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HOWEVER - I will conceed that if you are on this message board, you are an outlier in your generation. Most likely fairly removed from the idiots in your peer group.
quote:Originally posted by flat8
HOWEVER - I will conceed that if you are on this message board, you are an outlier in your generation. Most likely fairly removed from the idiots in your peer group.
Tarter,,,,,,,,Your post about strating a new church has been tried. In Waco. Didn't work out so well.
Seriously though. There has been several polls taken from time to time. Both of the military and local Police agencies. The basic question was would you, (Police), if ordered to do so, go door to door and take guns from otherwise law abiding citizens. The majority (over 80%)said no. Would you(military), fire upon an American civilian population that refused to give up their guns? Again, the Vast majority said NO. Now I know some are going to start screaming "What about New Orleans?". Ok. Point taken. But your also talking about one the MOST corrupt local Government s in the country. With a totally corupt Police force led by an equally corrupt Police Chief. I mean hey. These guys were either abandoning the city or looting it. They stole high end cars off their lots. Looted Dept Stores in full view of cameras. Not the best example you can come up with of a stellar Police Dept. So I don't except them as the norm. Most rank and file L.E.O's are strong supporters of gun rights. And should the day come that the government tries to use their military to confiscate guns from the population,, remember, most of those guys are guns owners too. And they took an oath to defend that right. And a lot of them drive tanks, and fly jets.
quote:Originally posted by 45long
Tarter,,,,,,,,Your post about strating a new church has been tried. In Waco. Didn't work out so well.
Seriously though. There has been several polls taken from time to time. Both of the military and local Police agencies. The basic question was would you, (Police), if ordered to do so, go door to door and take guns from otherwise law abiding citizens. The majority (over 80%)said no. Would you(military), fire upon an American civilian population that refused to give up their guns? Again, the Vast majority said NO. Now I know some are going to start screaming "What about New Orleans?". Ok. Point taken. But your also talking about one the MOST corrupt local Government s in the country. With a totally corupt Police force led by an equally corrupt Police Chief. I mean hey. These guys were either abandoning the city or looting it. They stole high end cars off their lots. Looted Dept Stores in full view of cameras. Not the best example you can come up with of a stellar Police Dept. So I don't except them as the norm. Most rank and file L.E.O's are strong supporters of gun rights. And should the day come that the government tries to use their military to confiscate guns from the population,, remember, most of those guys are guns owners too. And they took an oath to defend that right. And a lot of them drive tanks, and fly jets.
45long
Do you have a link or article you can post here ? I have heard about these polls but never seen one for myself.
quote:Originally posted by 45long
Tarter,,,,,,,,Your post about strating a new church has been tried. In Waco. Didn't work out so well.
Seriously though. There has been several polls taken from time to time. Both of the military and local Police agencies. The basic question was would you, (Police), if ordered to do so, go door to door and take guns from otherwise law abiding citizens. The majority (over 80%)said no. Would you(military), fire upon an American civilian population that refused to give up their guns? Again, the Vast majority said NO. Now I know some are going to start screaming "What about New Orleans?". Ok. Point taken. But your also talking about one the MOST corrupt local Government s in the country. With a totally corupt Police force led by an equally corrupt Police Chief. I mean hey. These guys were either abandoning the city or looting it. They stole high end cars off their lots. Looted Dept Stores in full view of cameras. Not the best example you can come up with of a stellar Police Dept. So I don't except them as the norm. Most rank and file L.E.O's are strong supporters of gun rights. And should the day come that the government tries to use their military to confiscate guns from the population,, remember, most of those guys are guns owners too. And they took an oath to defend that right. And a lot of them drive tanks, and fly jets.
Hate to burst your bubble sir.
You are correct about the NOPD, it WAS about decimated for many of the reasons you mentioned and it is and was very corrupt.
However, the confiscations were largely committed by all the out-of-state cops that were sent there to police the city in its "state of emergency". "Hizhoner" the Mayer and "Hizmajesty" the NOPD Chief ordered it, but the foot soldiers were mainly teams of police from other areas of La, or from out of state.
Professional police from many states made up the teams that stole firearms from American Citizens, in direct violation of the US Constitution.
I will try and find the Magazine and article. Someone here at work seems to have made off with it. And while I did not every LEO said no, I did say a majority of said they not obey such an order. And who knows how many they asked to get the ones that participated.
