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San Francisco Gun Ban
mixontour
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Anybody hear about this 'Proposition H' to ban all handguns in the city of San Francisco? It also does not grandfather previous ownership, like DC and Chicago. All firearms are to be handed in to Police within 90 days if this legislation goes through.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
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A city that prides itself on inviting the disease-ridden, unmotivated, chemical dependent, and mentally disturbed elements of our society within its border (while stripping rights away from those responsible citizens who actually support the community) should be washed away from the face of this planet.
-WW
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
SF Police Officers Association and the Association of Retired Peace Officers are among the 15 civic organizations on record opposing proposition H.
I hope the people in SF are "at least" as smart as the ones in Brazil. [;)]
Only the honest sheeple will turn in their guns, the criminals will STILL have theirs.
Duh....
The gene pool needs chlorine.
We the American people have been tried and found ....lacking enough manhood to defend our rights.
Given that this law is passed. Would 1000 men stand forth and kill the first King's Man that approached to enforce this law..what do you suppose would occur ? Martial Law..and the beginning of the Third American War for Independence...?
People that will not defend their rights...with force of arms, if necessary...deserve nothing less then the loss of those rights.
We the American people have been tried and found ....lacking enough manhood to defend our rights.
Given that this law is passed. Would 1000 men stand forth and kill the first King's Man that approached to enforce this law..what do you suppose would occur ? Martial Law..and the beginning of the Third American War for Independence...?
When Martial Law is declared, it is too late, your rights are gone, any semblance of rights anyway. Don't let it get to that point. This will be the first of the MAJOR cities to fall. Then one more, then two more, then six on the same day, then it's over-Checkmate! Who here owns property of say 600 acres or more? Seriously, who owns a large piece of property?
Neo-Jedi Council
Naboo Sniper
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Why?
JPFO Life Member
www.jpfo.org
Your rights are gone now.
Martial Law will merely be the official announcement of that fact.
Nobody with that kind of land will stand up and offer it for what I think you desire. Reason ? They will lose it.
Look to Texas, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee and Missouri to be one large area that will resist and most likely band together. There are wide expanses of land and rugged mountainous terrain that could not be easily searched or controlled by the military (speaking as a military person here). We have technology, but back in the woods and open prairies, it is common sense and an understanding of the land that will win out over technology.
SF against a group of backwoods, redneck, bubba hunter (said with deepest admiration)...that would be a fight I would lay money on against the SF boys.
"If you find yourself in a fair fight...then you did not plan well enough"
I have great respect for you Highball and I hope you can be a driving force in what we are trying to do....I don't know yet, but I'll let yah know when I do.
Neo-Jedi Council
Naboo Sniper
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
You won't hear it from me.
As I explained several times to TRFOX; For 13 years or so before the American Revolution, the colonists petitioned,pleaded, and begged the King for redress. That was an absolutely necessary activity to justify the coming split.
What TR is doing, and what you are doing...is absolutely necessary, also.
Neo-Jedi Council
Naboo Sniper
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Comengetit- as to land owned... my family and I own roughly 10-13K acres in Tennessee. Hope to retire there one day on my little pieces.
As to disarming "rednecks" from the red states that decide to keep their guns and fight for their rights, I know alot back home and if you think the Brownshirts are going to have it easy you need to see these people hunt a bit. They know the woods well, very well and have been shooting since they were 3 or 4. They can hit a target!!
There would be no contest. The true SF Libs have voluntarily disarmed themselves already. Their preferred battlegrounds are in the courts, on TV news shows, and screaming like children in front of city halls and universities.
If there ever were a scenario where a semi-organized band of citizens were opposing a SF Lib government, then the Libs would be impotent to respond. They would be forced to rely on the military, which itself is mostly made up of redneck bubba hunter types.
