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FYI Another piece of garbage legislation.... you can go to Gun Owners of America web site and send a prewritten email.
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I'm Working On Mine Now!!!!! Along with a rebuttal to the pathetic response I got, from a Democrat, to the last one!!!
-- VA Tech shootings now spurring the most far-reaching gun control
in a decade
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org/ordergoamem.htm
ACTION: Now that Congress is moving to restrict YOUR rights in
response to the VA Tech shootings, please make sure to take the
following three actions after you read this alert:
1. Urge your Representative to OPPOSE HR 297, the Dingell-McCarthy
legislation that is designed to take the Brady Law to new heights,
turning it into a law on steroids which could one day keep even YOU
from buying a gun. (Contact information and a draft letter to your
Representative are provided below.)
2. Gin up the e-mail alert systems in your state and forward this
e-mail to as many gun owners as you can.
3. Please stand with Gun Owners of America -- at
http://www.gunowners.org/ordergoamem.htm -- and help us to continue
this fight, as right now, we are combating this latest onslaught
ALONE in our nation's capital. GOA spokesmen spent all of last week
doing radio and TV debates, interviews for newswires, and opinion
editorials for newspapers. This week, we begin the battle in
Congress to defeat legislation that could block millions of
additional, honest gun owners from buying firearms.
Monday, April 23, 2007
The biggest gun battle of the year is about to erupt on Capitol Hill.
Fueled by the recent Virginia Tech shootings, an odd coalition is
forming to help expand the number of honest people who now won't be
able to buy a gun.
The legislation has been introduced by none other than the Queen of
Gun Control herself, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY). But she has
picked up a key ally, as the bill (HR 297) is being pushed by a
powerful gun group in Washington, DC.
On Friday, The Washington Post reported on the strange coalition.
"With the Virginia Tech shootings resurrecting calls for tighter gun
controls," the Post said, "the National Rifle Association has begun
negotiations with senior Democrats over legislation to bolster the
national background-check system."
Rep. John Dingell (D-MI), who was once on the NRA Board of Directors
but resigned when he supported and voted for the Clinton semi-auto
ban in 1994, is reported to be "leading talks with the powerful gun
lobby in hopes of producing a deal [soon]," Democratic aides and
lawmakers told the newspaper.
Rep. McCarthy admitted to the Post that her "crusades" for more gun
control have made her voice "toxic" in gun circles. "So
Dingell is
handling negotiations with the NRA," the newspaper reported.
"Dingell is also in talks with Sens. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) and Ted
Stevens (R-Alaska), House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio)
and Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner (Wis.), the senior Republican on the
House Judiciary Committee."
Despite all this bad news, the Post article does go on to explain
that there are some potential pitfalls.
First, you will remember that this is the bill you helped kill last
year, when an avalanche of postcards was dumped on Congressional
desks by thousands upon thousands of GOA activists. That's why the
Post says there is one huge obstacle -- the members of Gun Owners of
America.
"The NRA must balance its desire to respond to the worst mass
shooting by a lone gunman in the nation's history with its
competition with the more strident Gun Owners of America, which
opposes any restriction on gun purchases," the Post reported.
SO WHAT DOES HR 297 DO?
Well, the rest of this alert will answer this question. This alert
is long, but it is important to read it in its entirety. We need to
"arm" ourselves with the facts so that we can keep pro-gun
Congressmen from being duped into supporting a bill that, as of now,
is being unanimously cosponsored by representatives sporting an
"F-"
rating by GOA.
HR 297 provides, in the form of grants, about $1 billion to the
states to send more names to the FBI for inclusion in the National
Instant Criminal Background Check System [NICS]. If you are
thinking, "Oh, I've never committed a felony, so this bill won't
affect me," then you had better think again. If this bill becomes
law, you and your adult children will come closer to losing your gun
rights than ever before.
