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Well, I must say this was an interesting post to say the least! though I have never commented on highballs posts, I often read them, and to be honest I am a little nervous (i feel I am in the presence of some of the most wise and intelligent gun owners today) but flattery aside, highball, everything that I have ever read of yours I have agreed with 99%. You and I share exactly the same view as I am sure a lot of others here on GB do as seen by the posts. I am currently deployed to the Middle East as some of you may already know by some of my other posts. while I have been "pro-gun" in the whole time that i have been legally able to own firearms, I have become an even more avid pro-gunner, and have actually been labeled by my circle of friends as the legal weenie when it comes to weapons in my home state of Florida. (this is due to a self defense case that I almost lost when i was 18 due to an anti-gun dist. attorney) since then I have changed my major and am now studying criminal justice and homeland security... anyhow now that I am sure that you are tired of reading about myself.
I own 11 rifles and 3 shotguns all of which I have purchased over the last 2 years (I lost my other were confiscated when I was arrested) that would have put the count up to 13 rifles. I think I have a problem..Anyhow, I have purchased all of these rifles filling out all of the necessary paperwork BS. How is this in any way constitutional? I don't see any justification... 3 day waiting rule? so what you are saying is that I have to wait 3 days after purchasing a handgun (which then becomes my property) but the FFL has to hold it for 3 days as a "cool off period" is this not robbery? what if I did not give permission to the FFL dealer to "hold the pistol for three days" why can I not call the police and file a report stating that my firearm is in the possession of someone that I did not consent to. (I know it is a given that the FFL holder keeps the handgun for a 3 day period w/o any say from the buyer but i am just stating an observation) Could I not buy a Barrett 50 and knock off whom ever i wanted from a mile away? The three day does not make any since in my opinion. in another post that i wrote, (and for the sake of keeping this short W,W here is the link http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=243095
What are these people thinking? Clearly the media and propaganda that the government has been silently filtering through the population is taking its toll on honest gun owners. i just cant stand this any longer! I'm sorry I'm getting to emotional... like you highball and many others here; I just can't stand un-educated people that think that they know about guns or anything of the sort and then try to make laws that have to deal direct blows to our constitutional rights as U.S. Citizens. I think I know this better than most and those of you who have also served in the armed forces can vouch for me... when I enlisted in the Army, I "Swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the Unites States from all enemies foreign and domestic. It makes me sick to see that our government can stand to sleep at night and knowingly widdle away what this country was founded on...I used to believe that the U.S. was the greatest country on earth etc.... but I have come to realize that it is nothing more than political self righteous dumb A**** that deliberate over whose political agenda is better, or worried about how their political opinion will be affect by something that they do... hell in my opinion controversy creates talk and a lot of times some form of change comes out of that controversy... I do not remember who said this, but i truly believe that we need some form of 2nd amendment Pearl Harbor in order for any of our rights that we have lost to be regained. I just wish that there was something more that could be done, but as said i am afraid that we must conform to the law of the land, however we must be educated enough to know the difference between the law and what is right.
A few words from an American means far more to me then ALL the slings and arrows from the compromisers and Quislings that infest America today.
As far as 'emotion'...I prefer the word 'passion'..passion denoting a condition far beyond a trifling thing like emotion...passion for FREEDOM driving those heros' of 200 odd years ago...
The ONLY reason for governments to restrict firearms is to advance tyranny. No other legitimate rational idea stands the light of day.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Filling out forms, CCW's, ect. are all things that a sane person does, when faced with tyranny.
God ----! how in the world do you explain this to people? living in CA for the last 11+ years all i can say is people truly believe that's the only way to do it right. people believe we have no rights to start with, we are GRANTED rights, by those we elect. how the ---- do you propagate to them that the rights aren't granted by other men but God?
(even those that are born and raised, i pretty much have given up on those that weren't)
quote:Originally posted by Highball
The ONLY reason for governments to restrict firearms is to advance tyranny. No other legitimate rational idea stands the light of day.
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could you elaborate a bit on this?