Speaking as a Fed. L.E.O I would not and neither would most of the guys I work with. Thats all I can say to it. As for the military, I don't think that poll was ever made public. I know about it because one of the guys I used to work with was asked that question in a poll presented to the troops during the Clinton years. I think it may be something that comes out from time to time to see what the response is. Maybe someday, if the response is more what they want, then maybe we will have some to worry about.
It is not the US Government I fear so much as the lack of reaction from it's citizens. A government is only as powerful as the people allow it to become. As long as the people remain passive the US governement will continue to move more and more toward the tyrannical.
I dont fear my government! Fear has been replaced a long time ago by disgust and anticipation of a revolution. But whats worse than the government is the mentality of a great deal of younger Americans. Because the modern day government has sucessfully brain washed them into thinking that bullsheet tastes just like chicken. You could go out to any shopping mall accross America and ask 20 people what they think about the executive orders that Bush has signed and 20 of them wont know what the hell your talking about. But if you asked them what the latest news on Britney Spears is most likely all 20 of them could go on and on for hours.
People like those on this board are very rare and are very much in the minority, sad but true. In my opinion the best way to fight back against the government is for you elders, and youngers in the know, to educate as many people as possible about the modern realities of our present day government. I do what I can with my self-admitted limited knowledge, at church, at the barber shop, with my co-workers, and pretty much anyone that crosses my path. I say extend this here discussion from this message forum out into the real world every chance you get. "They" spread their message for thier desired results, and we should spread ours.
We are approaching rapidly the 'break-over' point, I believe..where those who would fight are getting too old to be an effective fighting force.
HB, agree, to a point. But remember, there have been times in history where a small number faced overwhelming odds, and were highly outnumbered. Don't know if you read the scriptures much, but here is one of my favorites:
And the Philistine arose, and drew nigh to meet David.
And David put his hand in his bag, and drew out a stone, and slung it, and smote the giant in his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth.
I do not fear my government. I TRUST my government to be comprised of self-serving individuals who say they are for the "Betterment of the Country" while they suck at the tit of special Interest groups. I TRUST my Governmental leaders to serve themselves before they serve the people that put them in office. I TRUST my government will do everything it can to stomp out any evidence of individual rights that currently exist. I TRUST that my government will attempt to take away my Right To Bear Arms because it believes that an armed and informed population is dangerous to its special interests.
I could go on, but it's all been said before by smarter people than me.
Nuff said, but a Governemnt that isn't accountable, isn't accountable...
I teach in a Texas School and live in Okla. Every day I have to browbeat my students during the THE Pledge of Allegiance, and Texas Pledge to its flag, to either exercise their right to do it, OR exercise their right to not, and to respect the one who doesn't participate, and to respect the one who does. One whole class admitted to having Vets in the family, and admitted each one that that family member would be ashamed of them for they way they recite the pledge (ie: hands in pockets, turning on a computer, looking at the ceiling). The little meanies have no respect for anything, anyone, except their own wants and needs. Their parents have failed them, their governmnents have failed them. Their schools haven't.....we do a commendable job with all the problems that society stacks against us......The problems we have as educators are the problems of the society/community outside the school. If education is important to their family, and the family has raised them to have respect, they will usually acheive their families expectations. Where we are failing them is in this ludicrous push for everyone to get a cookie cutter college education, and considering all other forms of education that do not end in a degree as worthless and for "dummies". You want to see something pathetic.....watch a kid who is in fact a "dummy" attempt a college prep curriculum, every day beating his head against algebra and trigonometry as an abstract, uncomprehensible art instead of the same subject taught in a shop class where that student learns to use a sine plate on a vertical mill (yes a sine plate requires trig to use). Even better is the "smart" kid who DESPISES the classrooom and learns best with hands on learning.....or who has been told his scores are too high to be in a "shop class". The best is a kid who wants to take a shop class to learn a interesting skill, but is afraid to be in a class with all the buttholes that "had to be put somewhere", or the teacher trying to maintain order in that shop class so that students can learn.....all while the principals blow off disciplining students because it is "only a shop class", and it should be ok for students to refuse assignments, endanger themselves and other students with the machinery, and break costly equipment. You can't get rid of the buttholes criminals that really shouldn't be around decent kids, because your dropout rate will kill your funding with No child left behind. OR you can put them in special ed, so they get their diploma without doing or acheiving ANYTHING.....and when they act criminally, or perverted (such as pulling their johnson out in class, this really happened) you put them on a behavioral intervention plan, which would say, "johny will pull his johnson out less while he is in class). Bush is trying hard to kill the Carl Perkins Vocational money and wants instead to spend it on military equipment. I am retired military...not against military, but against repubicans on education. Special ed has ruined education, but more importantly, it undermines the quality of education for the population it was supposed to serve. I estimate from personal experience that 1 in 20 special ed kids get real education, and the difference is that their families don't let them buy into the whole "your special so it is OK to suck at school". All this instead of asking the question, if they can't be successful at a 4 year college level, what can they be successful at, what is a good match for this kid, everyone is not cut out for college, and we don't need everyone with a college degree anyway. So what is wrong with cleaning out ditches until you can get your journeyman's plumbing license, then becoming a master plumber one day.....??? OR maybe going back to school when you got tired of plumbing once you found the focus to be successful at school?