Are you, or is anyone in your family, a veteran who has suffered from
Post Traumatic Stress? If so, then you (and they) can probably kiss
your gun rights goodbye. In 1999, the Department of Veterans
Administration turned over 90,000 names of veterans to the FBI for
inclusion into the NICS background check system. These military
veterans -- who are some of the most honorable citizens in our
society -- can no longer buy a gun. Why? What was their heinous
"crime"?
Their "crime" was suffering from stress-related symptoms that often
follow our decent men and women who have served their country
overseas and fought the enemy in close combat. For all their
patriotism, the Clinton administration deemed them as mentally
"incompetent," sent their names for inclusion in the NICS
system, and
they are now prohibited from owning guns under 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(4).
HR 297 would make sure that more of these names are included in the
NICS system.
But, of course, Representatives Dingell and McCarthy tell us that we
need HR 297 to stop future Seung-Hui Chos from getting a gun and to
prevent our nation from seeing another shooting like we had on
Virginia Tech. Oh really?
Then why, after passing all of their gun control, do countries like
Canada and Germany still have school shootings? Even the infamous
schoolyard massacre which occurred in Ireland in 1997 took place in a
country that, at that time, had far more stringent gun controls than
we do.
Where has gun control made people safer? Certainly not in
Washington, DC, nor in Great Britain, nor in any other place that has
enacted a draconian gun ban.
IMPORTANT TALKING POINTS FOR CAPITOL HILL
Regarding Cho's evil actions last Monday at Virginia Tech, your
Representative needs to understand three things:
1. If a criminal is a danger to himself and society, then he should
not be on the street. If he is, then there's no law (or background
check for that matter) that will stop him from getting a gun and
acting out the evil that is in his heart. (Remember that Washington,
DC and England have not stopped bad guys from getting guns!) So why
wasn't Cho in the criminal justice system? Why was he allowed to
intermix with other college students? The justice system frequently
passes off thugs to psychologists who then let them slip through
their fingers and back into society -- where they are free to rape,
rob and murder.
2. Background checks DO NOT ULTIMATELY STOP criminals and mental
wackos from getting guns. This means that people who are initially
denied firearms at a gun store can still buy one illegally and commit
murder if they are so inclined -- such as Benjamin Smith did in 1999
(when he left the gun store where he was denied a firearm, bought
guns on the street, and then committed his racist rampage less than a
week later).
NOTE: In the first five years that the Brady Law was in existence,
there were reportedly only three illegal gun buyers who were sent to
jail. That is why in 1997, a training manual produced by Handgun
Control, Inc., guided its activists in how to answer a question
regarding the low number of convictions under the Brady Law. The
manual basically says, when you are asked why so few people are being
sent to jail under Brady, just ignore the question and go on the
attack. [See http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm -- GOF's Gun Control
Fact Sheet.]
3. Background checks threaten to prevent INNOCENT Americans like you
from exercising your right to own a gun for self-defense. No doubt
you are familiar with the countless number of times that the NICS
system has erroneously blocked honest Americans from buying a gun, or
have heard about the times that the NICS computer system has crashed
for days at a time, thus preventing all sales nationwide -- and
effectively shutting down every weekend gun show.
Perhaps the most pernicious way of denying the rights of law-abiding
gun owners is to continuously add more and more gun owners' names
onto the roles of prohibited persons. Clinton did this with many
military veterans in 1999. And Congress did this in 1996, when Sen.
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) successfully pushed a gun ban for people who
have committed very minor offenses that include pushing, shoving or
merely yelling at a family member. Because of the Lautenberg gun
ban, millions of otherwise law-abiding Americans can never again own
guns for self-defense. HR 297 will make it easier for the FBI to
find out who these people are and to deny firearms to them.
GOA has documented other problems with this bill in the past. In our
January alert on HR 297 we pointed out how this bill will easily lend
itself to bureaucratic "fishing expeditions" into your private
records, including your financial, employment, and hospital records.
