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quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
There are numerous places where God gave man
God is an imaginary being, just like Santa and the Easter Bunny, therefore he has given you nothing.
Lose the childish superstitions, maybe then grownups will take you seriously.
Yee hah! [}:)]
Somehow, after almost 8 years of Comparative Theology, I have come to the conclusion that your position is pure hubristic nihlisim.
FWIW, I do not believe in ANY "revealed Religion". I am A Deist, and will be untill Atheisim can answer questions it has, to date, been unable to answer.
God - whatever the Prime Mover may be - did not create Religion, He/She/it created everything else. MAN created Religion as a form of Political Control.
But it is not logically consistant or appropriate to discard the theoretical possibility of a "Supreme Being".
quote:Originally posted by Old Ironsights
quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
There are numerous places where God gave man
God is an imaginary being, just like Santa and the Easter Bunny, therefore he has given you nothing.
Lose the childish superstitions, maybe then grownups will take you seriously.
Yee hah! [}:)]
Somehow, after almost 8 years of Comparative Theology, I have come to the conclusion that your position is pure hubristic nihlisim.
FWIW, I do not believe in ANY "revealed Religion". I am A Deist, and will be untill Atheisim can answer questions it has, to date, been unable to answer.
God - whatever the Prime Mover may be - did not create Religion, He/She/it created everything else. MAN created Religion as a form of Political Control.
But it is not logically consistant or appropriate to discard the theoretical possibility of a "Supreme Being".
"Too many of you here are way too hard line about gun rights."
Well, its a yes or no question so what do you expect? Like a "good" politican who refuses to take a hard position on anything, we keep making gray areas between the answers so we don't have to answer basic questions.
You're either part of the solution or part of the problem. The choice is your's. Havng rights in American permits that individual choice, but the Gubermint works hard daily to take the ability to make those choice for ourselves away from us!
To idealistic for you? Maybe you would like to move to Europe, Canada, England, Russia or someother place where gun rights is less of a topic?
I wonder how much money T2T is losing over there in "Afganistan"... he's obviously dipping into his own Poppy Supply...
CLUE: The Value of an Axiom is not dependent on the Speaker or Originator, but on the Truth which underlies it... somthing you are obviously willing to ignore.
To wit:
"We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." - G. Orwell
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Albert Camus
"Potentially, a government is the most dangerous threat to man's rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against "legally" disarmed victims. When unlimited and unrestricted by individual rights, a government is man's deadliest enemy. It is not as protection against PRIVATE actions, but against governmental actions that the Bill of Rights was written. " --Ayn Rand "Man's Rights", April, 1963.
What America demands in her black champions is a brilliant, powerful body and a dull, bestial mind. Eldridge Cleaver (See, Thomas Sowell, Bill Cosby, Ward Connerly... and every Gangsta "athlete" on TV.
How about growing up and being intellectually honest Tap?
quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
What America demands in her black champions is a brilliant, powerful body and a dull, bestial mind.
You're talking about Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, and Condoleeza Rice...right?
Again, you attribute to me things I have not said. But the truth of my posted Eldridge Cleaver quote is demonsterable exactly in your childish utter dismissal and disdain of those highly placed persons with whom you disagree.
They are, policies aside, far more worthy of praise than 99% of the "Athletes", and Rap "stars" (what Eldridge calls "America's Black champions") held up as exemplars of Black America.
quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
Again, you attribute to me things I have not said.
You post it as fact, you own it.
Um... You obviously have a very different definition of "fact" than most people.
I posted a Quote.
In that that quote is an exemplar of the idea that there are Truths that can and have been stated by people we may otherwise find little political agreement, that axiom is, definitionally, a fact, but otherwise your illogic escapes me.
quote:Originally posted by slumlord44
Talk is cheap. I spend a little of my cash to help the cause. Many of the so called hardliners do nothing but blow a lot of hot air.
If I was at the Boston Tea Party... i'd keep my mouth shut about it. You probly wouldn't believe me anyway.
besides at this point talk can accomplish a lot since a major problem is education.
quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
Bin Laden is black?
That's right... our own domestic homegrown terrorist running for president is black. He is going by the name Barack Obama, but I figure they are one in the same...he and the Not domestic terrorist, Osama bin Laden. Different heritage, same goal.
