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I understand where you are coming from. A lot of what you said makes sense. I don't think it reasonable though to label a whole group of people based on your own personal experiences some 25 or 30 years ago. There are bad apples in any profession. There is no escaping that fact no matter where you live.
Harboring that much hate and contempt for that long isn't healthy. I wouldn't be surprised if you had stomach ulsers. Chill out man!
Have you ever heard the serinity prayer?
"God grant me the serinity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference."
MOLON LABE!
An evil tree bears evil fruit. You can destroy as much fruit as you want, but it will always grow back, and it will always be evil.
Tear the tree out of the ground by the roots and burn it. Burn it to ash and grind out the embers with your boot until there's nothing left. Not a single spark. Not a single seed.
I disagree.
I think D.K. is fustrated and angry...yes, I do.
What emotion is a man SUPPOSED to feel...watching the country he loves washing down the toilet...?
So he lashes out in all directions..AS I DID. Not with fists or bullets...But with words...WORDS.
In return..he is accused of being KKK...Hating America..Hating EVERYTHING decent and good.
I am going to take his 'history'..given on other posts..at face value. I intend giving him the benefit of the doubt, also...except for the attacks on ALL police officers..I find little to disagree with in his to-date posts...
I would myself have to dig deep into my psyche to go to the aid of a certain neighbor who said he would shoot a life-long friend if given the order to collect guns..and the friend refused....
I would drive right on by the burning wreck.....Sorry, people...My view point would be...just one more I won't have to fight some day...
You do not see insanity in D.K.s posts..you see a decent man, powerless to stop the train wreck he sees coming.
If you wish to see insanity..go over to General and try and have a conversation on anything of importance.You will very soon be threatened with death or beatings.....as I have been repeatedly.
You do not see insanity in D.K.s posts..you see a decent man, powerless to stop the train wreck he sees coming.
THAT is what I see. D.K., stay put and continue to post. There are some good minds here . . .
Trinity, you said, "NY State is going to be passing more gun control laws soon, and if the people of the state let the law makers in Albany get away with it, then I will be forced into enforcing them. "
Why? Why won't you stand up for what is right? THIS is the crux of what D.K. was saying . . . you are allowing yourself to be a tool of the elites. Stand up! Be a man! Stop enforcing unconsitutional laws! If every peace officer did this, and every jury was truly fully informed, then all these insane laws would be relegated to the trash bin where they belong.
Wow, this solicited a lot of responses. I would like to review a few things, here:
I have this one big flaw. I don't like cops, lawyers, or
anyone opposed in any manner to american freedoms. I believe we
are more socialistic/fascist than democratic.
quote:1. I am non violent
Being a gun owner is not the way to get this to fly in a kangaroo court. I don't care if it is a right, or not, this is conducive of "intent" as they define it.
quote:2. I don't break any laws, even the ones I detest.
...that you know of. There are 14 million pages worth of laws in this country at this point, and the number grows, on average, of 250 pages a day. Do you really believe you are "law abiding"? That status coul disappear in an instant. Don't fool yourself to believe otherwise.
quote:3. I pay my taxes like I'm supposed to do.
You know this, for sure? This will not stop the IRS from auditing you, anyway? Especially if you are a malcontent. And just like the police, they can find an error... it's just a matter of how far they are willing to dig on you.
quote:4. I am a productive citizen, contributing to the wealth
of the nation, as opposed to program leech.
You think you're special? In a socialism, neither of these things exist? Productive citizen = drone to the feds. They actually favor you groveling at their feet, so this does not help you the way you think it will.
quote:5. I don't smoke. I don't drink. I've never done drugs.
So in the long run I will not be any burden to society
medically.
Good for you, but that still doesn't mean things can't happen to you later that will make you a burden on society medically, like, say, losing an arm, or becoming blind, later in life.
quote:I have this one big flaw. I don't like cops, lawyers, or
anyone opposed in any manner to american freedoms. I believe we
are more socialistic/fascist than democratic.
[/quote]
True...true... This shows you are in opposition to what they want... al the more reason for them to set you up, or summon you before the kangaroo court, or any other number of things. We are all just one new law away from being branded terrorists... never forget that!!!
Look, the cops in this country are going to have to make a choice ne day...
