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California Shipping Approval Letter??
shootaskb
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How about some comment on this new (July 08') regulation for California. How many permits, how many different laws can we tolerate? I think I will add "NO shipments to California" to all Gunbroker ads. If all FFL's did that, you'd just move out of CA. if you want a gun. Who would want to live with Gay Marriages and Gun Bans in your state anyway?
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STAND AND FIGHT MI AMIGOS! VIVA LIBERTY!!!
Actually ..I am delighted over this new law.just as I am each time another new law is enacted.
I prefer the noose to be tightened around the neck of every person in this country ..ratcheting ever closer to strangulation.or freedom.
The day will come when the remnant people of America.the descendents of those mighty men, the Founders ..will have to make the final decision.
That decision will be simple.
Submit ..as a slave forever;
Or emulate the Founders.
We are facing this on a national level this cycle.nothing but garbage running. The one man that actually stands for something was soundly rejected by the people that live in this country.
So be it. They bought and paid for their stupidity.just as the people of California are today.
We are facing this on a national level this cycle.nothing but garbage running. The one man that actually stands for something was soundly rejected by the people that live in this country.
So be it.They bought and paid for their stupidity.just as the people of California are today.
It is a tyrant they asked for; it is a tyrant they shall have.[:(!]
In the "PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CALIFORNIA" policy will be made by the select and accepted by the weak. Are there no AMERICANS left in CA? "THOSE WHO WOULD TRADE SECURITY FOR LIBERTY DESERVE NEITHER". We are at a crossroad in this country; a increasingly smaller group controls a larger share of the wealth and power. Will we all become "THE RULED" or will we be brave and remain "THE FREE".
STAND AND FIGHT MI AMIGOS! VIVA LIBERTY!!!
I WILL REMAIN FREE and WILL FIGHT TO REMAIN THAT WAY. I'm NOT afraid of Dying and NOT afraid of of DEATH Itself. My Children's future is Paramount and I'll do ANYTHING to Preserve our FREEDOMS for US and Future Generations!!!
Do you believe anyone that would like to buy a gun from you in CA had anything to do with this latest piece of crap law? Why is it that you generalize and allow the gungrabbers to win. There are hundreds of thousands of gun owners in our state that just want to be treated equal. CA is the most populous state in the union with an economy larger than 7/8ths of th countries of the world. There is no way we are going to get the majority of votes for our cause, too many democrats and gun haters. The only chance we have is to go after the laws based on constitutionality and common sense. All I ask is that you stand besides us and not above us. If you refuse to sell us guns because of the new law then they have already won. It only takes a few minutes for an FFL to get the freakin letter from our extortionists, private individuals are exempt from any of this madness. Remember you are only helping or hurting one of us.
Ivan.
That being said ..ask yourself a couple questions.
Did you contribute to this latest law by supporting ANY Federal or State gun laws ?
Do you support the Second Amendment in its original form ..or the New American form ?
You brought this on yourself ..if you support gun laws of any stripe.
`Fight on' your political fight.
I tell you, tho ..the die is cast.
There comes a time when the stony face of decision is all that is left to be turned to the authorities . the decision to resist.
I welcome every new gun law ..sad as it may seem to you.
For you see.I HAVE BEEN TERRIBLY UPSET SINCE 1968...a time when most of you started crawling on your bellies completely happy to be begging daddy for a gun.
I want the REST of you to be `terrible upset' .. instead of merely shuffling chairs around on the deck of the sinking Titanic.
I believe that in the vanguard of any political reformation, there will have to be people that will die on their doorstep...victims of the Beast.
People that refuse to obey one more law...one more edict from vultures in robes or parasites at city hall.
I do not intend to spend more of MY coin, my time, my talent, or my dignity wading in a cesspool with politicians.I have been there and done that.
Personal decision, you see.but MY decision nonetheless.
No.I will peacefully wait for the Beast to make a mistake.