I couldnt agree with you more. I don't care what argument they make about the 2nd amendment or what it specifically says, they do not get it. They are harming their own cause every time they come out screaming. Their refusal to compromise will be all of our downfall. They often think that when an anti gun law is passed that ALL the citizens are angry about it. Little do they know that many, I mean a large amount are happy. The "hard line" approach will never work. I mean NEVER! Accept it! Because the majority of Americans are moderate type voters and will label the "hard liners" as "right wing wackos", blowing them off and giving them no credibility. I don't think they realize the large percentage of Americans who laugh at them. I hear it all the time from people everywhere. In fact, they use these types of people to make the argument for more anti gun laws, and in many cases won because of it. They label them as "militants" and "anarchists". I don't necessarily agree with that, but its besides the point. I have gathered from talking to people on here that many really don't have any kind of perspective anymore. They immerse themselves in the gun culture and only hang out with or talk to people who agree with them, thus losing touch with the big picture.
I also agree with your opinion of the NRA. When the NRA weakens to the point where its no longer effective, you can kiss the 2nd amendment good by. Whether you like it or not, the NRA has been the most effective political organization we have seen when it comes to the 2nd amendment. And any of the compromises (and I mean small ones) they have made has only helped because it brought in a lot more people to support the cause, a lot more moderate people. I would guess the hard liners really only count for 10% or less of all gun owners (my best guess). Many gun owners are people who only own one gun they keep in the house for self defense or someone who enjoys hunting.
Hearing these people scream and yell is almost funny, because thats all it is. Most organizations will not let these guys on board and they dont want to be on board. Its a fact of life. I have read the predictable responses from people on here who let everything you said blow right over their heads. You will be called a "sell out" and an "idiot". Meanwhile, the rights they are screaming about will slip between their fingers.
Tha fact is, I don't know of any pro gun origination that has been what we might call "hard line" that has had any sucess in Washington or at any state level. If there is, please correct me. All that really happens is, the hard liners refuse to give money to the present day pro gun originations or take part in any way and really do not help out at all. They either just scream and yell about it on a website like this, or in some cases break the gun control laws that are already in place, giving the anti gun people more ammo to use in Washington. They don't realize that if you chip away at it, bit by bit, you will have much less gun control laws in the end. Nope! they want it all now and if you don't support that you are a sell out. Unfortunately, thats living in a bubble.
quote:Originally posted by Stylishxone767
I couldnt agree with you more. I don't care what argument they make about the 2nd amendment or what it specifically says, they do not get it. They are harming their own cause every time they come out screaming. Their refusal to compromise will be all of our downfall. They often think that when an anti gun law is passed that ALL the citizens are angry about it. Little do they know that many, I mean a large amount are happy. The "hard line" approach will never work. I mean NEVER! Accept it! Because the majority of Americans are moderate type voters and will label the "hard liners" as "right wing wackos", blowing them off and giving them no credibility. I don't think they realize the large percentage of Americans who laugh at them. I hear it all the time from people everywhere. In fact, they use these types of people to make the argument for more anti gun laws, and in many cases won because of it. They label them as "militants" and "anarchists". I don't necessarily agree with that, but its besides the point. I have gathered from talking to people on here that many really don't have any kind of perspective anymore. They immerse themselves in the gun culture and only hang out with or talk to people who agree with them, thus losing touch with the big picture.
I also agree with your opinion of the NRA. When the NRA weakens to the point where its no longer effective, you can kiss the 2nd amendment good by. Whether you like it or not, the NRA has been the most effective political organization we have seen when it comes to the 2nd amendment. And any of the compromises (and I mean small ones) they have made has only helped because it brought in a lot more people to support the cause, a lot more moderate people. I would guess the hard liners really only count for 10% or less of all gun owners (my best guess). Many gun owners are people who only own one gun they keep in the house for self defense or someone who enjoys hunting.
Hearing these people scream and yell is almost funny, because thats all it is. Most organizations will not let these guys on board and they dont want to be on board. Its a fact of life. I have read the predictable responses from people on here who let everything you said blow right over their heads. You will be called a "sell out" and an "idiot". Meanwhile, the rights they are screaming about will slip between their fingers.
Tha fact is, I don't know of any pro gun origination that has been what we might call "hard line" that has had any sucess in Washington or at any state level. If there is, please correct me. All that really happens is, the hard liners refuse to give money to the present day pro gun originations or take part in any way and really do not help out at all. They either just scream and yell about it on a website like this, or in some cases break the gun control laws that are already in place, giving the anti gun people more ammo to use in Washington. They don't realize that if you chip away at it, bit by bit, you will have much less gun control laws in the end. Nope! they want it all now and if you don't support that you are a sell out. Unfortunately, thats living in a bubble.
LMAO @ the silliness of this WHOLE post.
The founders were "militant wako's" too. You sir, have fallen lock step with the socialist agenda.
