago.
The Brady Bill was passed with the vote of Bob Dole. I could go on...but for the true believers..facts mean little.
quote: Wasn't it the Republicans in Congress that kept the Brady Bill from being renewedThe Brady Bill is in full force today. No thanks to Republicans..they have done nothing to repeal it. The AWB expired...
quote:and isn't it the Republicans in Congress who are pushing the Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act that will protect firearms manufacturers from senseless law suits?This has NOTHING to do with the Constitution..only big business. Were the Republicans worried about RIGHTS...they would be pushing the platform that Firearms are NECESSARY for the exercise of the Second Amendment..therefore out of bounds to the slimy politicians and lawyers...
quote:Also, wasn't it John Ashcroft, a Republican, that publicly stated that it is the position of the US DOJ that The Second Amendment recognises and individual right to keep and bear arms Yes...also Bush...and in the same breath proclaimed that all Federal gun laws would be enforced....The defination of one form of insanity, right there...
quote:and wasn't it Ashcroft who ordered that background check information be deleted within a certain period of time rather than being kept indefinitely? Proving conclusively that these people care not one thin damn about the Constitution.
Keep right on believing that they are 'supporting' the Second Amendment. Proving once again that most of the people can be fooled most of the time....
Stop voicing opposition to gun laws. Allow the Socialists to pass a total gun ban.
Find out if there are any men left in America.
Re-instating the Constitution and Bill of Rights is what I am talking about.
No American citizen will allow empty suits the power to disarm them.
Either the Elites get the message...or they send out the British to collect the arms.
You, my man...fill in the rest. Do what your conscious dictates.
God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
I am not married to my EX any more, but I am married to this city...as long as my son needs his dad.
Well I certainly wouldn't line up to turn in my guns. If they want them, they'll have to come get them and they better have a warrant.
Okay, so they have banned guns outright and that as a law is on paper. You won't turn yours in. So they come to your home with a piece of paper that says turn over your guns or you go to jail. What's the difference? You are either going to give them up peacefully or you're going to resist with force. It's that cut and dry. Pick your side, I have.
Do you want to be like Patrick Henry or Anne Frank?
-WW
"...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."
-The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
So what else am I supposed to do, hold them off at gunpoint until the SWAT team puts a bullet through my brain? I'd have to turn them over and keep working to get the law back to a sane place.
If all gun owners decided to shoot it out, then the pro-gun movement would be over and the road much easier for the gun grabbers. We progunners need to survive and continue the fight anyway we can.
And BTW, how will they know if you give the ALL your guns?
Now...another angle. One million gun owners decide to shoot it out. They get 2 or three Gestapo each. A very real figure, providing the common sense to not wait till the front door is being battered down...
That means 3 million dead Gestapo. More then they have. As they increase their brutality..so does the resistance increase in numbers.. They CANNOT subdue Americans.They only can win against gutless cowards...all too many here in America,I admit....
Once again..I don't give a rip about the spineless cowards that wish for gun control. I only care that ENOUGH Americans realize that THE ELITE CANNOT WIN with their Gun Control schemes..provided ENOUGH Americans are willing to stand in the breach.
Those wishing for GunControl...are not American....or they are brain-washed into acceptance as being a 'good thing'....
So you have you guns..buried. What exactly good is a buried gun ?
Now...another angle. One million gun owners decide to shoot it out. They get 2 or three Gestapo each. A very real figure, providing the common sense to not wait till the front door is being battered down...
That means 3 million dead Gestapo. More then they have. As they increase their brutality..so does the resistance increase in numbers.. They CANNOT subdue Americans.They only can win against gutless cowards...all too many here in America,I admit....
Once again..I don't give a rip about the spineless cowards that wish for gun control. I only care that ENOUGH Americans realize that THE ELITE CANNOT WIN with their Gun Control schemes..provided ENOUGH Americans are willing to stand in the breach.
Those wishing for GunControl...are not American....or they are brain-washed into acceptance as being a 'good thing'....
Ah, Highball. Please do not ask for details (especially on the internet) but no one said anything about "buried" or not fighting.
I'm with you Highball. I have "drawn my line in the sand" and I won't go back. If they come I'm almost positive they will beat me, but it's going to cost them. Enough of us pay that price and maybe, just maybe, it will start something for the good of this great country. I don't want anyone on here thinking I want this to happen, God knows I don't. I just refuse to put my head in the sand and hope for the best when I know I can prepare for the worst.
Questioning authority..making them understand that they serve at OUR behest..brings freedom.
I normally bounce ideas off you because you normally do not take offense !! [:D]