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Choosing your battles
WoundedWolf
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Given the recent events in New Orleans, put yourself in this scenario...
A natural or man-made disaster has occured in your region of the country and a "State of Emergency" has been declared. After assessing the situation, you decide that your best bet is to stay put in your home (due to blocked transportation routes, civil unrest, disease, chemical/biological dispersion, etc.). You know that there will be no services for several weeks, but you have plenty of water, food, and supplies to last you and your family for a long time. Law enforcement is strained to the limit responding to the disaster, so it is up to you to defend yourself, your family, and your property.
After a few weeks of looting, rape, sniping, and general disorder, the military arrives in your town to restore order. You and your family have been doing just fine because you were prepared and were able to defend yourselves. However, the authorities demand that all citizens in your area be disarmed of their firearms for the general safety of the community and begin house-to-house confiscations of firearms in your neighborhood. A troop carrier with 12 soldiers pulls up to your home, all armed with M-16s. Two armed 82nd Airborne escort a local LEO to your front door. You hear the knock on your door...
WHAT DO YOU DO?
A. Arm the wife and kids and take as many soldiers with you as you can(knowing you will all likely be killed).
B. Tell your wife and kids goodbye and hope they can get to safety while you hold off the soldiers by yourself (knowing you will likely be killed).
C. Hide your "good" guns and give them a couple of cheapies, hoping they will be satisfied and not search the premises.
D. Resign to defeat and give them all your guns, with the comfort that you and your family may live to fight another day.
E. None of the above... you tell me.
MOΛΩN ΛABE
"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced Patriots to prevent its ruin."
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
A natural or man-made disaster has occured in your region of the country and a "State of Emergency" has been declared. After assessing the situation, you decide that your best bet is to stay put in your home (due to blocked transportation routes, civil unrest, disease, chemical/biological dispersion, etc.). You know that there will be no services for several weeks, but you have plenty of water, food, and supplies to last you and your family for a long time. Law enforcement is strained to the limit responding to the disaster, so it is up to you to defend yourself, your family, and your property.
After a few weeks of looting, rape, sniping, and general disorder, the military arrives in your town to restore order. You and your family have been doing just fine because you were prepared and were able to defend yourselves. However, the authorities demand that all citizens in your area be disarmed of their firearms for the general safety of the community and begin house-to-house confiscations of firearms in your neighborhood. A troop carrier with 12 soldiers pulls up to your home, all armed with M-16s. Two armed 82nd Airborne escort a local LEO to your front door. You hear the knock on your door...
WHAT DO YOU DO?
A. Arm the wife and kids and take as many soldiers with you as you can(knowing you will all likely be killed).
B. Tell your wife and kids goodbye and hope they can get to safety while you hold off the soldiers by yourself (knowing you will likely be killed).
C. Hide your "good" guns and give them a couple of cheapies, hoping they will be satisfied and not search the premises.
D. Resign to defeat and give them all your guns, with the comfort that you and your family may live to fight another day.
E. None of the above... you tell me.
MOΛΩN ΛABE
"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced Patriots to prevent its ruin."-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
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While purchasing a rifle recently, my wife asked me if, with
the growing collection, I was afraid that I was going to be
put 'on some list'.
My reply was that, in the event they came after me or mine,
I want to be 'on some list' so as to give them pause.
I envisioned being holed up with the wife passing
loaded magazines, and taking up the fight when they
got within pistol range.
Reality, no doubt, would be to play option 'C' until it
becomes evident that Option 'D' is inevitable.
Marriage has forced me to refer to currency in the past tense.
Brad Steele
And I also have to apologize to our female forum members. It was my oversight in not stating "wife or husband" in this scenario. My apologies to you ladies (if gunphreak and highball haven't scared you all away). [:D]
-WW
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
Defender
Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
Keep abreast of events...and set up nice little 'surprises' long before they get to your house....
And yes...I have driven away women on this forum. Shelly, for example.
Just exactly how much fluff can we stand, today ? Defense of tyranny ? Just turn on the radio/tv/read a newspaper....get ALL the government-loving crap a body can hold. Until tyranny shuts us down...here you read reality.