You too are fooled into thinking that every "comprimise" is saving your rights. How laughable.
You aren't saving ANYTHING. What you are ACTUALLY doing is giving away OUR rights, bit by bit, saving the REAL fight for REAL men.
Opinions like yours aren't worth thier weight in horse hockey.
Comments
There are numerous places where God gave man
God is an imaginary being, just like Santa and the Easter Bunny, therefore he has given you nothing.
Lose the childish superstitions, maybe then grownups will take you seriously.
Yee hah! [}:)]
Somehow, after almost 8 years of Comparative Theology, I have come to the conclusion that your position is pure hubristic nihlisim.
FWIW, I do not believe in ANY "revealed Religion". I am A Deist, and will be untill Atheisim can answer questions it has, to date, been unable to answer.
God - whatever the Prime Mover may be - did not create Religion, He/She/it created everything else. MAN created Religion as a form of Political Control.
But it is not logically consistant or appropriate to discard the theoretical possibility of a "Supreme Being".
Religion is Politics. God Is.
HB,
you may be on to something there, however, I believe our friend 3x223tap only is into worshipping himself.
Sorta inflames them.
heh, heh, heh. Pun intended?[:D]
Now THAT is funny snit.[:D][:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
There are numerous places where God gave man
God is an imaginary being, just like Santa and the Easter Bunny, therefore he has given you nothing.
Lose the childish superstitions, maybe then grownups will take you seriously.
Yee hah! [}:)]
Somehow, after almost 8 years of Comparative Theology, I have come to the conclusion that your position is pure hubristic nihlisim.
FWIW, I do not believe in ANY "revealed Religion". I am A Deist, and will be untill Atheisim can answer questions it has, to date, been unable to answer.
God - whatever the Prime Mover may be - did not create Religion, He/She/it created everything else. MAN created Religion as a form of Political Control.
But it is not logically consistant or appropriate to discard the theoretical possibility of a "Supreme Being".
Religion is Politics. God Is.
+1
Well, its a yes or no question so what do you expect? Like a "good" politican who refuses to take a hard position on anything, we keep making gray areas between the answers so we don't have to answer basic questions.
You're either part of the solution or part of the problem. The choice is your's. Havng rights in American permits that individual choice, but the Gubermint works hard daily to take the ability to make those choice for ourselves away from us!
To idealistic for you? Maybe you would like to move to Europe, Canada, England, Russia or someother place where gun rights is less of a topic?
You're quoting Eldridge Cleaver? LMAO!
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/e/eldridge_cleaver.html
CLUE: The Value of an Axiom is not dependent on the Speaker or Originator, but on the Truth which underlies it... somthing you are obviously willing to ignore.
To wit:
"We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." - G. Orwell
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Albert Camus
"Potentially, a government is the most dangerous threat to man's rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against "legally" disarmed victims. When unlimited and unrestricted by individual rights, a government is man's deadliest enemy. It is not as protection against PRIVATE actions, but against governmental actions that the Bill of Rights was written. " --Ayn Rand "Man's Rights", April, 1963.
What America demands in her black champions is a brilliant, powerful body and a dull, bestial mind. Eldridge Cleaver (See, Thomas Sowell, Bill Cosby, Ward Connerly... and every Gangsta "athlete" on TV.
How about growing up and being intellectually honest Tap?
You're talking about Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, and Condoleeza Rice...right?
What America demands in her black champions is a brilliant, powerful body and a dull, bestial mind.
You're talking about Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, and Condoleeza Rice...right?
Nope. Try Obama bin Laden, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
Well, I don't demand anything from them that I don't from anyone else, but that's just me.
What America demands in her black champions is a brilliant, powerful body and a dull, bestial mind.
You're talking about Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, and Condoleeza Rice...right?
Again, you attribute to me things I have not said. But the truth of my posted Eldridge Cleaver quote is demonsterable exactly in your childish utter dismissal and disdain of those highly placed persons with whom you disagree.
They are, policies aside, far more worthy of praise than 99% of the "Athletes", and Rap "stars" (what Eldridge calls "America's Black champions") held up as exemplars of Black America.
You post it as fact, you own it.
Again, you attribute to me things I have not said.
You post it as fact, you own it.
Um... You obviously have a very different definition of "fact" than most people.
I posted a Quote.
In that that quote is an exemplar of the idea that there are Truths that can and have been stated by people we may otherwise find little political agreement, that axiom is, definitionally, a fact, but otherwise your illogic escapes me.
Talk is cheap. I spend a little of my cash to help the cause. Many of the so called hardliners do nothing but blow a lot of hot air.