1. Obey their so-called masters and turn on the citizens they have sworn to protect.
2. Turn on their masters to fulfill their oath.
On one hand they will be traitors, and on the other hand they will be traitors.... great choice, huh.... Like Yossarian... but there's a catch....
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the ugliest one of all?"
Because DK live in OHIO, I can understand where his anger comes from. Ohio is almost A communist state. The state goverment claims to be o the side of freedom, but look at their laws, look at what happens when you try to defend yourself in ohio. I can understand where DK'S anger comes from. Many folks from OHIO come to KY seeking to leave the socialist state, sadly they wind up missing it, and demand that we change our laws to suit them.
The laws are not unconstitutional as you claim. They do not keep anyone from owning a fireamr. They are restrictive to the average person, and make it hared for them to operate within the States system, but the Supreme Court has up held the States right to do that. What then would make it unconstitutional, and why should the Cop's be the ones to stand up against it. The public let it happen, why should the Cop's be the ones to say it can not be so? You seem to think we have more power then we do. The average Leo's is just a public servant trying to put food on the table for his family. The ones who feel like I do would only be out of a job if they tried to make a difference, when the majority public we swore to protect couldn't care less.
Trinity +++
"Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it."<BR>(Proverbs 22:6)
There is the problem, the majority. America is not A mojority rules kind of country. We are A constituonal republic. The constituion is above all laws, courts, and judges.
TrinityScrimshaw, I realize you intended this for flat8, but I would like to chip in as you have made some interesting comments in your last post:
quote:The laws are not unconstitutional as you claim. They do not keep anyone from owning a fireamr.
There are several state and local laws that ban firearms across the country. Washington D.C. and San Francisco have outright banned all handguns from being legally possessed by their citizens. California heavily restricts which models of handguns can be purchased in that state. And I believe your state (New York, right?) has an "assault weapons ban", as do several others, that outright bans sale or possesion of many models of semi-auto firearms.
quote:They are restrictive to the average person, and make it hared for them to operate within the States system, but the Supreme Court has up held the States right to do that.
I don't believe that these laws have ever been officially challenged in the United States Supreme Court. The closest was the Miller case, but the court took the easy out by disputing a technicality about the firearm. Besides, the Defendants didn't even show up to argue their case!
quote:What then would make it unconstitutional, and why should the Cop's be the ones to stand up against it. The public let it happen, why should the Cop's be the ones to say it can not be so? You seem to think we have more power then we do. The average Leo's is just a public servant trying to put food on the table for his family. The ones who feel like I do would only be out of a job if they tried to make a difference, when the majority public we swore to protect couldn't care less.
I totally agree with you on this point. If you feel that your city/county/state has passed an unconstitutional law (that either violates the state of federal constitution) you have two choices: 1) enforce the law and hope that a judge overturns it ASAP, or 2) quit your job. It is not up to LEOs to interpret what is constitutional or unconstitutional, that is what courts are for. However, if you find yourself enforcing laws that you believe ARE unconstitutional then I don't know how you could sleep at night. I guess that is why I have little desire to become a LEO.
There is however the LETTER OF THE LAW and the INTENT OF THE LAW. I'm sure as a LEO you are very familiar with this. If you encounter a Boy Scout walking home from a troop meeting with his marksmanship badge and a .22 rifle that he forgot to unload (thus violating some city ordinance), he may be violating the LETTER OF THE LAW but I doubt that he was the target of the INTENT OF THE LAW. I would hope that you would use the power and discretion delegated to you by the citizens of your jurisdiction to kindly inform the Boy Scout of his error and give him a ride home.
Merry Christmas[;)]
-Wolf
MOLON LABE
The Second Amendment begins when the First Amendment ends.
DK isn't the only one in Ohio. I live here, too, and I am not happy with the state as a whole. Our governor and our state senators are all three kommies, and we have countless others throughout the state bearing (R) in their name where it should be a (D), and now that we've figured this out, and want it fixed, those same people are making a mockery of the party, almost assuring that we will get (D)'s in next time, but hey, at least there won't be any surprises or feelings of betrayal that way, right???
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the ugliest one of all?"
quote:Originally posted by KYfatboy
Because DK live in OHIO, I can understand where his anger comes from. Ohio is almost A communist state. The state goverment claims to be o the side of freedom, but look at their laws, look at what happens when you try to defend yourself in ohio. I can understand where DK'S anger comes from. Many folks from OHIO come to KY seeking to leave the socialist state, sadly they wind up missing it, and demand that we change our laws to suit them.
