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Help, need advise on self defense in DC
whompuss
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Our 25 old daughter has moved to VA but works in DC. She is sales mgr for beverage distributor (Capitol Eagle) and job requires visits to bars, night clubs etc during their busy times= 4pm to 9pm. She has a revolver (trained shooter) at her apartment but cannot take it to DC, also stun guns are prohibited. What advice can you give me for her self protection while in the District?
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Bear Spray, if it's legal.
I have also seen pepper spray "RINGS" that can be worn as jewelry but I don't know if that's legal there either.
And of course a GOOD, LOUD military style whistle around her neck.
Best solution: Get another job!!
She's pretty street savy but is only 5-1 @ 105# so her physical strength is limited.
Hard to believe that a tiny little woman is so limited to protection in the highest crime area of the US. I've tried to talk her into getting a job where she lives (VA) but she has a high paying fun job and doesn't want to give it up.
"There are restrictions for the type and size container so I guess bear spray is out."
Bear spray can be obtained in a variety of sizes, actual content and effective ranges. The self-defense route sounds like a Very good idea based on her stature.
You may want to look into "dual purpose" tools that she could carry inconspicuously, but use for defense when necessary. Examples might be a bat, hammer, etc. Perhaps others have ideas of more ideal devices that a woman might be able to carry on a daily basis. There maybe some improvised tools that she could carry, like some panty hose with a pound of shot tied at the end that could work as a makeshift asp or blackjack, although likely illegal in most places too.
My wife carries pepper spray in her purse. By the way, she just learned a couple days ago that her work will not allow her to store a firearm in her personal vehicle in their company parking lot. She was told that she would have to park on the street (about a quarter mile from the building) if she has a firearm in her vehicle. This was very surprising to me as she works here in Nevada (a relatively pro-gun state) for a large American corporation that somewhat prides itself on having "free-spirited" customers.
Our state legislature tried to pass a law recently, preventing businesses from telling employees, and customers, using their parking lots, that they could not have a gun in their locked vehicle.
Unfortunately, it was defeated this time,.......but is going to be reintroduced.
I do a LOT of work for a huge industrial corporation here, and they have that rule on their property.
I spoke to the "higher up", that I must deal with, about that subject one day.
I have done their work in my trade, for 15 years now,.......but I told him if I had to leave my pistol home because of having to go there virtually avery day, at some point, that it rendered my CCW useless, and that they would need to find another vendor.
Surprisingly, he told me to just make sure it was in my console, and out of sight, and to forget about it.
Also, obviously, to never mention it to anyone there![;)]
I am teribly sorry that you and I live in occupied country, ruled by a Beast that refuses to allow 25 year-old girls to defend themselves.
That is a failure on OUR part..so we can share in the blame of it all.
1. Learn how to pray real good.
2. Get a new job.
You can see how both options suck.
Go to a grocery store, and find the cheapest and smallest can of Oven Cleaner, being certain to read the label - if it says clearly "Not for Aluminum", she has the right one. Buy two, and a few items of incidental sort, maybe like something for her car. Keep the receipt, in the bag. Keep the bag in the car.
"Not for Aluminum" oven cleaner is mostly LYE...Have her practice with one can, see how far it squirts??? Aim at small objects at about EYE-LEVEL or MOUTH_LEVEL, maybe three or four feet away, not too close!
Turns out, many things like knives, hatpins, flashlights, souvenir bats, bear and pepper spray have sometimes been found to be "Premeditated" or "designed or intended to cause harm", while "I was just going to use it to clean my oven" has not. This assumes she has an oven. She should say some variant of : "I just grabbed the first thing I could find." Every time the item is over three or four months old, use it up in the Oven (or practice), and get two or three new ones.
No Guarantees, no promises, This is just a hypothetical discussion, I didn't tell you anything you didn't already know, I never told you to harm any person, your mileage might vary, etc., and so on.
Here is the advice I heard from an Attorney, on a personal, not professional basis:
Go to a grocery store, and find the cheapest and smallest can of Oven Cleaner, being certain to read the label - if it says clearly "Not for Aluminum", she has the right one. Buy two, and a few items of incidental sort, maybe like something for her car. Keep the receipt, in the bag. Keep the bag in the car.
"Not for Aluminum" oven cleaner is mostly LYE...Have her practice with one can, see how far it squirts??? Aim at small objects at about EYE-LEVEL or MOUTH_LEVEL, maybe three or four feet away, not too close!