The real threat are the Elitists who feel it is okay for them to have the guns, but not for you. There are both "Liberals" and "Conservatives" among them. The Elitists would be able to maintain control of the military because they can pull out their "Patriot" card if they need to (start carting out people like John McCain to rally the troops against the armed "rebels"). Look what happened with the Minutemen, it was the "Conservative" Elitists that stepped up and called them "vigilantes". Dianne Feinstein is a "Liberal Elitist". She spouts the Liberal politics, but she does not buy into the ideology. She thinks that all the common people should live under Socialism, but she would be part of the Elite and still be able to have her gun, her nice houses and cars, and her special priviledges. Its just two sides of the same coin.
JMHO,
WW
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
"My Ideas" ?
I am old and tired.
I see no way to turn the tide of elite control of the minds of men.
I see no way to restore freedom using the tools of the elite..courts/news media/tv/political action/voting...ect. They OWN all that....
Popular history mentioned three 'boxes'..to maintain freedom.
The Ballot Box...usurped by the rich.
The Jury Box..usurped by criminal judges..(Jury Nullification was a POWERFUL tool for the 'little guy')...
That leaves the cartridge box. This box cannot be be used till every avenue of peaceful redress is exhausted.
My intension is quite simply to sit on the sidelines and monitor the continuing erosion of rights in this country..I cannot stomach the stench of the political process anymore. I intend, one at a time, educating those I can reach..and holding in contempt those cowed by the Beast.
I will no longer crawl on my belly to political types begging them to obey the Constitution.
Comengetit;
"My Ideas" ?
I am old and tired.
I see no way to turn the tide of elite control of the minds of men.
I see no way to restore freedom using the tools of the elite..courts/news media/tv/political action/voting...ect. They OWN all that....
Popular history mentioned three 'boxes'..to maintain freedom.
The Ballot Box...usurped by the rich.
The Jury Box..usurped by criminal judges..(Jury Nullification was a POWERFUL tool for the 'little guy')...
That leaves the cartridge box. This box cannot be be used till every avenue of peaceful redress is exhausted.
My intension is quite simply to sit on the sidelines and monitor the continuing erosion of rights in this country..I cannot stomach the stench of the political process anymore. I intend, one at a time, educating those I can reach..and holding in contempt those cowed by the Beast.
I will no longer crawl on my belly to political types begging them to obey the Constitution.
AMEN!!!!couldn't have said it any better Highball.
Comengetit;
"My Ideas" ?
I am old and tired.
I see no way to turn the tide of elite control of the minds of men.
I see no way to restore freedom using the tools of the elite..courts/news media/tv/political action/voting...ect. They OWN all that....
Popular history mentioned three 'boxes'..to maintain freedom.
The Ballot Box...usurped by the rich.
The Jury Box..usurped by criminal judges..(Jury Nullification was a POWERFUL tool for the 'little guy')...
That leaves the cartridge box. This box cannot be be used till every avenue of peaceful redress is exhausted.
My intension is quite simply to sit on the sidelines and monitor the continuing erosion of rights in this country..I cannot stomach the stench of the political process anymore. I intend, one at a time, educating those I can reach..and holding in contempt those cowed by the Beast.
I will no longer crawl on my belly to political types begging them to obey the Constitution.
Agreed
When the meekest of men raise their fist at you in defiance, you have lost. It is just a matter then of admitting it to yourself.
Comengetit;
"My Ideas" ?
I am old and tired.
I see no way to turn the tide of elite control of the minds of men.
I see no way to restore freedom using the tools of the elite..courts/news media/tv/political action/voting...ect. They OWN all that....
Popular history mentioned three 'boxes'..to maintain freedom.
The Ballot Box...usurped by the rich.
The Jury Box..usurped by criminal judges..(Jury Nullification was a POWERFUL tool for the 'little guy')...
That leaves the cartridge box. This box cannot be be used till every avenue of peaceful redress is exhausted.