Want to stay in the warm,fuzzy Disneyland For Dummies...? Take a short trek over to "General Discussion"...where nearly anything of importance is banned for the convinence of the intellectually challenged....
The above person named complained that we "Talked too much about issues like freedom".....[:0] over here on gun rights...[:(]
Molon Labe
Great scenario WW.
"Molon Labe"; ancient Greek for "Come and get them".
To the brave men in that narrow pass so long ago, freedom was more important than anything; even their lives. May we ever remember that fact should we be issued the same degrading terms.
"If I find you here Tonight, THEY will find you here in the Morning"
How did I get brought into this?!?!
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
Now to discuss this as a real event with someone who won't give in:
1 LEO and 2 82nd's come to the door expecting a sheeple and they are wearing NIJ 2 or 3. Won't stop AP ammo of the 30 cal variety so they are dead before the door even opens. Whole truck of 10 82nd's freak and panic trying to get out of a truck bed while taking semi/full auto 30 cal AP fire by someone that's actually aiming (not like on TV where you spray and pray) at no more than 50 yds. Maybe 2 or 3 live through that. They are opening up on your house in an effort to hit something they can't even see and are deaf from the firefight. You're out the back and around the building to a vantage point you've previously planned for and are able to dispatch the last of them which I don't believe to be that tough. If you do survive it you will have to leave quicly because you know....more will come. Good luck and God bless.
This is the kind of tactics the Brits faced once a pon a time. This is a guerrilla war. The next step would be to meet up with others of like mind and finish it.
The government needs to fear the people . This is the kind of thing that makes them fear the people.
If the people in Waco had returned fire with the 50's they were suppose to have had , there would have been hundreds of BATF agents down and no one to carry off the dead.
Only on TV can cops shoot smiley faces on the paper targets . They qualified at 7 yds. with two hands that's 21 ft. We shoot beer cans at a 100 yds. off hand . Most cops carry a firearm because its part of the uniform and dam few know anything about the second amendment and what it means. I have had this discussion with many of them and you would be amazed at what they don't know. Hell we had one take 14 rounds to dispatch a woodchuck that was mere feet away.
There are about 80 million people who own guns in this country . They live in homes with an average number of 3.5 bodies per home. that's a lot of people with guns in the home.
We only have half of the people eligible to vote that do . Hell if only the people who have guns would vote it would make a big difference . Were are all of the democRATS that own gun? They still vote the big D.
A well armed society is the best form of homeland security.
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Make yourselves sheep, and the wolves will eat you.
You my friend are a madman and a man that I now greatly respect. If I had just three neighbors who thought the way we do, I wouldn't be too awful concerned about losing my guns. I'm not concerned now, only difference is with a little help I may live to tell of it.
Did you say 21 feet? Holy crap, I hit 2 litre twist off bottle caps at 100 yards with my ar-15 m4 and no scope. I line up about 20 staple them to a 2X4 and pace it off. I emptied a 30 round clip and nailed the first 9.[:0] At 100 yards with no scope and a target the size of a quarter, I'd say I can shoot a little. Sorry about the self serving comment but after that last post, I feel inspired again. WW just watch out so I don't get carried away again. [:D]
"The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should have never laid down to begin with."
"If I find you here Tonight..... THEY will find you here in the Morning"
44 mag , 22's 45's
"You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy, let us use that power. Let us all unite....Look up, Hannah! The clouds are lifting! The sun is breaking through! We are coming out of the darkness into the light!..."
"The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should have never laid down to begin with."
"If I find you here Tonight..... THEY will find you here in the Morning"
J[:)]
Yer doing fine bud... but what's with the quotes? You may have to change your handle to "Hallmark".
[;)]
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
"The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should have never laid down to begin with."
"If I find you here Tonight..... THEY will find you here in the Morning"
I'm convinced they were casing the house so it could be bugged. Paranoid, maybe, but careful too. I'll now have proof if they enter when I'm not home. S&W .500 Magnum, Ewwww that's gonna leave a mark.