(while, am trust me, i come from a country where i saw it firsthand, it's true, i kind of doubting it's true here. time periods are just not making sense, though i am definitely open up for a discussion)
quote:Originally posted by Highball
As far as 'emotion'...I prefer the word 'passion'..passion denoting a condition far beyond a trifling thing like emotion...passion for FREEDOM driving those heros' of 200 odd years ago...
must disagree here -- passion is an emotion. an emotion of feeling strongly about a subject, as far as i remember. but that's just semantics, technicalities, even it's an emotion, in this context it's a much better emotion that those who have a passion of suppressing the opposite. but again, just in this context.
The denial of God by a large segment of the populace is not just a 'happenstance'...it is deliberate policy by those in power.
Why ? Rather simple, really...the absence of God leaves MAN as the supreme being.
Therefore...God cannot give YOU " Rights "..these rights superceeding mans laws...can He ?
What is left is 'privilage'...ONLY. And what man can grant...man can take away.
I do not believe that meaningful conversation can be carried on about Rights with an agnostic/atheiest..because there is no basis for anything other then the argument whether Man or God is supreme.
CCW's are a perfect example of Gun-Owners/Second Amendment supporters losing...in most cases FIGHTING to lose..the high ground in the gun debate.
We have ceeded to the enemy the belief that there is NO God-Given Right to cary and protect our loved ones...only mans permission. A GIANT step back into the darkness of tyranny.
Govenments proper place in the life of a Free Citizen is to do the things neccessary to ensure maximum freedom for the citizens...Control the borders, incarcerate/execute violent criminals..that sort of thing.
Interfering with the free flow of arms, instead of concentrating upon the misuse of those arms, contravenes the Constitution..and is a direct spit in the face of the Founders...and every Citizen that yearns to be free...
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Those of you promoting gun control really need to go do a bit of research.
Stalin, Rwanda, Germany....JPFO used to have a list on their web site adding up to 250-300 MILLION souls...murdered by their respective governments in the last century.
After being disarmed, of course..makes it SOO much easier for government thugs to drag people off in the middle of the night.
You worry about what the guy across the street MAY do with this or that weapon.
I worry about the REAL threat...out-of-control governments. Left alone, without government interference, I can stop the guy across the street, if he goes berserk.
I CANNOT stop a government from going bad...and believe me, the government IS going bad.
Until and unless you can understand THAT basic fact...ALL GOVERNMENTS GO BAD...you cannot connect the dots about why the Founders included the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights.
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I own 11 rifles and 3 shotguns all of which I have purchased over the last 2 years (I lost my other were confiscated when I was arrested) that would have put the count up to 13 rifles. I think I have a problem..Anyhow, I have purchased all of these rifles filling out all of the necessary paperwork BS. How is this in any way constitutional? I don't see any justification... 3 day waiting rule? so what you are saying is that I have to wait 3 days after purchasing a handgun (which then becomes my property) but the FFL has to hold it for 3 days as a "cool off period" is this not robbery? what if I did not give permission to the FFL dealer to "hold the pistol for three days" why can I not call the police and file a report stating that my firearm is in the possession of someone that I did not consent to. (I know it is a given that the FFL holder keeps the handgun for a 3 day period w/o any say from the buyer but i am just stating an observation) Could I not buy a Barrett 50 and knock off whom ever i wanted from a mile away? The three day does not make any since in my opinion. in another post that i wrote, (and for the sake of keeping this short W,W here is the link http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=243095
What are these people thinking? Clearly the media and propaganda that the government has been silently filtering through the population is taking its toll on honest gun owners. i just cant stand this any longer! I'm sorry I'm getting to emotional... like you highball and many others here; I just can't stand un-educated people that think that they know about guns or anything of the sort and then try to make laws that have to deal direct blows to our constitutional rights as U.S. Citizens. I think I know this better than most and those of you who have also served in the armed forces can vouch for me... when I enlisted in the Army, I "Swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the Unites States from all enemies foreign and domestic. It makes me sick to see that our government can stand to sleep at night and knowingly widdle away what this country was founded on...I used to believe that the U.S. was the greatest country on earth etc.... but I have come to realize that it is nothing more than political self righteous dumb A**** that deliberate over whose political agenda is better, or worried about how their political opinion will be affect by something that they do... hell in my opinion controversy creates talk and a lot of times some form of change comes out of that controversy... I do not remember who said this, but i truly believe that we need some form of 2nd amendment Pearl Harbor in order for any of our rights that we have lost to be regained. I just wish that there was something more that could be done, but as said i am afraid that we must conform to the law of the land, however we must be educated enough to know the difference between the law and what is right.