HR 297 takes us the wrong direction. The anti-gun Rep. Dingell is
trying to sell the bill to the gun owning public as an improvement in
the Brady Law. But don't be fooled! The best improvement would be
to repeal the law and end the "gun free zones" that keep everyone
defenseless and disarmed -- except for the bad guys.
CONTACT INFORMATION: You can visit the Gun Owners Legislative Action
Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your
Representative the pre-written e-mail message below. And, you can
call your Representative toll-free at 1-877-762-8762.
PRE-WRITTEN LETTER
Dear Representative:
I am a Second Amendment supporter who strongly opposes HR 297 -- the
NICS Improvement Act of 2007 -- and I strongly agree with Gun Owners
of America that this bill should be defeated.
The minor improvements this bill makes to the Brady instant check are
insignificant when compared to the outrageous invasions of our
privacy it would permit.
Gun Owners of America has posted an analysis of HR 297 at
http://www.gunowners.org/110anatb.htm on its website, showing how the
bill will target millions of law-abiding gun owners, including
thousands of combat veterans who served our country bravely.
Supporters of this bill say we need it to stop future Seung-Hui Chos
from getting a gun and to prevent our nation from seeing another
shooting like the one at Virginia Tech. But honestly, what gun law
has stopped bad guys from getting a gun? Not in Canada, where they
recently had a school shooting. Certainly not in Washington, DC or
in England!
I think we've got to stop treating criminals like medical patients,
thus allowing them to slip through the cracks. If we are not going
to incarcerate dangerous people, then all the gun laws in the world
will never stop them from getting firearms.
Don't be misled into thinking that this is a bill that gun owners
endorse. Most gun owners want Brady repealed, not "fixed." The law
has done nothing to prevent criminals from obtaining guns, but it has
violated the Second Amendment rights of millions of law-abiding
Americans.
Sincerely,
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GOA In The Media
As you know, GOA spokesmen have been all over the airwaves in recent
days. We hope to have a number of television appearances posted to
our streaming video section at http://www.gunowners.org/svtb.htm
shortly -- most likely by Wednesday.
Got mine at noon 30 and forwarded it to 42 people so far. As well as 2 Senators and 2 Congressmen.
Sent to 42 contacts. Got a response from a FEMALE that had just read the attached link/article. When she got mine she e-mailed back the following in BOLD, RED 36 Font:
"My hard earned dollars that I send to the illegal IRS is NOT going to keep paying for the foolish plans of gun control! Of course the states will need special funding to make sure they can submit all the information to the NICS. This will not keep a nut or terrorist from doing their deed. Just more dollars to line the political pockets!!! This is not Constitutional."
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200704/NAT20070423a.html
Fighting last ditch stands to prevent more gun laws is the typical pathetic moves of a beaten peoples...gun owners.
The proper move is to introduce ROLL-BACKS of gun laws...and let the enemy spend THEIR resources fighting THAT.
A perfect time to do it was with that HERO of the Conservative movement, "I believe in the Second Amendment/we are going to enforce gunlaws bush".....
Didn't happen.
Relax, fellers...allow it to happen. Reach way down deep and pluck up the will to resist when it will make a DIFFERENCE...AFTER a gun ban.
You fighting real hard today merely puts off on your children the ugly neccessity to do what is right...Re-install the Constitution here in America.
No I don't mind. Since we can't depend on the NRA to fight the fight you expect us to roll over and play dead?? I don't have it in me. This may be an effort in futility, but at least it's an effort. It pis.. me off that I have to do this but someone MUST. If all else does fail, well... Without an attempt to educate those with oppositional views and the uninformed or mis-inform, there is still work to do.
I am willing to put my life on the line for what I believe in, when the time comes. I was raised not to give up, not to surrender and fight for what I believe to be worth fighting for!!! My Country and Freedom is at the top of that list. A negative attitude has never produced positive results. Although I respect your opinion and there is a lot of truth in your posts you sound like you've quit. At least, my effort will give someone's grandchild that extra time to grow and learn to defend himself or herself. Maybe even yours. I certainly do not look upon my effort as a pathetic move. Nor do I loath in self-pity as a BEATEN people. A ROLL-BACK of gun laws will never happen without a grassroots effort to make it happen!!! Lead, follow or get out of the way!!! It can be done with or without your help. The rest of us will just have to work harder at it.