I'm finding some quotes that best keep up the momentum that I lost yesterday. I'm fricken committed now. [leave it alone, no insane asylum jokes]
OK, no more quotes.
"The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should have never laid down to begin with."
"If I find you here Tonight..... THEY will find you here in the Morning"
I don't mind the quotes, Comengetit, they provide a nice interlude between all the banter. [:D]
-WW
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
Good thing they didn't knock at jaflowers door, there'd be four dead firemen.[xx(]
Now, now WW .... I wouldn't be shooting at firemen or even the local LEO asking about fire issues if they came up to the door. I am still a good person and try to be couteous to my fellow man. I do, however, answer the door reasonably prepared nowadays though just like Comengetit does. It's only prudent. Look at the home inspections in N.O. right now and how the average citizen is approached, looks like you're about to be invaded. It's terrible!
sure you line them all up . It won't cost so much.
[8D]
WW, jaflowers, shootsright, flat8, HighVolumeOfFire, and gunphreak- I got to thinking (dangerous-something usually ends up broken), highball is right. This process really needs to get a kick in the *. At this pace the only men left to fight the good fight are now about 5y.o., I just don't see the futures adult population having the drive due to the fact that they will never have experienced true freedom anyway. So why should they buck the system, they won't know any better. Hence the slow methodical reduction in our civil rights. How can we speed up the inevitable or can we?
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WW, jaflowers, shootsright, flat8, HighVolumeOfFire, and gunphreak- I got to thinking (dangerous-something usually ends up broken), highball is right. This process really needs to get a kick in the *. At this pace the only men left to fight the good fight are now about 5y.o., I just don't see the futures adult population having the drive due to the fact that they will never have experienced true freedom anyway. So why should they buck the system, they won't know any better. Hence the slow methodical reduction in our civil rights. How can we speed up the inevitable or can we?
I'm not sure the citizens starting it would get the necessary support because of how they would be portrayed. If the government starts it then the handful of us that are outraged enough to fight for our rights will have some general population support. It sucks but that's my take on it. Highball has it partially figured out, let the establishment kill the second amendment, as well as our country, as quick as they can. Then, hopefully, the people with a backbone will stand up and say "NO MORE"!!!
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I agree.
If we go around on the offensive, then we will just be seen as terrorists, we will be dealt with as such, and we will gain no popular support. If Highball is correct, and "the quickening" is the only path to liberation, then all we can do is hunker down and prepare for that day. Anything we do to facilitate it would reveal ourselves to the enemy, with the exception of subversivly aiding their movement by supporting left-wing anti-gun groups in their causes. But I for one would not be able to stomach that, and I'm not a good liar either, and I would not want to associate with all those Libs.
But our enemies are not stupid. If they sense a reaction to their efforts then they may slow things down, maybe even concede a few battles in order to assure their total victory in the end. Their most successful tactics are incrementalism and establishmentarianism (look at how successfully they have sold gay rights to the general population in a period of 30 years). If they prolong the fight then it will only work in their favor. More generations will pass, the "3%" that Highball speaks of will gradually be diluted, and the day will come when there will be no opposition to gun confiscation because it will be seen as a totally normal and logical progression for society.
-WW
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
This is the baseball equivalent to the other team getting 9 outs per inning and we get one. I gotta' believe I'd be depositing a few fastballs right in their ear-holes. What would that accomplish you ask? Funny you should ask, by sticking it in their ear-hole they will be injured and have to leave the game. Since they have a finite number of players, eventually they would have fewer players than the game will allow you to play with and they would be forced to forfeit.
Now if we can figure out a way to win a baseball game against those odds, surely we can do the same here.
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1. The REALLY cheap firearms everyone loves to complain about- Brycos, Highpoints, RGs- Why sure officer, here ya go, Won't be needing this with you guys here.
2. Not all defensive devices look like firearms.
3. A peg type key rack or hatrack that hangs on the wall is capable of covering an opening in the wall- said opening being large enuff to house handguns with ease. You can't find it, you can't have it.