Thank you.
A few words from an American means far more to me then ALL the slings and arrows from the compromisers and Quislings that infest America today.
As far as 'emotion'...I prefer the word 'passion'..passion denoting a condition far beyond a trifling thing like emotion...passion for FREEDOM driving those heros' of 200 odd years ago...
The ONLY reason for governments to restrict firearms is to advance tyranny. No other legitimate rational idea stands the light of day.
Filling out forms, CCW's, ect. are all things that a sane person does, when faced with tyranny.
God ----! how in the world do you explain this to people? living in CA for the last 11+ years all i can say is people truly believe that's the only way to do it right. people believe we have no rights to start with, we are GRANTED rights, by those we elect. how the ---- do you propagate to them that the rights aren't granted by other men but God?
(even those that are born and raised, i pretty much have given up on those that weren't)
quote:Originally posted by Highball
The ONLY reason for governments to restrict firearms is to advance tyranny. No other legitimate rational idea stands the light of day.
Go to Top of Page
could you elaborate a bit on this?
(while, am trust me, i come from a country where i saw it firsthand, it's true, i kind of doubting it's true here. time periods are just not making sense, though i am definitely open up for a discussion)
quote:Originally posted by Highball
As far as 'emotion'...I prefer the word 'passion'..passion denoting a condition far beyond a trifling thing like emotion...passion for FREEDOM driving those heros' of 200 odd years ago...
must disagree here -- passion is an emotion. an emotion of feeling strongly about a subject, as far as i remember. but that's just semantics, technicalities, even it's an emotion, in this context it's a much better emotion that those who have a passion of suppressing the opposite. but again, just in this context.
Why ? Rather simple, really...the absence of God leaves MAN as the supreme being.
Therefore...God cannot give YOU " Rights "..these rights superceeding mans laws...can He ?
What is left is 'privilage'...ONLY. And what man can grant...man can take away.
I do not believe that meaningful conversation can be carried on about Rights with an agnostic/atheiest..because there is no basis for anything other then the argument whether Man or God is supreme.
CCW's are a perfect example of Gun-Owners/Second Amendment supporters losing...in most cases FIGHTING to lose..the high ground in the gun debate.
We have ceeded to the enemy the belief that there is NO God-Given Right to cary and protect our loved ones...only mans permission. A GIANT step back into the darkness of tyranny.
Govenments proper place in the life of a Free Citizen is to do the things neccessary to ensure maximum freedom for the citizens...Control the borders, incarcerate/execute violent criminals..that sort of thing.
Interfering with the free flow of arms, instead of concentrating upon the misuse of those arms, contravenes the Constitution..and is a direct spit in the face of the Founders...and every Citizen that yearns to be free...
Those of you promoting gun control really need to go do a bit of research.
Stalin, Rwanda, Germany....JPFO used to have a list on their web site adding up to 250-300 MILLION souls...murdered by their respective governments in the last century.
After being disarmed, of course..makes it SOO much easier for government thugs to drag people off in the middle of the night.
You worry about what the guy across the street MAY do with this or that weapon.
I worry about the REAL threat...out-of-control governments. Left alone, without government interference, I can stop the guy across the street, if he goes berserk.
I CANNOT stop a government from going bad...and believe me, the government IS going bad.
Until and unless you can understand THAT basic fact...ALL GOVERNMENTS GO BAD...you cannot connect the dots about why the Founders included the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights.
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