The politicians have totally screwed up our educational system, tuition is so high, the poor cannot afford college anyway, all while they cut the federal student loans out.....So what kind of job/education should a kid try for, and what kind of quality?
John W. Gardner, the president of the Carnegie Corporation, in an address said this: "The most important moral of all is that excellence is where you find it. I would extend this generalization to cover not just higher education but all education from vocational high school to graduate school. We must learn to honor excellence, indeed to demand it in every socially accepted human activity, however humble that activity, and to scorn shoddiness, however exalted the activity. An excellent plumber is infinitely more admirable than an incompetent philosopher. The society which scorns excellence in plumbing because plumbing is a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because philosophy is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy. Neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water."
well hello agian, been a while since i have really poseted anything of real substance due to my situation. anyways first and foremost i want to thank highball (as i have done before) IT496, nyforester, pickenup, and honestly the whole gunbroker comunity in general for bringing me out of the darkness and into the light about alot of the issues that are corrupting and destroying our country today. I admit i was one of those worthless wretches (im 21) and i did not give a rats @ss about the government or anything of the sort. long story short, I actually became proactive, did some research, joined the Army, and have now become an educated productive citizen in society due to this forum, and some of my friends. i dont know about the other military personel, but if poo hit the fan i would stand next to all of you and fight for what we believe in. Well that was just my .02, but agian thanks to all of you.
quote:Originally posted by Aaron.Combs1
well hello agian, been a while since i have really poseted anything of real substance due to my situation. anyways first and foremost i want to thank highball (as i have done before) IT496, nyforester, pickenup, and honestly the whole gunbroker comunity in general for bringing me out of the darkness and into the light about alot of the issues that are corrupting and destroying our country today. I admit i was one of those worthless wretches (im 21) and i did not give a rats @ss about the government or anything of the sort. long story short, I actually became proactive, did some research, joined the Army, and have now become an educated productive citizen in society due to this forum, and some of my friends. i dont know about the other military personel, but if poo hit the fan i would stand next to all of you and fight for what we believe in. Well that was just my .02, but agian thanks to all of you.
Aaron,
Glad you were curious/challenged enough by some here to do some research and make up your own mind.
It sounds as if you are what my Grandad would call "a good man".
I believe I missed an opportunity to visit with a fine young man.
Aaron was in my area a few months ago.and a series of events conspired to prevent me getting over to his A.O.
Ice storms, ailments, and family duties.
I appreciate your kind words concerning myself, Aaron ..but even far more do I appreciate your courage at your young age to break from the mold and look about you with clear eyes.
At my age, I don't much care what people think of me.but for many years, when I was younger, it bothered me a bit.
Believe me.carrying a message of the Constitution will not be popular in America.and it will get even less so, as the Fascists and Socialists work tirelessly to destroy America.
see the ting that really got me fired up was when i took that oath about 4 years ago. "i do swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America" well i didnt know what that meant exactly, so like i said did some research, and i could not love my country any more than i already do. do i like the government? at times... do i agree with everything that they do? NO!...do i think that things need to be fixed? OF COURSE! however it is not all the governments fault. The American people as a whole have lost sight of what our country was founded on. the Basic Principles that so many fought and died for in the Beautiful years of 1774-1783. it sickens me to even walk down the street and see what has transpired in our country. I see the flag and honestly cry sometimes to know where we have come from, and sadly where we are going. The government for the people, by the people in my opinion has also sadly been forsaken by the people. [:(]
p.s. Highball, i am sure i will be back in your area sooner or later. An Artilleryman never "leaves" Oklahoma for good. [;)] ill buy ya a beer
I am assured by your posts that my message will fall on deaf ears; which gives me confidence that I am preaching the right message. I should preface by stating that I am a very serious gun owner; and that I have more than most of the posters at risk here; and so what I am about to say, I mean it in earnest.