My intension is quite simply to sit on the sidelines and monitor the continuing erosion of rights in this country..I cannot stomach the stench of the political process anymore. I intend, one at a time, educating those I can reach..and holding in contempt those cowed by the Beast.
I will no longer crawl on my belly to political types begging them to obey the Constitution.
OK, but if we all do that what the hell are we gonna talk about?[;)]
I was curious about land owners/land for training purposes.
Neo-Jedi Council
Naboo Sniper
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Sorry Medic they already tried this about 140 years ago, it did not end up well for them. I think things would be even more one-sided with today's technology.
"A wise man will often simplify the complicated, while a fool will complicate the simple"
Talking dosn't require lots of energy expending'..[:D] So talking I can do.
Knew exactly what you wanted with 'large land'. The problem with that is..they have passed laws that make it very difficult to use that land as you want to..because this gives them the excuse to confiscate it. Neat deal, ain't it ? Steadily institute tyranny..steadily enact laws making it ever more difficult to resist it.
As I have stated many times.
The best procedure is demand of the corrupt politicians a total gun ban. By allowing them to speed up their own plan..they may not get everything in place that they need to totally subdue the citizen...and a mistake on their part now with the amount of information availible to good people all over this country will be fatal to their plans.
Anybody hear about this 'Proposition H' to ban all handguns in the city of San Francisco? It also does not grandfather previous ownership, like DC and Chicago. All firearms are to be handed in to Police within 90 days if this legislation goes through.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
By law, consitutional law, that is, the MUST grandfatfer in the already possessed guns, Its either that or scrap the proposition.
Is it an add on or did the city actually do it?
I am asking because regular folk may not be aware that they attempt to erode their own rights, whereas the politicians, if they are americans recognize that no ex post facto law is legal.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Neo-Jedi Order
Member
By law, consitutional law, that is, the MUST grandfatfer in the already possessed guns, Its either that or scrap the proposition.
I am asking because regular folk may not be aware that they attempt to erode their own rights, whereas the politicians, if they are americans recognize that no ex post facto law is legal.
This is one of those oh-so-painful giggles that erupt from the grave now and again.....
Surely you remember the 'Domestic Violence' edict passed forth from the bowels of Washington..wherein they defecate..and we lap it up..?
Ex Post Facto indeed. Of What use is the Constitution..when everybody just ignores corrupt judgely decisions...?
Firearm Ban
PROPOSITION H
Shall the City ban the manufacture, distribution, sale and transfer of firearms and ammunition within San Francisco, and ban City residents from possessing handguns within San Francisco?
Digest
by the Ballot Simplification Committee
THE WAY IT IS NOW: State law regulates the manufacture, distribution, transport, import, sale, purchase, possession and concealment of firearms within California. The City and County of San Francisco further regulates the sale of firearms and prohibits the sale or transfer of certain types of firearms within San Francisco.
THE PROPOSAL: Proposition H is an ordinance that would ban the manufacture, distribution, sale and transfer of firearms and ammunition within San Francisco.
Proposition H also would prohibit San Francisco residents from possessing handguns within San Francisco. An exception would allow residents to possess handguns if it is required for specific professional purposes. For example, San Francisco residents who are security guards, peace officers or active members of the U.S. armed forces would be permitted to possess handguns.
The Board of Supervisors would be required to enact penalties for violation of this ordinance.
Proposition H would take effect January 1, 2006. Until April 1, 2006, residents could surrender their handguns to any district station of the San Francisco Police Department or the San Francisco Sheriff's Department without penalty.
The Board of Supervisors could amend this ordinance by a two-thirds vote (66.7%) if it determined that its amendment would further reduce handgun violence.
A "YES" VOTE MEANS: If you vote "yes," you want to ban the manufacture, distribution, sale and transfer of firearms and ammunition within San Francisco, and you want to prohibit-with limited exceptions-San Francisco residents from possessing handguns within San Francisco.