Just where in hell did you get the completely eroneous impression that "I have given up " ????
Listen up;
I paraphrase a bit..."I have not yet begun to fight...and I been doing this FAR longer then you have even been aware that there is a problem".
No,Sir...I chose to direct MY energies towards friutful activities..instead of 'feelgood' activities such as contacting congress or sending money to the NRA.
Get hard and STAY hard...and help other INDIVIDUALS understand that the hour is LATE...REAL late.
Contimue to waste your time, if you choose to....it is, after all, a "Free Country"...
"Rolling over" is what people are doing that stil believe in the system
...that being the better to present their neither regions to the Elites for the reaming..
"Playing dead" is exactly what your cards/letters/money to gun rights orgs. and politicians amounts to...as far as they are concerned, you are dead...and so are your wishes.
My,my, my..Wagon Wheel.....?
Just where in hell did you get the completely eroneous impression that "I have given up " ????
Listen up;
I paraphrase a bit..."I have not yet begun to fight...and I been doing this FAR longer then you have even been aware that there is a problem".
No,Sir...I chose to direct MY energies towards friutful activities..instead of 'feelgood' activities such as contacting congress or sending money to the NRA.
Get hard and STAY hard...and help other INDIVIDUALS understand that the hour is LATE...REAL late.
Contimue to waste your time, if you choose to....it is, after all, a "Free Country"...
"Rolling over" is what people are doing that stil believe in the system
...that being the better to present their neither regions to the Elites for the reaming..
"Playing dead" is exactly what your cards/letters/money to gun rights orgs. and politicians amounts to...as far as they are concerned, you are dead...and so are your wishes.
At one time I would have argued with this. As you know highball, after serious thought, I agreed you are CORRECT. Was a big lump to swallow, however you know how I feel about a revolution. [:)]
Ugly little evil men usurped ALL the gains of the Founders...took yours and my Rights away...and put in place permissions, rules, and regulations sufficient to prevent freedom flourishing..perhaps ever again.
The Revolution already took place.
how surprising that nobody sees, wants to see or believe this. even people who are more or less versed in American history.
The Revolution already took place.
Ugly little evil men usurped ALL the gains of the Founders...took yours and my Rights away...and put in place permissions, rules, and regulations sufficient to prevent freedom flourishing..perhaps ever again.
The FIRST revolution took place. The second coming is yet to be announced.
You state you "have not begun to fight" and also state "the hour is late"....just when is the hour you will stand up for our beliefs. You confuse me.
by teaching whomever I can to shoot...and instilling the urge to investigate the lying claims of the media and government.
I point out the fruitlessness of sending money to gun organizations that claim to stand between the government and your guns...as steadily we lose the ability to freely buy,sell,trade or use firearms.
I point out to all that wil listen the difference between "Rights"...and "Permission".
I point out that crawling on your bellies, begging empty little men in grey suits to obey the Constitution is DEMEANING to a free man..to a citizen...that prompt TRIALS ought to be held for the bulk of political leaders we have today...and for the last 80 years...said trials held in courts of law to determine exactly how deeply the gutting of American freedoms has progressed...
The REAL point being...we ALREADY have lost the battle over gun rights...over most ALL rights...that the Constitution is a shambles of tattered toilet paper...that for God's sake is there NO SHAME ANYMORE AMOUNG AMERICAN MALES....
Does crawling and begging (NICS checks) DADDY...can I buy a gun...DO NOTHING TO YOUR SOUL ?????
The Founders would SPIT ON US..we are unfit to shine their boots.
