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Whose fault is it?
codenamepaul
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When discussing a law in OH that said you have to "show your papers" to any LEO or face arrest (whether you had done something wrong or not) I got into a discussion which I said that "our greatest generation" was very much at fault for the gun laws we enjoy today. My reasoning is that the ball really gained momentum in '68- on their watch-in my opinion. So who is to blame- WWI vets because of the '34 GCA or the WWII because of the '68 GCA or subsequent generations because of everything since?
When the meekest of men raise their fist at you in defiance, you have lost. It is just a matter then of admitting it to yourself.
When the meekest of men raise their fist at you in defiance, you have lost. It is just a matter then of admitting it to yourself.
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When the meekest of men raise their fist at you in defiance, you have lost. It is just a matter then of admitting it to yourself.
In hoc signo vinces
The only ones that we can blame for our current condition is this generation. We see it yet we do nothing. We have the power of 285,000,000 people in this country and yet we let stand those things that we find most destructive. How can we blame any generations past for us allowing whatever they may have inacted to continue. Nope, to blame anyone but ourselves is really quite frankly the easy way out and denial. We are responsible for our ultimate quality of life and in controlling our laws and politicians we accomplish this, therefore by not actively rebelling and overturning such atrocities, we are no better in fact worse than any generation that may have inacted these things because we can see the damage being done they could not.
Bubba fats, what is the actual sign in which your sig line refers and how can we use it to conquer?
The only ones that we can blame for our current condition is this generation. We see it yet we do nothing. We have the power of 285,000,000 people in this country and yet we let stand those things that we find most destructive. How can we blame any generations past for us allowing whatever they may have inacted to continue. Nope, to blame anyone but ourselves is really quite frankly the easy way out and denial. We are responsible for our ultimate quality of life and in controlling our laws and politicians we accomplish this, therefore by not actively rebelling and overturning such atrocities, we are no better in fact worse than any generation that may have inacted these things because we can see the damage being done they could not.
Hey comengetit, it refers to when constitine(forgive the spelling) had A vision of the cross in the sky before A battle, he converted to Christianity, and won the battle uniteing the roman empire.quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
Bubba fats, what is the actual sign in which your sig line refers and how can we use it to conquer?
The only ones that we can blame for our current condition is this generation. We see it yet we do nothing. We have the power of 285,000,000 people in this country and yet we let stand those things that we find most destructive. How can we blame any generations past for us allowing whatever they may have inacted to continue. Nope, to blame anyone but ourselves is really quite frankly the easy way out and denial. We are responsible for our ultimate quality of life and in controlling our laws and politicians we accomplish this, therefore by not actively rebelling and overturning such atrocities, we are no better in fact worse than any generation that may have inacted these things because we can see the damage being done they could not.
So then the sign is that of the cross and of this sign, victory? For if I'm not mistaken the actual meaning is 'In this sign, you shall conquer'. Is that about right? Thanks for the response, I'm always interested in historical significance.
quote:Originally posted by KYfatboy
Hey comengetit, it refers to when constitine(forgive the spelling) had A vision of the cross in the sky before A battle, he converted to Christianity, and won the battle uniteing the roman empire.quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
Bubba fats, what is the actual sign in which your sig line refers and how can we use it to conquer?
The only ones that we can blame for our current condition is this generation. We see it yet we do nothing. We have the power of 285,000,000 people in this country and yet we let stand those things that we find most destructive. How can we blame any generations past for us allowing whatever they may have inacted to continue. Nope, to blame anyone but ourselves is really quite frankly the easy way out and denial. We are responsible for our ultimate quality of life and in controlling our laws and politicians we accomplish this, therefore by not actively rebelling and overturning such atrocities, we are no better in fact worse than any generation that may have inacted these things because we can see the damage being done they could not.
So then the sign is that of the cross and of this sign, victory? For if I'm not mistaken the actual meaning is 'In this sign, you shall conquer'. Is that about right? Thanks for the response, I'm always interested in historical significance.
Then I believe it was the early root of the Socialist movement in America in the teens and twentys (via labor unions and the Communist Party) that implanted the government entitlement mentality into most working class Americans. This was evident by Herbert Hoover's 1928 campaign promise, "A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage."
Then once again, as mentioned, during the despair of the Great Depression it was easy for the masses to support FDR's social reforms when so many were literally starving in the streets. In our current society, where 6% unemployment would be seen as devastating, it is hard for us to imagine the 25% unemployment of the Depression. I suppose any promise of hope would have been welcomed.
Fueled by the apparent success of FDR's programs to pull us out of the Depression, the nationalism formed during World War II and the Cold War, the Socialist vision of JFK, and the realization of that vision by Johnson, I think we can understand how we got here.
JMHO,
Wolf
To my knowledge and opinion, the root of all this started with post Civil War reconstruction. It was then that the case was made for having a strong central government to avoid any future disintegration of the Republic. This essentially went 180 degrees from the system that the Founding Fathers had envisioned and implemented for the first 80 years our nation. But given the cost in lives, money, and innocence, I can't blame the people for going along with this strong federalist philosophy after witnessing such a bloody insurrection.
Then I believe it was the early root of the Socialist movement in America in the teens and twentys (via labor unions and the Communist Party) that implanted the government entitlement mentality into most working class Americans. This was evident by Herbert Hoover's 1928 campaign promise, "A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage."
Then once again, as mentioned, during the despair of the Great Depression it was easy for the masses to support FDR's social reforms when so many were literally starving in the streets. In our current society, where 6% unemployment would be seen as devastating, it is hard for us to imagine the 25% unemployment of the Depression. I suppose any promise of hope would have been welcomed.
Fueled by the apparent success of FDR's programs to pull us out of the Depression, the nationalism formed during World War II and the Cold War, the Socialist vision of JFK, and the realization of that vision by Johnson, I think we can understand how we got here.
JMHO,
Wolf