A "NO" VOTE MEANS: If you vote "no," you do not want to ban the manufacture, distribution, sale and transfer of firearms and ammunition within San Francisco, and you do not want to prohibit-with limited exceptions-San Francisco residents from possessing handguns within San Francisco.
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
Neo-Jedi Council
Naboo Sniper
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
quote:amsptcds Posted - 10/28/2005 : 5:35:35 PM
By law, consitutional law, that is, the MUST grandfatfer in the already possessed guns, Its either that or scrap the proposition.
I am asking because regular folk may not be aware that they attempt to erode their own rights, whereas the politicians, if they are americans recognize that no ex post facto law is legal.
This is one of those oh-so-painful giggles that erupt from the grave now and again.....
Surely you remember the 'Domestic Violence' edict passed forth from the bowels of Washington..wherein they defecate..and we lap it up..?
Ex Post Facto indeed. Of What use is the Constitution..when everybody just ignores corrupt judgely decisions...?
Whatcha sayin?
Did they prosecute cases that were committed from before the law passed?
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Neo-Jedi Order
Member
This wasn't the law..until the 'Domestic Violence Act" was passed, a few years ago.
ANY domestic violence or charge that COULD have been a felony..back as far as records exist is grounds for denial of weapons...and a federal charge if you buy 'off the books'.
This wasn't the law..until the 'Domestic Violence Act" was passed, a few years ago.
See.. those are exactly the kinds of law that have to brought before the SC before the x post facto effect can be taken out of it.
It' lowlife's taking our good money and seeing what they can get away with for how long.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Neo-Jedi Order
Member
Neo-Jedi Council
Naboo Sniper
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
http://www.jpfo.org/denver.htm
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Neo-Jedi Order
Member
One thing we have on our side is that once an anti learns the truth, they switch sides. Once a neutral understands the argument, they become inclined to align themselves with the truth. It rarely happens the other way. Why? Because truth can stand on its own. No one likes to be on the wrong side of the argument, save those who think it only applies to everyone else but them.
As for rednecks vs. SF liberal buttwipes, the rednecks would trample them without mercy. Something that will put the good ol' boys at an even stronger position would to convince the good ol' boys that liberals taste like chicken, were directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt, and that they made fun of their momma, and had sex with their wife and sister at the same time, the San Francisco Bay would turn red.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
The only reason the liberal elite have power, now, is because their influence is being heard, and accepted. On the day enough people learn they have been betrayed, do you think that influence will hold up?
One thing we have on our side is that once an anti learns the truth, they switch sides. Once a neutral understands the argument, they become inclined to align themselves with the truth. It rarely happens the other way. Why? Because truth can stand on its own. No one likes to be on the wrong side of the argument, save those who think it only applies to everyone else but them.
As for rednecks vs. SF liberal buttwipes, the rednecks would trample them without mercy. Something that will put the good ol' boys at an even stronger position would to convince the good ol' boys that liberals taste like chicken, were directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt, and that they made fun of their momma, and had sex with their wife and sister at the same time, the San Francisco Bay would turn red.
How can we get this information to all the SF rednecks? I shall deliver it myself. I love a good plan.[8D]
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
What up PhreakyG? Where you been hidin'?
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
"I have good news and bad. Make it through, you don't have to prove anything to anyone the rest of your life. Bad news- you have to prove it to me first." CSM, US Army Ranger School.
ANY domestic violence or charge that COULD have been a felony..back as far as records exist is grounds for denial of weapons...and a federal charge if you buy 'off the books'.
This wasn't the law..until the 'Domestic Violence Act" was passed, a few years ago.
I'm sure they call them legal issues.
I call them Weasel issues myself.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Neo-Jedi Order
Member
Well, thanks to a couple of fatladys at work lying about my conduct, I've been busy taking back my life and screwing theirs up.