Reading all the cases that have dealt with the Second Amendment, including the decisions of the Supreme Court; and the briefs filed in the pending appeal of District of Columbia v. Heller, it is not difficult to see how the deck is stacked on this issue. What is clear is that the Supreme Court is not going to rule that an individual has an absolute (viz., "natural", "unalienable", "God-given") right to own a gun. That's why the Second Amendment is a loser. And, why you are a loser - indeed, why we're all losers!
More precisely, when you look at the issue in the case (which the Supreme Court framed itself), we are like gamblers at the casino, and almost certain losers. Indeed, the real issue is how much we lose! The worst case scenario is that the Supreme Court rules that the Second Amendment does protect an individual right; but that line owning an automobile or an airplane, it is not a fundamental right; and, consistent with the court's prior ruling in Miller, subject to both state and federal regulation. (Then we will see gun control like never before!) The best case scenario, is that the Supreme Court side-steps the issue by ruling that the Second Amendment does not apply to the District of Columbia that is under the jurisdiction of the Congress, and not a sovereign state. (At least then, we come away from the table without losing our stakes.) When you count heads of those that will decide this issue, the betting odds are that the Second Amendment will not turn up trumps.
I, for one, am not willing to gamble with my rights. I would prefer to have them as they are.
Aaron;
When you come back home, after being over there 'fighting for our freedom'...be assured that you will come back to far less freedom then when you left.
The poster above is actually quite correct.
My only reason for cheering the case is simply because I believe that it will hasten the inevitable end...for I do not believe there will be a favorable ruling from the bench of black-robed vultures...picking at the bones of America.
Aaron, I really enjoyed reading your posts. What a refreshing
thing, to see a young man, who is seeking to learn. Be safe,
and thank you for serving. I'm in Nebraska, and actively
campaigning for Ron Paul. He wants to bring you guys home.
Godbless. Mouse
I wonder what the average age of folks are in these forums, I'm 26 and am very fond of the entire bill of rights and enjoy my second amendment as often as my wife will let me. I honestly believe there is a day of reckoning coming that we havent seen since 1929, and the longer it is delayed the more prepared I can be.... Do your research, not the mainstream crap that it following the crowd blowing sunshine where it neednt be. Instead look for the radically dissenting opinions I believe they will be vindicated this time....
1929? You may be right, crash. Add up the mortgage defaults, bank failures, loss of jobs to China, runaway g'mont spending, and you may need a bushel basket of Reischmar...er...Dollars to buy a loaf of bread.
Maybe overly cautious, but I'd stockpile some silver and gold coins and ammunition.
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HOWEVER - I will conceed that if you are on this message board, you are an outlier in your generation. Most likely fairly removed from the idiots in your peer group.
nice recovery !
Seriously though. There has been several polls taken from time to time. Both of the military and local Police agencies. The basic question was would you, (Police), if ordered to do so, go door to door and take guns from otherwise law abiding citizens. The majority (over 80%)said no. Would you(military), fire upon an American civilian population that refused to give up their guns? Again, the Vast majority said NO. Now I know some are going to start screaming "What about New Orleans?". Ok. Point taken. But your also talking about one the MOST corrupt local Government s in the country. With a totally corupt Police force led by an equally corrupt Police Chief. I mean hey. These guys were either abandoning the city or looting it. They stole high end cars off their lots. Looted Dept Stores in full view of cameras. Not the best example you can come up with of a stellar Police Dept. So I don't except them as the norm. Most rank and file L.E.O's are strong supporters of gun rights. And should the day come that the government tries to use their military to confiscate guns from the population,, remember, most of those guys are guns owners too. And they took an oath to defend that right. And a lot of them drive tanks, and fly jets.
Tarter,,,,,,,,Your post about strating a new church has been tried. In Waco. Didn't work out so well.