I agree with you that we are losing, incrementally, and that the anti gun crowd has the upper hand. However, I disagree that the war is lost. I also disagree that letters and e-mails (grassroots activism) are a waste of time. TO WIT: When the D.C. Gun ban was overturned, did Sarah Brady or any Gun Control activist ROLL-OVER and declare their war lost??? HELL NO, they stepped things up another notch. You've seen the posts right here on GB, recruiting e-mails requesting financial support and pro-active phone calls and e-mails. Should OUR SIDE do any less?
Of course if we all just Roll-over and declare it a lost cause, it certainly will be lost!! I don't appreciate your statements that I am wasting my time and as long as I am breathing I will do what I can to counter the onslaught with the same tactics the enemy uses. ACTIVISM.
The House Demorats are completely out of control. They are bent on passing any gun control bill they get the opportunity to send to the floor. The Va. Tech madman has given them such just an opportunity. They were given control of the house through complacency. Do you think they Rolled over when they lost in 94', Hell NO! They made a plan to regain control. It took them longer than they wanted, but guess what? Do you think they've become complacent now? Hell NO, they have control and a plan, as devious as any they've ever used. Citizens whom refuse to vote and Voters disgusted with the system whom decided to stay home and not exercise their DUTY to vote gave them that leg up. Complacency is killing us!!! GIVING these liberals the opportunity to institute their Socialist Agenda. How many Illegals JUMPED at the opportunity to vote for Demorats that would support amnesty?? Any vote the Demorats could get against Bush, for withdrawal from Iraq, for globalization, open borders, etc., etc. etc., (none of which is good for the country) was a vote FOR GUN CONTROL!!! Wake Up!! The anti's DID!!! They didn't get those votes by giving up and calling it a lost cause.
It's easier to kick back, declare all is lost, and claim "Victim Status", as so many Americans do, than get off you're a@@ and become an activist for what you believe to be worthy. Past failure is not an excuse for abandoning your core belief. It just demonstrates an inability to adapt to circumstances and gives you the opportunity to play that "Blame Game" with the rest of the quitters.
I do believe that had anyone been sitting around camp in Valley Forge, started spewing "The War IS Lost" negativity, Ol' George would have had them shot. Your right, some people would be unfit to shine his boots!!
Rest assured it's not all a futile effort. Even though I know his position it doesn't hurt to reiterate mine our get his in writing.
Dear Mr. XXXXXXX:
Thank you for writing me regarding the right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitu tion. It is good to hear from you on this important issue.
We must ensure the rights and freedoms of law-abiding citizens are not infringed upon. Sportsmen, hunters, gun enthusiasts and citizens concerned with their personal safety have a right to own guns for these legitimate purposes. The ability of decent, hard-working Americans to own a gun, whether for sport or protection is clearly defined in the Constitution and must not be compromised. Only a government that does not trust its citizens would refuse them the right to bear arms.
Since coming to Congress, I have worked very hard to defeat efforts to erode our constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Rest assured, I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and I will continue to ensure the rights of gun owners will not be further infringed upon.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if I may be of assistance to you in the future. In the meantime, if you would like to receive timely e-mail alerts regarding the latest congressional actions and my weekly e-newsletter, please sign up via my web site at: www.chambliss.senate.gov .
I have no idea if the e-mails, or letters we send really make a difference or not. Right now, it is all we can do, short of also doing what HighBall says he does, which is to educate, and prepare for a far worse scenario. What I spend belonging to these "orgs" is not breaking me by any means, and if anything positive comes out of it, I am in favor.
There are many divided folks here, which only shows how difficult a "revolution" would be. We are not at that point yet,........and anything of that sort takes "critical mass", which does not exist at this point.
Personally, I wish we could quit fighting with one another, and face the most serious threats first,.........some of which have nothing to do with guns, IMHO. Until we close the borders into this country, we are in a losing proposition,........that is at the top of my "hit-list", along with maintaining the second amendment.
If we must take "to the hills" someday,.........so be it, and I WILL be there, or I will be dead already,........but we still have other options to remedy the situation NOW! Do I believe we will ever get what should be, concerning the second amendment, short of another revolution,.........no, but I still say there is no mass movement at this point. It will take a drastic measure by the government to even have a chance of creating that, and it is not here yet.