For the feedom loveing people of ohio, I really really feel for you. It's strange the ccw laws they have, If I had A ccw, in KY, ohio is supposed to honor it. However if I don't have it the proper ohio way in the car, I go to jail, with A nice felony. I really feel for you folks.[:(]
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I understand where you are coming from. A lot of what you said makes sense. I don't think it reasonable though to label a whole group of people based on your own personal experiences some 25 or 30 years ago. There are bad apples in any profession. There is no escaping that fact no matter where you live.
Harboring that much hate and contempt for that long isn't healthy. I wouldn't be surprised if you had stomach ulsers. Chill out man!
Have you ever heard the serinity prayer?
"God grant me the serinity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference."
MOLON LABE!
An evil tree bears evil fruit. You can destroy as much fruit as you want, but it will always grow back, and it will always be evil.
Tear the tree out of the ground by the roots and burn it. Burn it to ash and grind out the embers with your boot until there's nothing left. Not a single spark. Not a single seed.
I think D.K. is fustrated and angry...yes, I do.
What emotion is a man SUPPOSED to feel...watching the country he loves washing down the toilet...?
So he lashes out in all directions..AS I DID. Not with fists or bullets...But with words...WORDS.
In return..he is accused of being KKK...Hating America..Hating EVERYTHING decent and good.
I am going to take his 'history'..given on other posts..at face value. I intend giving him the benefit of the doubt, also...except for the attacks on ALL police officers..I find little to disagree with in his to-date posts...
I would myself have to dig deep into my psyche to go to the aid of a certain neighbor who said he would shoot a life-long friend if given the order to collect guns..and the friend refused....
I would drive right on by the burning wreck.....Sorry, people...My view point would be...just one more I won't have to fight some day...
You do not see insanity in D.K.s posts..you see a decent man, powerless to stop the train wreck he sees coming.
If you wish to see insanity..go over to General and try and have a conversation on anything of importance.You will very soon be threatened with death or beatings.....as I have been repeatedly.
"The most persistent sound which reverberates through man's history is the beating of war drums."
Arthur Koestler, UK
MOLON LABE
The Second Amendment begins when the First Amendment ends.
"The most persistent sound which reverberates through man's history is the beating of war drums."
Arthur Koestler, UK
You do not see insanity in D.K.s posts..you see a decent man, powerless to stop the train wreck he sees coming.
THAT is what I see. D.K., stay put and continue to post. There are some good minds here . . .
Trinity, you said, "NY State is going to be passing more gun control laws soon, and if the people of the state let the law makers in Albany get away with it, then I will be forced into enforcing them. "
Why? Why won't you stand up for what is right? THIS is the crux of what D.K. was saying . . . you are allowing yourself to be a tool of the elites. Stand up! Be a man! Stop enforcing unconsitutional laws! If every peace officer did this, and every jury was truly fully informed, then all these insane laws would be relegated to the trash bin where they belong.
JPFO Life Member
www.jpfo.org
I have this one big flaw. I don't like cops, lawyers, or
anyone opposed in any manner to american freedoms. I believe we
are more socialistic/fascist than democratic.
quote:1. I am non violent
Being a gun owner is not the way to get this to fly in a kangaroo court. I don't care if it is a right, or not, this is conducive of "intent" as they define it.
quote:2. I don't break any laws, even the ones I detest.
...that you know of. There are 14 million pages worth of laws in this country at this point, and the number grows, on average, of 250 pages a day. Do you really believe you are "law abiding"? That status coul disappear in an instant. Don't fool yourself to believe otherwise.
quote:3. I pay my taxes like I'm supposed to do.
You know this, for sure? This will not stop the IRS from auditing you, anyway? Especially if you are a malcontent. And just like the police, they can find an error... it's just a matter of how far they are willing to dig on you.
quote:4. I am a productive citizen, contributing to the wealth
of the nation, as opposed to program leech.
You think you're special? In a socialism, neither of these things exist? Productive citizen = drone to the feds. They actually favor you groveling at their feet, so this does not help you the way you think it will.
quote:5. I don't smoke. I don't drink. I've never done drugs.