That mistake being to make people like you mad. Not just `upset'.but FIGHTING mad.
Then.and ONLY then.will we have a chance.
The fact that you are getting hurt is regrettable ..but kindly remember that it was not I that hurt you.
Remember that it is gun owning anti-gunners that have desperately hurt you .. and our cause.
Please reserve your fury for those that DID hurt you...the politicians and IDIOTS that voted them in.
As mentioned previously...I have been hurt since 1968. That is how long I have waited for a resurgence of manhood here in America.
I have not seen it yet ..except for a scattering here and there across the land. We are truly blessed to have a few...a VERY few .. right here on Gunbroker, Gun Rights forum.
I grew tired of constantly battling the evil masses of socialists and I grew weary of trying to rally the few bewildered and confused allies that I found.
As Highball has alluded to, I found many of my fellow Californian gun-owners to be complicit in the Liberals' big gun grab. There were the country club gun owners, who thought it was okay for people to own a gun, just as long as it was only them and their elitist groupies. After all, who needs any more guns than a $2,000 shotgun to hunt ducks with, right?
Then there were the gun-owners that thought it was okay to own guns... but only certain "safe" types of guns, like revolvers and maybe a few select semi-autos (which the California DOJ quickly obliged by instituting their handgun "list").
"Why would anybody ever NEED to own an AK or AR?" is what I would often hear from my fellow California gun owners. They would say, "We are ALLOWED to own all the guns we need"... the meaningless words of a beat down populace whom a totalitarian regime has punished into submission. Gun ownership has been relegated to a privilege in California.
I saw them all becoming good little Germans. I decided not to ever allow myself to become one, so I left for the REAL America.
Unless you spend every waking moment fighting the Beast, then you ARE, in some way, FEEDING THE BEAST! By merely gracing California with your presence, you are complying with and promoting every insane gun restriction by your mere complacency.
Unless you spend every waking moment fighting the Beast, then you ARE, in some way, FEEDING THE BEAST! By merely gracing California with your presence, you are complying with and promoting every insane gun restriction by your mere complacency.
As a matter of fact I do fight them EVERY day. Come on over to calguns.net and see if you find one elitist gun owner. All you will find there is a group of men and women that fight and make a difference everyday. Someday we will be on equal footing if we are successful in our endeavors.
I thought "United We Stand" applied to us all... I will support you when your liberals go on the attack. Kindly do the same.
I disappointed in the "will not ship to California" stance. Think about it gentlemen. Aren't you denying California residents the same rights others have? C&R license holders are not required to get the permission to ship to California yet some of you refuse to ship to California.
I thought "United We Stand" applied to us all... I will support you when your liberals go on the attack. Kindly do the same.
Sorry.
Some of us are tired of supporting people who can't ever seem to fix anything that is wrong with their state. If WE choose not to deal with the BS or sell to people who like living neck deep in BS, that is OUR choice.
How many times should a person throw a liferaft to a person whom continues to jump overboard? I say my arm is tired. Either tread water or drown. Time to save yourselves.
I am quite tired of doing things for people, because they are too lazy to fix things themselves.
Some of us are tired of supporting people who can't ever seem to fix anything that is wrong with their state. If WE choose not to deal with the BS or sell to people who like living neck deep in BS, that is OUR choice.
How many times should a person throw a liferaft to a person whom continues to jump overboard? I say my arm is tired. Either tread water or drown. Time to save yourselves.
I am quite tired of doing things for people, because they are too lazy to fix things themselves.
I am sorry you feel that way. We will be here to help you when they come for yours, guaranteed.
We are stronger when we fight together thats for sure. Grouping all Californians together is like saying all gun owners are killers because one gun owner committed that crime once. all we ask is you don't throw those that are trying to fight the system under the bus. Have you checked out the website I asked you to? Have you looked at the strides we have made? Have you seen where we have the BOF in CA on their heels especially post Heller? Look past your own nose before you call us lazy again. I have invested too much to swallow that pill.
quote:Sorry.