4. Red berets and 82nd patches are real cheap at most guns shows. Protective coloration is not just for birds.
5. It takes about 15 minutes to repaint a container of pepper spray so that it does not look like pepper spray- just in case you are ever forced into a shelter where folks are being searched.
6. The best defense against a nuclear weapon is to be somewhere else when it goes off. And the best defense against drowning is to not go to sleep in the bathtub. Living below sea level in a city protected by levees that are maintained by a government renowned for corruption indicates multiple errors in judgement.[:D]
Any attempt to commit violent acts of ANY SORT will doom the entire movement towards freedom..self-defeating, as it were....
Other countries have tactics of early violence that succeed..(sometimes)..but the unique background and abilities of Americans make it absolutely necessary that the idea of "Taking it back" MUST spring forth from "Their" minds...or they will side with the Beast.
"They"..those smart enought and tough enough...MUST be displaced or trod upon enough from the power-mad to get fighting mad. The BEST way to "QUICKEN" the movement...is to join the corruption called "Government" and ENFORCE ALL THE LAWS ON THE BOOK..BY THE BOOK !!..I, however, have no desire to associate with such ...
Thusely..I am left with deleting ALL monies sent to this or that group "Fighting for gun rights"...and preparing myself as best as I can to take up the slack when it becomes necessary. I also will share My beliefs with ANY that are willing to discuss them. [:D]
God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
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As they search,get a call out- I need 40 minutes. Stall for 15, search takes the rest. Try to find out who's next.
B, If allowed
Then F- I'm with jaflowers
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.
I gave it a go at 100 yds with my Glock 17 and beer cans as targets. Put 'em on a board about 3' off the groung. No wind, none. About 102 degrees out.
Right hand 17 shots, I hit 4 cans. Off hand 17 shots, I hit 0 cans. Your point is made. I'll stick with my AR and leave the hand guns to close range.
"90% of the game is mental, the other 50% is physical"- Yogi Berra, New York Yankees
No way I could hit a can at 100 yards with one of my handguns without it being a luck shot. I used to shoot at an indoor range and could consistently shoot 2" groups at 50 feet, no way I could do it at 300+ feet.
-WW
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
It was unsupported and I was shooting at 12 cans seperated by 6". Started left and moved right so that I couldn't take credit for misdirected shots that happened to hit a can. I did hit the edge of the 2X4 twice with unsupported left or off hand. That was extremely difficult, off hand at 100 yds and a beer can to shoot at. My hats off to shootsright and by the way, he'll be on CQB with those kind of "skeelz." I'll go ahead and stay about 1500 out with the "Big Boy" Barrett .50 BMG.
"90% of the game is mental, the other 50% is physical"- Yogi Berra, New York Yankees
First off you had to many cans . All you need is one. If you can get within 6 inch of the can that's a kill. If you can hit the can thats a hart shot.
Buy fileling the front sight to a point you can see the can at the top of the sight. Have someone spot for you . You can see the sand where the shots hit and adjust you point of aim (KY Windage ) . After awhile your mind will take over. To steady your hold , hold your gun out straight until it drops three times every night while watching TV . In one week your 3 ft groups will become 2 ft groups after three weeks , well you tell me .
Let every man woman and child be armed and shootstraight.
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
There are two kinds of people in this World.....Those that lead....And those that get the hell out of the way....GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
How are you doing with the long range shooting.
One thing , buy offhand I didn't mean the hand you don't normally shoot with . Offhand is a term used for unsupported shooting , like with a pistol with one hand no rest Or with a rifle standing without a rest. I don't see many people shot that way any more. It's all two hands or a benchrest . Probably not strong enough to hold them up.
As for the Glock you might want to try a real gun with sum weight to it . They will hold better.
Not a Glock fan , they are for the cop that can't shoot for s*#t and don't know about firearms .
Who in there right mind would put the safety on the trigger of a firearm . But then it dose have a loaded chamber indicator , that way at least they will know when it is loaded.[8D]
(Gun proof the kid , don't kid proof the guns. )