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You NRA Bashers Can Gloat Now
tr fox
Member Posts: 13,856
Yep, you NRA bashers will get a real gloat out of this one. And you have worked hard for it so you deserve that gloat.
For months I have been posting about how the NRA is one of only a few organizations that will be able to possibly save our gun rights. And I took a lot of anger and some insults for doing it. Some people got mad because they felt like I was trying to wear them down about their constant complaining about the NRA. But in truth, it was the NRA complaininers wearing me down. In fact I give up.
One sign of me giving up is that my family was recently asked by Randy Clark, Northeastern Marketing Rep. for the NRA, to help out as volunteers at the Jan. K.C. Sportshow, at H. Roe Bartle Hall, to help recruit new NRA members. We would have gotten a free t-shirt and reimbursed for parking for giving up our Sunday to volunteer. But just as we have done in times past, we were actually on the verge of volunteering. Until I got to thinking about some of the hateful complaints I have read here on GB.com about the NRA. So I declined.
Surely no one would claim that the NRA doesn't do some net good for our gun rights. Sure, we all agree the NRA has made mistakes in the past and will in the future, and we don't always agree on what the NRA does. But I think few will say that the NRA doesn't do ANYTHING. I know on a personal basis the NRA created the CCW right in MO after several hard battles. Same story in KS although the Govenor vetoed it. And if anyone who had doubts about the NRA would bother to read the monthly magazine, such as the American Rifleman, you would find some of the many,many things the NRA is doing for the shooting sports. And you would see of the great people running the NRA; some paid and some volunteer. Surely you can't believe all those great people are secretly working to give away your gun rights, or just doing barely enough to keep gun owners happy or that those great people are themselves fooled by NRA leadership into beieving in the NRA when in your opinion the NRA doesn't deserve their faith and support. Do you really believe those people are so naive or stupid compared to you and that you know the dirty truth about the NRA and they don't?
And if the NRA falls, we pro-gunners will have lost what has frightened the anti-gun crowd into thinking it was an all powerful giant. This will please the NRA bashers and the anti-gun crowd . But my family and I are not going to spend any more extra time, money and effort helping the NRA survive. I'll still maintain my personal membership and send them a little money but that is it.
I had wanted to volunteer at the K.C. Sportshow to try and recruit new members. But when I think of possibley being in the middle of a bunch of gun owners who cherish their always under attack gun rights, but hate the NRA and people like me who expend extra effort to support the NRA, I just decided it was not worth the effort for me and my family any longer.
The vast majority of gun owners don't do one damn thing to protect their gun rights. I have become extremely disappointed to learn that many gun owners go beyond apathy about supporting the NRA. Their feelings even go so far as hatred for the NRA. And even anger towards vocal NRA supporters llike me. And this from not just NRA non-members, but even NRA members. I've had enough. The NRA and the NRA haters can just fight it out without bothering me about it.
One last interesting point for you. TV reporter Mike Wallace was an honored guest at a Brady Center fundraiser at the elite anti-gun French Embassy. While there he reportedly mocked former NRA president Charlton Heston and also wrote a check for a donation to the anti-gun Brady Center. Notice Wallace didn't mock the president of the GOA. In fact I doubt he even knows who that person is. He mocked the NRA. That should tell you that we need to suport all pro-gun organizations
and not let any one of them fail.
So you NRA bashers took me out. You only need take out a few million more and you will have what you apparently desire: no NRA. That should make you AND Ted Kennedy, Charles Schumer, Dianie Feinsten, Sarah Bady, the national liberal media, etc. very, very happy.
Don't bother yourself flaming me because I won't be reading it.
For months I have been posting about how the NRA is one of only a few organizations that will be able to possibly save our gun rights. And I took a lot of anger and some insults for doing it. Some people got mad because they felt like I was trying to wear them down about their constant complaining about the NRA. But in truth, it was the NRA complaininers wearing me down. In fact I give up.
One sign of me giving up is that my family was recently asked by Randy Clark, Northeastern Marketing Rep. for the NRA, to help out as volunteers at the Jan. K.C. Sportshow, at H. Roe Bartle Hall, to help recruit new NRA members. We would have gotten a free t-shirt and reimbursed for parking for giving up our Sunday to volunteer. But just as we have done in times past, we were actually on the verge of volunteering. Until I got to thinking about some of the hateful complaints I have read here on GB.com about the NRA. So I declined.