Some of us are tired of supporting people who can't ever seem to fix anything that is wrong with their state. If WE choose not to deal with the BS or sell to people who like living neck deep in BS, that is OUR choice.
How many times should a person throw a liferaft to a person whom continues to jump overboard? I say my arm is tired. Either tread water or drown. Time to save yourselves.
I am quite tired of doing things for people, because they are too lazy to fix things themselves.
I am sorry you feel that way. We will be here to help you when they come for yours, guaranteed.
We are stronger when we fight together thats for sure. Grouping all Californians together is like saying all gun owners are killers because one gun owner committed that crime once. all we ask is you don't throw those that are trying to fight the system under the bus. Have you checked out the website I asked you to? Have you looked at the strides we have made? Have you seen where we have the BOF in CA on their heels especially post Heller? Look past your own nose before you call us lazy again. I have invested too much to swallow that pill.
Bitter pill isn't it? The pill of defeat.
I don't really give a rip what PRK is PLANNING on doing, or what they are TRYING to do. The fact of the matter is, your NOT getting results. PRK is slipping in a hole, it will NEVER get out of, short of armed resistance.
Fact of the matter is, people from your state ACCEPT what has happened (and what will surely CONTINUE to happen), and when you come here "don't forsake us", we know full well, you folks blow smoke.
That is not to say, people there DON'T belive in freedom. It is to say, people there ACCEPT living in bondage.
I, like Highball, am sick of "sugar coating" responses. People don't get "it" and no matter how nice I can be, it won't change peoples ignorace about things. The BS talk spewed by some, angers me, and I give an appropriate response IMO. [:(!]
quote:Do you support state/federal controls on firearms ?
This is directed at all that feel that obeying yet another law is a good thing...and demanding that I, too, obey their bitter defeat.
So we are supposed to bow to YOUR 'reality' ? Determined in your own mind ?
Now..to address the "all Cafornians" statement...I am sure that ALL californians are not 'weak.'
I am sure that there is the normal 3% of men left in that state that is still willing to uphold the Constitution when it is time...
You damn sure can bet that NONE that support federal gun laws will be among that 3 %....
The same 3%, by the way, that fought the War for Independence.
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Unless you spend every waking moment fighting the Beast, then you ARE, in some way, FEEDING THE BEAST! By merely gracing California with your presence, you are complying with and promoting every insane gun restriction by your mere complacency.
As a matter of fact I do fight them EVERY day. Come on over to calguns.net and see if you find one elitist gun owner. All you will find there is a group of men and women that fight and make a difference everyday. Someday we will be on equal footing if we are successful in our endeavors.
I frequented that forum for some time, while living in CA. And found not one but a ton of "elitist" gun owners or at least those who submit, as a matter of fact, the majority. Known on that moved to CO and while making an ad to sell a firearm face to face in CO that person said he wouldn't sell to anyone but people possessing a CO CCP or those of LE. If that's your idea of "fighting" then... well you have what you have there. If you can find ONE person who wouldn't compromise over there, maybe then there's something to discuss about supporting the cause in said state. I am yet to run into one.
Thank you.
Always refreshing to hear the other side of the story.
Just ONE REASON I hammer on that question I always ask .. and that reason is...I have absolutely no sympathy for those that support gun laws...then start whining when more laws are piled on top of other laws.
Those people get EXACTLY what they deserve .. MORE GUN LAWS !!
The ONLY thing that pisses me off is...those idiots drag ME...and other individuals .. into the cesspool with them.
One question will separate the mentally challenged from those sane and balanced individuals that form the core of America;
DO YOU SUPPORT STATE/FEDERAL GUN LAWS ?!!.
One question though, as I support ONE gun law -- the 2nd, does that count as being pro-gun control?
Only in the mind of a TrFox type.
Those types .. desperately seeking to drag others into the pit of hell in which they are standing...are able somehow to equate a dealer refusing to sell a weapon to a 9-year old child as somehow being a `gun law'.