Keep doing what you do, and so will I, even though some think we are wasting our time and funds. That is what is great here,.........we can disagree, but we are all into this for the same purpose, just some by different methods.[;)]
Still believing in the tooth fairy...still believing that there were decent men in power.
The previous 20 years had been spent calling,writting..ect...all the things you are doing today.
Gradually as the years went by I saw the utter futility of trying to effect change by conventinal methods.
The years have proven me right.
NO attempts have been made to roll back gun laws...on ANY level..CCWs' are a JOKE...a BAD joke...on EVERY freedom loving person in this country....
As far as crawling...of COURSE we ALL crawl to buy a gun. Just that SOME of us realize it...the difference between a slave and an illegally imprisoned freeman...
You MUST adopt the mind set that you WILL obey tyranny...but you WILL know the difference between a slave...and a FREEMAN...
Withdraw from the utterly corrupted political process.
Allow the Elites to make the fatal mistake of banning whole classes of guns.
Merely withdrawing pressure from the NRA and other gun organizations, and the politicians will ensure that they will cross the line speedily...throwing out the Constitution publicly...instead of lying and fooling the oh-so-gullible public into believing that your opinion means a damn thing...
Alls you are doing is giving them a guage into the public degradation of spirit....which becomes more slavelike with each passing day...
They WILL HAVE THEIR BAN...next year...next decade...20 years...IT WILL HAPPEN.
YOUR only possibilities are to delay it till your children...poor dumbed down things that they are, coming out of the government propaganda camps ( AKA schools) accept total domination as ACTUAL slaves...
OR you, as a warriour, can set up an ambush.
The absolute ONLY way to beat the Elites is to involve the silent gun owners out there...and the only way to involve THEM is sweeping gun bans.
This MUST happen with NO HINTS OF VIOLENCE FROM LEGITIMATE GUN OWNERS...the bans MUST take place unprovoked by violence...or violence ONLY by the crazies...I.E., the Choes of the world...
Thirty days after the bans slam down...we shall see if red blood runs in the veins of enough Americans..or if a thousand years of darkness will fall upon America.
Whatever the outcome...many of us will cross the divide..but by GOD it is far better to live 15 moments as a MAN..then 80 years crawling on your belly.
I think that is the point. If/when this goes down we will find out how many true Americans are left in this country. And if there are not enough... then the world may wait another 1,000 years before a group of people re-discover the spark of Liberty.
Can we reset the clock back 200 years now (or very soon), or will the world cast fate to the wind and wait for another enlightened generation to come sometime in the distant future? Perhaps we have grown too decadent, lazy, and apathetic to even deserve Liberty. Perhaps Liberty died on the beaches of Normandy, or the fields of Gettysburg.
Highball makes an interesting point...
quote:YOUR only possibilities are to delay it till your children...poor dumbed down things that they are, coming out of the government propaganda camps ( AKA schools) accept total domination as ACTUAL slaves...
Perhaps we are the last chance at regaining true Liberty in this country... or maybe it is too late already. Maybe the moment has already passed. And even if we somehow did succeed at resetting the Liberty clock, what is to say our children would know how to keep it wound? Maybe it takes 1000 years of darkness to sustain 200 years of Liberty. Maybe the sun is setting on us and there is nothing we can do, it is merely the nature of things.
I do NOT expect " Anyone to follow ".
I am interested in MEN...and men lead...not "FOLLOW".
"Following" is for the brain-dead idiots that w horeshp those in authority.
I intend speaking ONLY to those with the brains and guts to look beyond the obvious...to lift the corner of the overwhelming waves of lying propaganda that washes over the populace EVERY DAY from government/media sources....
Damn right..I am abrasive. Get over it...or ignore me.
quote:and you expect anyone to follow? oh well...
