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fight before its too late
dan kelly
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i`m not from the U S , i live in australia. handgun ownership has been strictly regulated here since 1923. about the only way you can have them is to join a club , you cant carry them or hunt wioth them legally. until 1993 we didnt need a licence to possess guns with a barrel over 16 inches. we didnt have registration, in `93 we had to get a gun licence. in `96 there was a mass killing here, our government of the day(the equivelent of your republican party) sold us out and banned all semi auto rifles and shotguns and all pump action shotguns. we had to register everything we had. our guns that the government took were melted down for scrap. ..what i`m trying to say is, dont trust your politicians..none of them!! if it suits their political agenda they will sell you out too. the one thing in your favour is it isnt compulsory to vote so pro gun lobby groups have influence there, here if we dont vote we get fined, and if they want they can jail you. the government just ignore gun owners here now, and there isnt a damn thing we can do about it! when our constitution was drawn up it was taken for granted that it was a right to own guns, so they never bothered to put it in the constitution...i wish to god they did!!!!!now if someone breaks into your house and rapes your wife or daughter or tries to kill you you have to call the cops and hope like hell that they get here fast, it stinks, we cant own anything for self defence, not even a baseball bat, if your excuse for having something is for self defence you will be charged for possesion of an offensive weapon.only the criminals have rights, and only criminals can carry guns ( i do carry illegally, and i`m proud of it, the politicians forced me to break the law to defend my family, and i`ll go to hell before i let my family down)as the saying goes " WHEN GUNS ARE OUTLAWED ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS" i wish there was something we could do about it, but there isnt...at least you can still fight for your rights..and believe me, if the bans happen there they will happen overnight!! good luck to you all.
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Was the Australian people as heavily armed as we Americans are ?
I have read that there are over 200 million firearms in American hands. That is a lot of guns to confiscate. I suspect that our government will get maybe ten or fifteen of them before all hell breaks loose !
1. You live under a tyrannical oppressive government that has denied you your inherent human right of self defense. We should all acknowledge this, as tyranny does not always come in the form of a dictator and it doesn't always stay in the Third World.
2. The people of Australia, Canada, South Africa, Great Britain, and all other British possessions have never had true freedom. They are not CITIZENS of the British government (or any derivative government), they are indeed SUBJECTS of the British Monarchy. This has made it all the easier for an oppressive regime to take over a subjected and placated populace that has been trained to bow down to a monarch for centuries.
3. The acceptance of ANY restriction on possession of ANY firearm (such as the handgun restriction from 1923 that you cite) by ANY government or dictator is a slippery slope that WILL inevitably end with a total gun confiscation. No matter how benign or reasonable a restriction may seem, the alterior motive is the complete disarmament of the populace, albeit perhaps years, decades, or centuries down the line. Our acceptance of disarmament began in America in 1934, thus betraying everything that our Patriots fought for in the American Revolution. Ever since then we have experienced the slow bleed of our human right to self defense and the further intrusion of tyranny in our lives.
4. I admire you for wanting to protect yourself, your family, and your property. But realize, you are hereby considered an enemy of your state (and may be in danger by posting in these forums). Realize that if you are discovered, you will be persecuted, and it is unlikely that you will find allies among your neighbors as they have been bred to be the bewildered sheep that have gotten you and your country into this mess to begin with!
thankyou wounded wolf...you understand where i`m coming from...it isnt nice to live in fear of your own government...i`m at the stage now where i dont care if my government persecutes me for being armed to protect my family....i would die for them in an instant...but since 1996 i WILL NEVER die for my country. my country sold me out, my loyalty to australia died on the day i had my guns stolen by the politicians here.ive always wanted to visit the U S but i wont ever go there now because i fear that if i got there i would never leave and your country is like mine..over run by illegal aliens...and i bet your government is the same as mine and does nothing except waste my tax dollars looking after them...again i thank you for understanding how i feel..
Dan,.......are you sure you have never lived here!
Sounds like you know how things work.[:D][;)]
When I hear you say something like "I will never defend my country"
it means to me that you belive ALL people in your country are not worth defending.
My personal belief is I WILL FIGHT FOR MY COUNTRY (meaning the citizens), I will NOT however fight for the slimebag politicians. I don't belive elected, or otherwise,that they are citizens. They are SUPPOSED to be subjects to the people (as in subjects like British common folk), or sevants if you will.
Fighting FOR your country does NOT have to mean arming yourself, and shooting the tyrants. Start by educating your people about the matter of arms.
We are on your side Dan. We understand exactly how you feel about being disarmed.
So Dan, did you guys have an "NRA" to "fight" (ha!) for your rights as they slipped away, like we do?
it.
Oh, BS. They are free to leave any time they want. They're just a bunch of whining do-nothing sissies.
"2. The people of Australia, Canada, South Africa, Great Britain, and all other British possessions have never had true freedom."
Oh, BS. They are free to leave any time they want. They're just a bunch of whining do-nothing sissies.
That is a stupid statement. Does history teach you nothing? Do current events teach you nothing?
What would you have them do to not be "sissies"?
Should a country turn to rebellion and murder when the citizens disagree on policy?
The answer is not ALLWAYS violence. It should be a very last resort.
WE OURSELVES are at that crossroad. We have but one non-violent option left. That would be this upcoming whitehouse race. This is our LAST opppertunity to return to some semblence of a constitutional republic. We at this point have tumbled so FAR down the slope that are feet are allready wet in the river.
While I may not agree with other country's laws and politics, I am not going to flat out call the whole country "sissies". Remember OUR OWN country tolerated a bunch BEFORE we rebeled. The Brits we a bit of a thorn in our sides for some time preceeding that war.
The Aussies are in a DIFFERENT position.
You gonna make war with your .22 and take fire from a .308? Thier weapons were STOLEN from them. True, they should have fought then, BUT they are a more submissive people for the most part.
WE are becoming all too SUBMISSIVE. We face the SAME dangers.
Where are you going to move to when we are faced with a gun ban?