Seriously though. There has been several polls taken from time to time. Both of the military and local Police agencies. The basic question was would you, (Police), if ordered to do so, go door to door and take guns from otherwise law abiding citizens. The majority (over 80%)said no. Would you(military), fire upon an American civilian population that refused to give up their guns? Again, the Vast majority said NO. Now I know some are going to start screaming "What about New Orleans?". Ok. Point taken. But your also talking about one the MOST corrupt local Government s in the country. With a totally corupt Police force led by an equally corrupt Police Chief. I mean hey. These guys were either abandoning the city or looting it. They stole high end cars off their lots. Looted Dept Stores in full view of cameras. Not the best example you can come up with of a stellar Police Dept. So I don't except them as the norm. Most rank and file L.E.O's are strong supporters of gun rights. And should the day come that the government tries to use their military to confiscate guns from the population,, remember, most of those guys are guns owners too. And they took an oath to defend that right. And a lot of them drive tanks, and fly jets.
45long
Do you have a link or article you can post here ? I have heard about these polls but never seen one for myself.
Tarter,,,,,,,,Your post about strating a new church has been tried. In Waco. Didn't work out so well.
Seriously though. There has been several polls taken from time to time. Both of the military and local Police agencies. The basic question was would you, (Police), if ordered to do so, go door to door and take guns from otherwise law abiding citizens. The majority (over 80%)said no. Would you(military), fire upon an American civilian population that refused to give up their guns? Again, the Vast majority said NO. Now I know some are going to start screaming "What about New Orleans?". Ok. Point taken. But your also talking about one the MOST corrupt local Government s in the country. With a totally corupt Police force led by an equally corrupt Police Chief. I mean hey. These guys were either abandoning the city or looting it. They stole high end cars off their lots. Looted Dept Stores in full view of cameras. Not the best example you can come up with of a stellar Police Dept. So I don't except them as the norm. Most rank and file L.E.O's are strong supporters of gun rights. And should the day come that the government tries to use their military to confiscate guns from the population,, remember, most of those guys are guns owners too. And they took an oath to defend that right. And a lot of them drive tanks, and fly jets.
Hate to burst your bubble sir.
You are correct about the NOPD, it WAS about decimated for many of the reasons you mentioned and it is and was very corrupt.
However, the confiscations were largely committed by all the out-of-state cops that were sent there to police the city in its "state of emergency". "Hizhoner" the Mayer and "Hizmajesty" the NOPD Chief ordered it, but the foot soldiers were mainly teams of police from other areas of La, or from out of state.
Professional police from many states made up the teams that stole firearms from American Citizens, in direct violation of the US Constitution.
Speaking as a Fed. L.E.O I would not and neither would most of the guys I work with. Thats all I can say to it. As for the military, I don't think that poll was ever made public. I know about it because one of the guys I used to work with was asked that question in a poll presented to the troops during the Clinton years. I think it may be something that comes out from time to time to see what the response is. Maybe someday, if the response is more what they want, then maybe we will have some to worry about.
It is an article about the United Nations going door to door to confiscate our guns.
http://www.socyberty.com/Law/American-Gun-Rights-and-the-United-Nations.61883
People like those on this board are very rare and are very much in the minority, sad but true. In my opinion the best way to fight back against the government is for you elders, and youngers in the know, to educate as many people as possible about the modern realities of our present day government. I do what I can with my self-admitted limited knowledge, at church, at the barber shop, with my co-workers, and pretty much anyone that crosses my path. I say extend this here discussion from this message forum out into the real world every chance you get. "They" spread their message for thier desired results, and we should spread ours.
We are approaching rapidly the 'break-over' point, I believe..where those who would fight are getting too old to be an effective fighting force.
HB, agree, to a point. But remember, there have been times in history where a small number faced overwhelming odds, and were highly outnumbered. Don't know if you read the scriptures much, but here is one of my favorites:
And the Philistine arose, and drew nigh to meet David.
And David put his hand in his bag, and drew out a stone, and slung it, and smote the giant in his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth.
I Samuel 17:48-49
I could go on, but it's all been said before by smarter people than me.
Nuff said, but a Governemnt that isn't accountable, isn't accountable...
The politicians have totally screwed up our educational system, tuition is so high, the poor cannot afford college anyway, all while they cut the federal student loans out.....So what kind of job/education should a kid try for, and what kind of quality?