I think that is the point. If/when this goes down we will find out how many true Americans are left in this country. And if there are not enough... then the world may wait another 1,000 years before a group of people re-discover the spark of Liberty.
then i must be utterly stupid because i don't see any point here but alienating even those who agree with certain views 100%. i'm sure i'll be stating the obvious but i guess it must be said: in order to gain a significant change, one needs to have a critical mass, to get that critical mass, one needs to attract a mass of people to follow, enough to create this mass. how is it possible to attract a large number of followers by regarding them as stupid? all one will accomplish is be left alone.
quote:
Can we reset the clock back 200 years now (or very soon), or will the world cast fate to the wind and wait for another enlightened generation to come sometime in the distant future? Perhaps we have grown too decadent, lazy, and apathetic to even deserve Liberty. Perhaps Liberty died on the beaches of Normandy, or the fields of Gettysburg.
exactly correct. i don't see anything changing drastically anytime soon, or at least drastically in eyes of apathetic mass of people whose idols are paris hilton and britney spears and the likes. but again, i am in an environment where it's hip to hate the US and despise Americans and praise illegal immigrants for they "do the jobs no one else wants to do".
quote:
Highball makes an interesting point...
quote:YOUR only possibilities are to delay it till your children...poor dumbed down things that they are, coming out of the government propaganda camps ( AKA schools) accept total domination as ACTUAL slaves...
Perhaps we are the last chance at regaining true Liberty in this country... or maybe it is too late already. Maybe the moment has already passed. And even if we somehow did succeed at resetting the Liberty clock, what is to say our children would know how to keep it wound? Maybe it takes 1000 years of darkness to sustain 200 years of Liberty. Maybe the sun is setting on us and there is nothing we can do, it is merely the nature of things.
perhaps. all i see is reiteration of the same. it depends on the parents how children will come out. those who give a damn don't let their kids be brainwashed.
Where is the NRA on this?
I am divided upon how I personally feel about that, but there IS a certain truth to it, and not leaving it for future generations, that may be even more unlikely to attempt to do anything.
And yes, when I jump through the hooops to buy a gun,.......it is as a MAN that is tolerating the laws, not "bowing"!
For those that are not getting it all straight,.............HighBall WANTS to see a total gun ban, and he wants to see it happen NOW, or as
i wonder what would happen if hitlery would get elected...
frankly, while i support this point of view, i think it's still too early. i might be wrong, though it seems that people aren't pissed off enough (though they are getting there).
Trying to keep the brain-dead happy is no task for me.
I wish to communicate with people that can hold a thought in their head for longer then 30 seconds...people that are passionate about FREEDOM....
See..those OTHER kind is why we are falling as a Nation...and our Rights have gone down the commode. Unable to think..willing to follow 'authority', as long as it comes in uniform or a big car...
I DELIBERTLY hammer at people...men get mad..and think about what I am saying..so as to have a crushing come-back, if nothing else...
The wanna-be-men that can't quite cut it attack me personally..it is so easy to separate men I would share a foxhole with...and those that will turn in their guns...
I am getting on in years. Little time left for me to sugar-coat the stark reality of a government gone mad..the best I can hope for is to cause someone else, somewhere,to actually THINK about the endless propaganda fed us 24/7...
Marc;
Don't take it so personally. I use shock words as a weapon.
I use them because I WANT people to feel a sense of shame EVERY TIME they get a NICS check.
I don't give a thin diddly-squat about the 'masses'...really, I don't.
and again, what will this gain? a group of 3 crazed armed to teeth men who'll get their * handed to them in a matter of minutes in SHTF?
you can't achieve anything not with one not with two not with thousands of men, women, children or elders by insulting them. period. such as psychology of humans.
I don't give a thin diddly-squat about the 'masses'...really, I don't.
Trying to keep the brain-dead happy is no task for me.
I wish to communicate with people that can hold a thought in their head for longer then 30 seconds...people that are passionate about FREEDOM....
See..those OTHER kind is why we are falling as a Nation...and our Rights have gone down the commode. Unable to think..willing to follow 'authority', as long as it comes in uniform or a big car...