Lessons to be learned:
1. Live good, shoot straight and tell the truth.
2. A bad reputation is quickest earned by lying about a person that has lived a good life, once the truth is revealed.
3. If you have skeletons in your closet, you had best not try to drag others skeletons out.
4. PhreakyG remembers everything you tell him. So, if you are ready to backstab him, you better not have pictures of yourself in circulation (if you know what I mean) because I have a scanner, and you damn sure better never tell me your man is impotent. 3 people found this out the hard way.
5. Just because you have nothing in circulation doesn't mean I don't have pictures of you. 2 people found this out, when I sent a set of them to their spouses, time stamped three weeks ago. Big guns are not all I own. Big cameras, too.
6. Never assume your enemy knows less than you do.
Gotta love citizen special ops. I wish I would have done this for a living. PhreakyG is very patient, and knew who and where to go to in order to carry out my series of plans.
Revenge is a dish best served on ice.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
quote:What up PhreakyG? Where you been hidin'?
Well, thanks to a couple of fatladys at work lying about my conduct, I've been busy taking back my life and screwing theirs up.
Lessons to be learned:
1. Live good, shoot straight and tell the truth.
2. A bad reputation is quickest earned by lying about a person that has lived a good life, once the truth is revealed.
3. If you have skeletons in your closet, you had best not try to drag others skeletons out.
4. PhreakyG remembers everything you tell him. So, if you are ready to backstab him, you better not have pictures of yourself in circulation (if you know what I mean) because I have a scanner, and you damn sure better never tell me your man is impotent. 3 people found this out the hard way.5. Just because you have nothing in circulation doesn't mean I don't have pictures of you. 2 people found this out, when I sent a set of them to their spouses, time stamped three weeks ago. Big guns are not all I own. Big cameras, too.
6. Never assume your enemy knows less than you do.
Gotta love citizen special ops. I wish I would have done this for a living. PhreakyG is very patient, and knew who and where to go to in order to carry out my series of plans.
Revenge is a dish best served on ice.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
Sounds like you did a number on them. Good for you, sometimes revenge is best served on ice! So, are we going to get any sordid details or was this it?[}:)][;)]I think you should probably tell us about what you found on them to discredit and shame them. mmwwaaahhhahaha Sorry you had to go through the BS brah. We've had a storm or two blow through here but nothing serious.
Ain't patience a b**ch for those on the receiving end???!!!!
Glad to have yah back![8D]
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Molon Labe
This has been talked about for a few years, so it doesn't surprise me that it finally made the ballot. San Francisco is a cesspool of humanity. They already have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country. This is just the next step of the Liberal extreme handing their fate over to criminals, thugs, hoodlums, and psychopaths. Liberalism IS a mental disorder. It is a total lack of self-preservation. It is the embodiment of self-victimization.
A city that prides itself on inviting the disease-ridden, unmotivated, chemical dependent, and mentally disturbed elements of our society within its border (while stripping rights away from those responsible citizens who actually support the community) should be washed away from the face of this planet.
-WW
MOEUN EABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
I sort of figure that once they gain their Utopia, that they'll wish they hadn't.
The duty to preserve one's self ought never be denied.
Neo-Jedi Order
Member
That's all the details I am offering. And believe me, you don't want to see the pictures. Especially of the ones that are trailer trash.
As for me, I am looking for new work, and I may still end up getting my job back, where I was. My future is still uncertain at this moment.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
The gene pool needs chlorine.
If you tell a child from birth that their fooey smells like roses then after a while they believe that they are laying in a bed of roses, when instead they are just in a pile of fooey.
That's their Utopia. That's San Francisco.
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
quote:I sort of figure that once they gain their Utopia, that they'll wish they hadn't.
If you tell a child from birth that their fooey smells like roses then after a while they believe that they are laying in a bed of roses, when instead they are just in a pile of fooey.
That's their Utopia. That's San Francisco.
MOEUN EABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
That works provided they never come across a real rose. [:p][;)][:D]
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
parabellem