So in the long run I will not be any burden to society
medically.
Good for you, but that still doesn't mean things can't happen to you later that will make you a burden on society medically, like, say, losing an arm, or becoming blind, later in life.
quote:I have this one big flaw. I don't like cops, lawyers, or
anyone opposed in any manner to american freedoms. I believe we
are more socialistic/fascist than democratic.
[/quote]
True...true... This shows you are in opposition to what they want... al the more reason for them to set you up, or summon you before the kangaroo court, or any other number of things. We are all just one new law away from being branded terrorists... never forget that!!!
Look, the cops in this country are going to have to make a choice ne day...
1. Obey their so-called masters and turn on the citizens they have sworn to protect.
2. Turn on their masters to fulfill their oath.
On one hand they will be traitors, and on the other hand they will be traitors.... great choice, huh.... Like Yossarian... but there's a catch....
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the ugliest one of all?"
-Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco.
You got a tin foil hat and live under a bridge too? [:D]
In hoc signo vinces
The laws are not unconstitutional as you claim. They do not keep anyone from owning a fireamr. They are restrictive to the average person, and make it hared for them to operate within the States system, but the Supreme Court has up held the States right to do that. What then would make it unconstitutional, and why should the Cop's be the ones to stand up against it. The public let it happen, why should the Cop's be the ones to say it can not be so? You seem to think we have more power then we do. The average Leo's is just a public servant trying to put food on the table for his family. The ones who feel like I do would only be out of a job if they tried to make a difference, when the majority public we swore to protect couldn't care less.
Trinity +++
"Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it."<BR>(Proverbs 22:6)
In hoc signo vinces
quote:The laws are not unconstitutional as you claim. They do not keep anyone from owning a fireamr.
There are several state and local laws that ban firearms across the country. Washington D.C. and San Francisco have outright banned all handguns from being legally possessed by their citizens. California heavily restricts which models of handguns can be purchased in that state. And I believe your state (New York, right?) has an "assault weapons ban", as do several others, that outright bans sale or possesion of many models of semi-auto firearms.
quote:They are restrictive to the average person, and make it hared for them to operate within the States system, but the Supreme Court has up held the States right to do that.
I don't believe that these laws have ever been officially challenged in the United States Supreme Court. The closest was the Miller case, but the court took the easy out by disputing a technicality about the firearm. Besides, the Defendants didn't even show up to argue their case!
quote:What then would make it unconstitutional, and why should the Cop's be the ones to stand up against it. The public let it happen, why should the Cop's be the ones to say it can not be so? You seem to think we have more power then we do. The average Leo's is just a public servant trying to put food on the table for his family. The ones who feel like I do would only be out of a job if they tried to make a difference, when the majority public we swore to protect couldn't care less.
I totally agree with you on this point. If you feel that your city/county/state has passed an unconstitutional law (that either violates the state of federal constitution) you have two choices: 1) enforce the law and hope that a judge overturns it ASAP, or 2) quit your job. It is not up to LEOs to interpret what is constitutional or unconstitutional, that is what courts are for. However, if you find yourself enforcing laws that you believe ARE unconstitutional then I don't know how you could sleep at night. I guess that is why I have little desire to become a LEO.
There is however the LETTER OF THE LAW and the INTENT OF THE LAW. I'm sure as a LEO you are very familiar with this. If you encounter a Boy Scout walking home from a troop meeting with his marksmanship badge and a .22 rifle that he forgot to unload (thus violating some city ordinance), he may be violating the LETTER OF THE LAW but I doubt that he was the target of the INTENT OF THE LAW. I would hope that you would use the power and discretion delegated to you by the citizens of your jurisdiction to kindly inform the Boy Scout of his error and give him a ride home.
Merry Christmas[;)]
-Wolf
MOLON LABE
The Second Amendment begins when the First Amendment ends.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the ugliest one of all?"
-Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco.
Because DK live in OHIO, I can understand where his anger comes from. Ohio is almost A communist state. The state goverment claims to be o the side of freedom, but look at their laws, look at what happens when you try to defend yourself in ohio. I can understand where DK'S anger comes from. Many folks from OHIO come to KY seeking to leave the socialist state, sadly they wind up missing it, and demand that we change our laws to suit them.
In hoc signo vinces
Don't let them do it Ky! [:)]
In hoc signo vinces