I DELIBERTLY hammer at people...men get mad..and think about what I am saying..so as to have a crushing come-back, if nothing else...
The wanna-be-men that can't quite cut it attack me personally..it is so easy to separate men I would share a foxhole with...and those that will turn in their guns...
I am getting on in years. Little time left for me to sugar-coat the stark reality of a government gone mad..the best I can hope for is to cause someone else, somewhere,to actually THINK about the endless propaganda fed us 24/7...
Marc;
Don't take it so personally. I use shock words as a weapon.
I use them because I WANT people to feel a sense of shame EVERY TIME they get a NICS check.
HB,
You obviously get it and so do I and a few others here.[;)]
Yes, indeed.
Russian;
Your people are only comfortable sending millions of warm bodies against entrenched machine guns.
Please don't presume to tell an American how to fight a war.
Please don't make the assumption that just because ball-less, sold out political leaders have lost every war since 1945 has ANYTHING to do with Americans.....
You would do well to get a book on the history of the Revolutionary War..(Ours)...and study the Militia.
Not George Washington, mind you...left to HIS leadership, we would have lost that war....
Sneaky,.........again you are missing his point. It has taken me some time to understand him,..........when he speaks of the masses, it is in reference to the "patriots" that are, and were in the small minority, when this Republic was founded. Most were in favor of continuing to kiss the King's rear,...........it was a very small percentage that took up arms, and they were backed up by a fairly small percentage of the others. That is the conclusion that he is drawing. He is NOT a kook that is trying to drum up a few nutcases to make the next Ruby Ridge, or Waco,.......he is trying to incite a thought process in all that read. He does not care if it makes one angry, or all,........that is how he makes his points.
I am still not on the "same" page as he is, but I am starting to absorb some of the points that he is making. He is abrasive, and likes it that way,.............it is to make one think.
I personally don't care what Highball thinks of me, as I am not a follower,..........but he IS an intelligent man, that at the very least we can learn something from, if we listen instead of becoming angry. People that are older often have more knowledge for a reason,.........they have seen more, and had more time to analyze, and think about it than us of lesser years.[;)]
Russian;
Your people are only comfortable sending millions of warm bodies against entrenched machine guns.
<-- speechless. i will however stay on the level and will not degrade to insults and meaningless rant.
[:)]
Highball, friend you have to remember that to argue with sneakyrussian is futile. If he is infact russian raised he IS indoctrinated in the russian syatem, not America's way of FREEDOM. Remember that other russian, tigerclaw? The apple does not fall far from the tree.I know you are right highball In that and most any other respect.If he can't see why, then he does not really ponder the thought.His is a knee-jerk reaction.
wow. (edited a few times)
well, it's impossible to reply or comment on utter stupidity.
wow. (edited a few times)
well, it's impossible to reply or comment on utter stupidity.
Wow, what a response. Can you not see how futile the effort is to think someone else(a business) gives a royal rip about your freedom? Think of this, would they exist IF you had your total freedom back? How could they exist IF you had your rights? What would be the sense in paying dues to a business that gives you nothing in return? Can you see NOW exactly WHY those businesses won't get your freedom back? IF you can't see why a revolution IS needed , you really don't read history or forsee what could reasonably happen in the future given the past events.
Wow, what a response.
fairly adequate.
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Can you not see how futile the effort is to think someone else(a business) gives a royal rip about your freedom? Think of this, would they exist IF you had your total freedom back? How could they exist IF you had your rights? What would be the sense in paying dues to a business that gives you nothing in return? Can you see NOW exactly WHY those businesses won't get your freedom back? IF you can't see why a revolution IS needed , you really don't read history or forsee what could reasonably happen in the future given the past events.
no offense -- i am trying to understand what exactly are you saying this for? do you just like seeing your posts on the internet or are you trying to coach me in some way? if the latter, it's pointless, 'cause you'd be preaching to the choir. still don't get it?