If I was at the Boston Tea Party... i'd keep my mouth shut about it. You probly wouldn't believe me anyway.
besides at this point talk can accomplish a lot since a major problem is education.
Bin Laden is black?
That's right... our own domestic homegrown terrorist running for president is black. He is going by the name Barack Obama, but I figure they are one in the same...he and the Not domestic terrorist, Osama bin Laden. Different heritage, same goal.
There is nothing in the "Middle of the Road" except yellow lines and dead Armadillos.
I also agree with your opinion of the NRA. When the NRA weakens to the point where its no longer effective, you can kiss the 2nd amendment good by. Whether you like it or not, the NRA has been the most effective political organization we have seen when it comes to the 2nd amendment. And any of the compromises (and I mean small ones) they have made has only helped because it brought in a lot more people to support the cause, a lot more moderate people. I would guess the hard liners really only count for 10% or less of all gun owners (my best guess). Many gun owners are people who only own one gun they keep in the house for self defense or someone who enjoys hunting.
Hearing these people scream and yell is almost funny, because thats all it is. Most organizations will not let these guys on board and they dont want to be on board. Its a fact of life. I have read the predictable responses from people on here who let everything you said blow right over their heads. You will be called a "sell out" and an "idiot". Meanwhile, the rights they are screaming about will slip between their fingers.
Tha fact is, I don't know of any pro gun origination that has been what we might call "hard line" that has had any sucess in Washington or at any state level. If there is, please correct me. All that really happens is, the hard liners refuse to give money to the present day pro gun originations or take part in any way and really do not help out at all. They either just scream and yell about it on a website like this, or in some cases break the gun control laws that are already in place, giving the anti gun people more ammo to use in Washington. They don't realize that if you chip away at it, bit by bit, you will have much less gun control laws in the end. Nope! they want it all now and if you don't support that you are a sell out. Unfortunately, thats living in a bubble.
I couldnt agree with you more. I don't care what argument they make about the 2nd amendment or what it specifically says, they do not get it. They are harming their own cause every time they come out screaming. Their refusal to compromise will be all of our downfall. They often think that when an anti gun law is passed that ALL the citizens are angry about it. Little do they know that many, I mean a large amount are happy. The "hard line" approach will never work. I mean NEVER! Accept it! Because the majority of Americans are moderate type voters and will label the "hard liners" as "right wing wackos", blowing them off and giving them no credibility. I don't think they realize the large percentage of Americans who laugh at them. I hear it all the time from people everywhere. In fact, they use these types of people to make the argument for more anti gun laws, and in many cases won because of it. They label them as "militants" and "anarchists". I don't necessarily agree with that, but its besides the point. I have gathered from talking to people on here that many really don't have any kind of perspective anymore. They immerse themselves in the gun culture and only hang out with or talk to people who agree with them, thus losing touch with the big picture.
I also agree with your opinion of the NRA. When the NRA weakens to the point where its no longer effective, you can kiss the 2nd amendment good by. Whether you like it or not, the NRA has been the most effective political organization we have seen when it comes to the 2nd amendment. And any of the compromises (and I mean small ones) they have made has only helped because it brought in a lot more people to support the cause, a lot more moderate people. I would guess the hard liners really only count for 10% or less of all gun owners (my best guess). Many gun owners are people who only own one gun they keep in the house for self defense or someone who enjoys hunting.
Hearing these people scream and yell is almost funny, because thats all it is. Most organizations will not let these guys on board and they dont want to be on board. Its a fact of life. I have read the predictable responses from people on here who let everything you said blow right over their heads. You will be called a "sell out" and an "idiot". Meanwhile, the rights they are screaming about will slip between their fingers.
Tha fact is, I don't know of any pro gun origination that has been what we might call "hard line" that has had any sucess in Washington or at any state level. If there is, please correct me. All that really happens is, the hard liners refuse to give money to the present day pro gun originations or take part in any way and really do not help out at all. They either just scream and yell about it on a website like this, or in some cases break the gun control laws that are already in place, giving the anti gun people more ammo to use in Washington. They don't realize that if you chip away at it, bit by bit, you will have much less gun control laws in the end. Nope! they want it all now and if you don't support that you are a sell out. Unfortunately, thats living in a bubble.
LMAO @ the silliness of this WHOLE post.
The founders were "militant wako's" too. You sir, have fallen lock step with the socialist agenda.
You too are fooled into thinking that every "comprimise" is saving your rights. How laughable.
You aren't saving ANYTHING. What you are ACTUALLY doing is giving away OUR rights, bit by bit, saving the REAL fight for REAL men.
Opinions like yours aren't worth thier weight in horse hockey.