Thereby revealing the stark difference between reality and some alternate world where government are to be trusted and revered.
Personal responsibility, in other words, suddenly morphing into overriding governmental control on EVERYBODY...
All I have EVER asked of the Trfoxes of the world is to read and understand the REASON behind the Second Amendment..CONTROL OF TYRANNY..and understand that reason is REPUGNANT to ANY governmental controls on weapons.
It appears our California residents ALSO do not understand that oh-so-terribly complex equation .. and also why, as in the last poster, they refuse to participate in forums like this.
All I and others ask is for support of the Second Amendment .. as you support it.
That appears to be too much to ask...as others ask us to please crawl even LOWER to the ground to beg permission to own a gun .. as THEY feel comfortable to do.
Highball, are you SURE you didn't have an affair with my mom 34 1/2 years ago? [;)]
[:D][:D][:D]Would that make you "Highmind", or "Freeball" if this lineage can be confirmed?[:o)]
Either way, a good mixture, I think.
I guess we are all disposable have a nice life up there on your high horse. There will come a day when you need our help and we will be there for you. I wont waste anymore bandwidth here trying to tell you that we are fighting back and winning. We could use support but it is not imperative to our cause. I just remembered why I left here in the first place.
Instead of getting defensive a wise man would have thought about what you're being told but instead you got discussions in the following manner:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=111435
The point is that you people are not fighting in any way, but rather adopting and complying, aka bending over, hence the reaction to ya'll.
Here's the "2nd Amend. Politics and Laws" forum:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?s=b0af80578b47f2221b82d499e895d177&f=71
I don't see anything but bleeing.
But oh well, I am pretty sure the country will do just fine without your help, most of those whose help would have been welcomed have left PRK a while ago already.
I guess we are all disposable have a nice life up there on your high horse. There will come a day when you need our help and we will be there for you. I wont waste anymore bandwidth here trying to tell you that we are fighting back and winning. We could use support but it is not imperative to our cause. I just remembered why I left here in the first place.
Don't waste your breath on these armchair quarterbacks. Everytime there is a California forum these same clowns chime in about what they would do if it were them. You and I live it and fight it and they just talk. Its funny, for a group that hates California so much they sure like to talk about it. You want to call us all whiners, come stand in front of me and say it. quote:Originally posted by ivanimal
I guess we are all disposable have a nice life up there on your high horse. There will come a day when you need our help and we will be there for you. I wont waste anymore bandwidth here trying to tell you that we are fighting back and winning. We could use support but it is not imperative to our cause. I just remembered why I left here in the first place.
What? you gonna pay for my plane ticket to do it? You wanna pay for it, I will stand in front of you and call you a WHINER. WHAT exactly, are you doing to remove gun laws? How many have you gotton OFF the books?
PRK is just that, the peoples republic. You get what you all choose.
Just because you folks are OK with bowing to your masters, don't blame us for pointing it out. You don't like the chains of bondage, fix it then. Stop running off at the head about what you all are TRYING to do, just get something done allready.
Well, son..I used to have an eye for beautiful women....[:D][:0]
Bluntly put..I was afraid to have children. Knew what this world was turning into...and I would have been obliged to drown any spawn of mine that turned out like John Q. Public.
Wouls have been proud to have had an independent, thinking human being child along the lines of several young bucks on here.
quote:Highball, are you SURE you didn't have an affair with my mom 34 1/2 years ago?
Well, son..I used to have an eye for beautiful women....[:D][:0]
Bluntly put..I was afraid to have children. Knew what this world was turning into...and I would have been obliged to drown any spawn of mine that turned out like John Q. Public.
Wouls have been proud to have had an independent, thinking human being child along the lines of several young bucks on here.
Just joshing ya friend.
IF I were your offspring, you WOULD have drown me. I was raised a liberal, but luckily, I shed that evil fleece.