Turns out, many things like knives, hatpins, flashlights, souvenir bats, bear and pepper spray have sometimes been found to be "Premeditated" or "designed or intended to cause harm", while "I was just going to use it to clean my oven" has not. This assumes she has an oven. She should say some variant of : "I just grabbed the first thing I could find." Every time the item is over three or four months old, use it up in the Oven (or practice), and get two or three new ones.
No Guarantees, no promises, This is just a hypothetical discussion, I didn't tell you anything you didn't already know, I never told you to harm any person, your mileage might vary, etc., and so on.
And no animals were harmed either, right?
Kudos on this post... Something I would never have thought of.
May be just an urban legend of sorts, but I've heard that anyone visiting D.C. from another state, if charged with possession of a firearm, only needs to contact their Congressman to have the issue taken care of. Anyone have the straight skinny on this rumor?
Also, this may seem a little extreme... but... in the case of your daughter, whompuss, if there's a chance she could be commissioned as a peace officer (a reserve deputy constable, for instance) then she could legally carry a firearm in DC or any other state. Not a solution for everyone, and I'll be the first to admit people shouldn't have to go to that sort of extreme to protect themselves, but still it's one possible solution to her problem.
It has a 13' foot range, and can fire twice. I picked one up for the wife recently, and is seems to be a straightforward and practical device.
http://www.life-act.com/
Brad Steele
It does not say anywhere in the constitution, that you have the right to carry a handgun concealed on your person, your construing that from the right to keep and bear arms.
Neither do I see that you cannot. This argument is just another one of those on the left used to attack the Second.
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If you believe that the Constitution enumerates ALL of your rights then those are the ONLY rights you deserve.
It does not say anywhere in the constitution, that you have the right to carry a handgun concealed on your person, your construing that from the right to keep and bear arms.
Actually, when it says "bear arms", it doesn't limit us to specific methods of carry, basically stating that, however you want to carry it is fine. You're responsible for the outcome.
They have been taught..and learned well..that common citizens are FAR more to be feared then government.
The mere fact that hundreds of millions of people were killed by out-of-control governments last century is just a curiosity to them.nothing to get excited about, you know.
Concealed carry was a worry to some from the beginning of our history.
Swift, sure justice would have been a better answer to criminal acts or the deranged.
There is no good responses to the original question.
The choices are to break the law and help ensure personal saftey;
Or submit and accept whatever fate holds for a victim.
Each individual makes his or her choice in the matter.
If she doesn't carry a gun and uses one of the mentioned legal ways of carring. Chances are that if she comes across and attacker, and I pray she doesn't, the attacker will mostly have a gun.
When will gun grabbers learn gun laws don't effect criminals.
If I carried in D.C. and was caught I think I would agrue the 2nd ammendment rights in the courts.
I'm not in the practice of telling someone to go and break the law, but as one members stated it's better to go get you daugther out of jail then and funeral home.
I'm not in the practice of telling someone to go and break the law, but as one members stated it's better to go get you daugther out of jail then and funeral home.
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quote:Originally posted by akfanatik
i would definitely carry, its her constitutional God given right
quote:Originally posted by HandLoad
Here is the advice I heard from an Attorney, on a personal, not professional basis:
Go to a grocery store, and find the cheapest and smallest can of Oven Cleaner, being certain to read the label - if it says clearly "Not for Aluminum", she has the right one. Buy two, and a few items of incidental sort, maybe like something for her car. Keep the receipt, in the bag. Keep the bag in the car.
"Not for Aluminum" oven cleaner is mostly LYE...Have her practice with one can, see how far it squirts??? Aim at small objects at about EYE-LEVEL or MOUTH_LEVEL, maybe three or four feet away, not too close!
Turns out, many things like knives, hatpins, flashlights, souvenir bats, bear and pepper spray have sometimes been found to be "Premeditated" or "designed or intended to cause harm", while "I was just going to use it to clean my oven" has not. This assumes she has an oven. She should say some variant of : "I just grabbed the first thing I could find." Every time the item is over three or four months old, use it up in the Oven (or practice), and get two or three new ones.
No Guarantees, no promises, This is just a hypothetical discussion, I didn't tell you anything you didn't already know, I never told you to harm any person, your mileage might vary, etc., and so on.
"It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its label." - I'm not saying this is a totally bad plan but a can of oven cleaner is bigger than she can carry with her. Also the receipt will have a date on it and then there's the issue of carrying aerosol cans in vehicle.
My opinion is carry the gun - if she has to use it it seems unlikely that someone she has to pull it on will file a complaint...