Surely no one would claim that the NRA doesn't do some net good for our gun rights. Sure, we all agree the NRA has made mistakes in the past and will in the future, and we don't always agree on what the NRA does. But I think few will say that the NRA doesn't do ANYTHING. I know on a personal basis the NRA created the CCW right in MO after several hard battles. Same story in KS although the Govenor vetoed it. And if anyone who had doubts about the NRA would bother to read the monthly magazine, such as the American Rifleman, you would find some of the many,many things the NRA is doing for the shooting sports. And you would see of the great people running the NRA; some paid and some volunteer. Surely you can't believe all those great people are secretly working to give away your gun rights, or just doing barely enough to keep gun owners happy or that those great people are themselves fooled by NRA leadership into beieving in the NRA when in your opinion the NRA doesn't deserve their faith and support. Do you really believe those people are so naive or stupid compared to you and that you know the dirty truth about the NRA and they don't?
And if the NRA falls, we pro-gunners will have lost what has frightened the anti-gun crowd into thinking it was an all powerful giant. This will please the NRA bashers and the anti-gun crowd . But my family and I are not going to spend any more extra time, money and effort helping the NRA survive. I'll still maintain my personal membership and send them a little money but that is it.
I had wanted to volunteer at the K.C. Sportshow to try and recruit new members. But when I think of possibley being in the middle of a bunch of gun owners who cherish their always under attack gun rights, but hate the NRA and people like me who expend extra effort to support the NRA, I just decided it was not worth the effort for me and my family any longer.
The vast majority of gun owners don't do one damn thing to protect their gun rights. I have become extremely disappointed to learn that many gun owners go beyond apathy about supporting the NRA. Their feelings even go so far as hatred for the NRA. And even anger towards vocal NRA supporters llike me. And this from not just NRA non-members, but even NRA members. I've had enough. The NRA and the NRA haters can just fight it out without bothering me about it.
One last interesting point for you. TV reporter Mike Wallace was an honored guest at a Brady Center fundraiser at the elite anti-gun French Embassy. While there he reportedly mocked former NRA president Charlton Heston and also wrote a check for a donation to the anti-gun Brady Center. Notice Wallace didn't mock the president of the GOA. In fact I doubt he even knows who that person is. He mocked the NRA. That should tell you that we need to suport all pro-gun organizations
and not let any one of them fail.
So you NRA bashers took me out. You only need take out a few million more and you will have what you apparently desire: no NRA. That should make you AND Ted Kennedy, Charles Schumer, Dianie Feinsten, Sarah Bady, the national liberal media, etc. very, very happy.
Don't bother yourself flaming me because I won't be reading it.
Comments
I hear a lot here about how the NRA is evil, they are just 2nd Amendment compromisers and are undermining our gun rights, and that they are really just pawns of the gun confiscators. Apparently GOA's members all spit diamonds and poop gold because everything about them sounds so wonderful. I am a member of both, so does that mean I cancel myself out? But other than that, I don't do much more for the "cause", except that I own guns, talk to other people that like guns (out of my own pure selfish enjoyment of the topic), shoot my guns whenever I get a chance, and I poke around on these forums. I suppose that makes me an enemy of the 2nd Amendment since I don't have a loaded .50 pointed at my door in anticipation of an ATF raid.
I still haven't figured out what the ideal 2nd Amendment supporter is supposed to do exactly. Sell GOA t-shirts at the local gun show? Send a form letter to every one of their reps on a weekly basis? Or just hole up someplace and wait for Janet Reno to bust through the door?
I would like to see anybody who criticizes another member on this forum for their ACTIONS to then specifically define what other ACTIONS they feel would be more effective. Instead a see a whole lot of criticism followed by a whole lot of INACTION.
-Wolf
MOLON LABE
The Second Amendment begins when the First Amendment ends.
I used to read American Rifleman, and saw advertisements for the AR-15s and neutered AK-47s. It really felt like a was being slapped in the face because they are part of the reason I can't easily get the "real thing."
If you like the NRA, and think they are doing a good job, then stay with them. When I was a member I tried to contact them asking about how they supported the NFA of 1934 and the FOPA of 1986 with the anti machine gun riders attached to it. Their response was that they didn't support the anti-gun parts, but making a fuss about it would give the anti-gun crowd more ammunition. That's their response: It's not our fault, but we won't do anything to fix it.
TR, you seem to be a great supporter and friend. I know you are getting frustrated, and I don't want you to leave. Keep in mind that the main reason that I seem so bitter when it comes to the NRA is because they used to be a group I felt good about and had a lot of confidence in. It hurts a lot when you find out that something you support so much doesn't always support you back.