John W. Gardner, the president of the Carnegie Corporation, in an address said this: "The most important moral of all is that excellence is where you find it. I would extend this generalization to cover not just higher education but all education from vocational high school to graduate school. We must learn to honor excellence, indeed to demand it in every socially accepted human activity, however humble that activity, and to scorn shoddiness, however exalted the activity. An excellent plumber is infinitely more admirable than an incompetent philosopher. The society which scorns excellence in plumbing because plumbing is a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because philosophy is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy. Neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water."
well hello agian, been a while since i have really poseted anything of real substance due to my situation. anyways first and foremost i want to thank highball (as i have done before) IT496, nyforester, pickenup, and honestly the whole gunbroker comunity in general for bringing me out of the darkness and into the light about alot of the issues that are corrupting and destroying our country today. I admit i was one of those worthless wretches (im 21) and i did not give a rats @ss about the government or anything of the sort. long story short, I actually became proactive, did some research, joined the Army, and have now become an educated productive citizen in society due to this forum, and some of my friends. i dont know about the other military personel, but if poo hit the fan i would stand next to all of you and fight for what we believe in. Well that was just my .02, but agian thanks to all of you.
Aaron,
Glad you were curious/challenged enough by some here to do some research and make up your own mind.
It sounds as if you are what my Grandad would call "a good man".
Good to see you posting again.
Nice to see you drop by.
Stay in touch.
Aaron was in my area a few months ago.and a series of events conspired to prevent me getting over to his A.O.
Ice storms, ailments, and family duties.
I appreciate your kind words concerning myself, Aaron ..but even far more do I appreciate your courage at your young age to break from the mold and look about you with clear eyes.
At my age, I don't much care what people think of me.but for many years, when I was younger, it bothered me a bit.
Believe me.carrying a message of the Constitution will not be popular in America.and it will get even less so, as the Fascists and Socialists work tirelessly to destroy America.
p.s. Highball, i am sure i will be back in your area sooner or later. An Artilleryman never "leaves" Oklahoma for good. [;)] ill buy ya a beer
Reading all the cases that have dealt with the Second Amendment, including the decisions of the Supreme Court; and the briefs filed in the pending appeal of District of Columbia v. Heller, it is not difficult to see how the deck is stacked on this issue. What is clear is that the Supreme Court is not going to rule that an individual has an absolute (viz., "natural", "unalienable", "God-given") right to own a gun. That's why the Second Amendment is a loser. And, why you are a loser - indeed, why we're all losers!
More precisely, when you look at the issue in the case (which the Supreme Court framed itself), we are like gamblers at the casino, and almost certain losers. Indeed, the real issue is how much we lose! The worst case scenario is that the Supreme Court rules that the Second Amendment does protect an individual right; but that line owning an automobile or an airplane, it is not a fundamental right; and, consistent with the court's prior ruling in Miller, subject to both state and federal regulation. (Then we will see gun control like never before!) The best case scenario, is that the Supreme Court side-steps the issue by ruling that the Second Amendment does not apply to the District of Columbia that is under the jurisdiction of the Congress, and not a sovereign state. (At least then, we come away from the table without losing our stakes.) When you count heads of those that will decide this issue, the betting odds are that the Second Amendment will not turn up trumps.
I, for one, am not willing to gamble with my rights. I would prefer to have them as they are.
Thank you for your time and attention.
uppon futher consideration my only response is
the 2nd Amendmennt prohibits infringement of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms."
im speechless... anyone else want to take this one?
uppon futher consideration my only response is
the 2nd Amendmennt prohibits infringement of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms."
Aaron, you are correct, regardless of the lawyerly prose and shotgunning of past court cases at the board.[;)]
It does my heart good to see a young man cut through the bull and get right to the heart of and the truth of the matter.[^]
When you come back home, after being over there 'fighting for our freedom'...be assured that you will come back to far less freedom then when you left.
The poster above is actually quite correct.
My only reason for cheering the case is simply because I believe that it will hasten the inevitable end...for I do not believe there will be a favorable ruling from the bench of black-robed vultures...picking at the bones of America.
thing, to see a young man, who is seeking to learn. Be safe,
and thank you for serving. I'm in Nebraska, and actively
campaigning for Ron Paul. He wants to bring you guys home.
Godbless. Mouse
I knew I was worthless...just didn't realize that everyone else knew...guess I should vote for the Hildabeast
HA!!! GOT YA..I do have value..so there
Just the elected butt holes running it , LOL !
Maybe overly cautious, but I'd stockpile some silver and gold coins and ammunition.