You are quite the drama queen.
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
You and YOUR kind are the people working full time to barter away gun rights. Get used to that idea...since none of your kind of people will ever tell the truth.
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Piss down my back and tell me its raining..as the nra does on a regular basis.
You have said many times along with WW that we need not fight amongst ourselves, that is only counter-productive and I too believe this to be true. You can't let a few guys who let their emotions run free change something in you that has been a part of you and your families life, that's just down-right wrong. If it's not too late call the NRA and volunteer I know that I, for one, want you there. You represent what is good about the organization, even if you do tend to get a bit defensive[;)]. So hang in there and don't try so hard to change the way some of us are thinking but rather try and understand it. That is the best way to determine whether what we say is valid or not and if not then tell us why if it is then help to change the problem.
I sure as hell don't want to be any part of the reason you quit your support of the NRA or your leaving this forum. You are a valued member here and have much to offer I think it would be a real loss to all of us for you to go.
WW, I keep a .50 cal pointed at my door when I andswer it because that is a tactic used by thugs. Knock on the door then force their way in. NOT AT MY HOUSE! If it happens to be the ATF then good riddens. My computer is acting up. I'll finish later.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
As stated..the TRfoxes are the members we WANT in the NRA..doing the heavy lifting and just maybe altering some closed minds at the top...
Trfox supports some gun control..just not as much as those running the show over at NRA headquarters...
As far as blaming me for withdrawing from NRA activities..that can come about ONLY because something I said caused a connection to be made about WHY we are in this terrible shape gun-law wise..not because of the sense of 'being hated' by gun owners.
My view-point about the NRA is shared by very few...naturally, my belief being that 50 years from now....my view=point will be vindicated.
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MOLON LABE
The Second Amendment begins when the First Amendment ends.
The sad misguided followers of the elite propaganda are where my interests lie..some can be rescued from the clutches of the dark side even yet.
I have some hope they will succeed due to this momentum, but first, I want to hear an admission that the FOPA'86 is a gun ban; is not a boon for gun owners; and needs fixed, and some attempt to fix it is under way. until that time, I have to believe the bartering will continue.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the ugliest one of all?"
-Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco.
Sad that people take what the NRA says at face value. [xx(]
I have been paying attention to the NRA. This is the one big sore spot I have with the NRA. And the fact that it was signed by Reagan makes me further angrier at the "party of the guns". It also makes me wish Hinckley would have never tried to assassinate Reagan, because this crap would have not taken place, IMO, and Sarah Brady would have nothing to rally against us over.
But we all know the real problem is that Sarah Brady can't get no loving, now, and this is her real motivation for her rabid antigun-ness.
And, until I see a turnaround here, my issues with the NRA will continue.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the ugliest one of all?"
-Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco.
Yeah I do, but I do not believe we have seen a full 180, yet. They have went on the offense, and this is good, and I believe it all bec=gan with a few simple acts.
1. By recognizing a little name calling is good when it is the truth ie. calling liars "liars".
2. By Rallying gun owners to the polls to get rid of certain politicians, first in the house, then in the senate, then in the White House, and finally a filibuster proof majority in the senate.
3. By removing the AWB (though not as well as I had hoped)
4. By passing LCIA act.
But they have a long way to go in order to pull off the full 180. I'm waiting....
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who's the ugliest one of all?"
-Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco.
I feel that the people that have taken the "holy" NRA down from their pedestal, pulled their heads out of the sand , that are seeing BOTH sides of the story, who are now questioning their actions (and motives) will have the largest influence on the path the NRA will choose in the future. Knowledge is power, let's use it to our advantage.
Sure glad Fox isn't going to read this.
At least, that is what he "said." [:D]
The gene pool needs chlorine.
Sorry, Highball, didn't mean to put emotions on your sleeve. I think I'll let you decide what is and isn't funny. That would be my bad. Won't happen again.
I trust everyone had a nice Christmas? Ours was nice and quiet, had a Turducken for dinner. It was quite tasty, it's turkey, duck, and sausage in a turkey breast, yummy! Bought the wife that Sirius satellite tuner so she can have her Howard Stern in the morning. I bought 6,500 shares of Sirius at $2.85 per share and at last check it was hovering around $7.00 and had been as high as $8.25. Way to go Howard! If this is anything like XM Satellite in popularity and contracts, we'll make a small fortune. Bought XM at $11.07 and sold it at just over $31.00, unfortunately I had only bought 300 shares. I don't know why I felt compelled to share that but there you have it.[:D]
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?