Certainly. Only the other side feel that we are humorless crack pots.
Congratulations on shedding the nasty dead skin of liberalism. That is even more impressive.
Sales to California C&R holders are exempt from the new reporting or permiting law that came into effect on July 1 in CA requiring a special permit or number for an 01 FFL to ship to CA. .
An 01 FFL can sell a C&R long gun to a C&R FFL holder in CA without complying with the provisions of the new law. A C&R FFL holder inside or outside of CA can sell a C&R long gun to a C&R FFL holder in CA without complying with the new law.
A private person can sell a C&R long gun to a C&R FFL holder in CA without complying with the new law.
Here is a cut and paste of a personal email sent to me from a CA DOJ agent after I requested a clrification of the C&R exemptions listed in the new law:
Larry:
As follow-up to our conversation regarding shipping approval number exemptions for shippers sending C&R longguns to California Type 03 C&R licensed collectors, I provide the following from our Departments posted FAQ's on this new subject:
#4 Are any California FFLs exempt from the CFLC verification approval requirement?
Yes. The CFLC program does not apply to FFLs with Type 03 (curio and relic collectors) and Type 06 (ammunition dealers) licenses.
As you see, your ability to receive C&R longguns directly is not affected by California's new shipping requirement. Out of state FFL's or non-licensed individuals shipping to you in California are exempted from having to retain an approval prior to shipment.
Hope this clears up any questions regarding your activities as a Type 03 C&R licensee in California.
Sincerely,
Mr. Dana McKinnon
Field Representative
Bureau of Firearms
(916) 263-4881
If you want to be forwarded an original copy of the email for verification please drop me a line and I forward it to you.
This business of 01 FFL's not selling to CA C&R FFL's has got to stop!! You are only hurting your fellow gun owners and collectors for no logical reason since the law does not apply to C&R sales of long guns to CA C&R holders whatsoever.
Thanks,
Larry Priest
What the new California law means to California C&R FFL holders.
Sales to California C&R holders are exempt from the new reporting or permiting law that came into effect on July 1 in CA requiring a special permit or number for an 01 FFL to ship to CA. .
An 01 FFL can sell a C&R long gun to a C&R FFL holder in CA without complying with the provisions of the new law. A C&R FFL holder inside or outside of CA can sell a C&R long gun to a C&R FFL holder in CA without complying with the new law.
A private person can sell a C&R long gun to a C&R FFL holder in CA without complying with the new law.
Here is a cut and paste of a personal email sent to me from a CA DOJ agent after I requested a clrification of the C&R exemptions listed in the new law:
Larry:
As follow-up to our conversation regarding shipping approval number exemptions for shippers sending C&R longguns to California Type 03 C&R licensed collectors, I provide the following from our Departments posted FAQ's on this new subject:
#4 Are any California FFLs exempt from the CFLC verification approval requirement?
Yes. The CFLC program does not apply to FFLs with Type 03 (curio and relic collectors) and Type 06 (ammunition dealers) licenses.
As you see, your ability to receive C&R longguns directly is not affected by California's new shipping requirement. Out of state FFL's or non-licensed individuals shipping to you in California are exempted from having to retain an approval prior to shipment.
Hope this clears up any questions regarding your activities as a Type 03 C&R licensee in California.
Sincerely,
Mr. Dana McKinnon
Field Representative
Bureau of Firearms
(916) 263-4881
If you want to be forwarded an original copy of the email for verification please drop me a line and I forward it to you.
This business of 01 FFL's not selling to CA C&R FFL's has got to stop!! You are only hurting your fellow gun owners and collectors for no logical reason since the law does not apply to C&R sales of long guns to CA C&R holders whatsoever.
Thanks,
Larry Priest
IF PRK gunowners are SO HURT, they better get the laws changed then.
IF I as a business owner, CHOOSE not to do business in a certain state, because I am SICK AND TIRED of jumping through hoops, I would fully understand they loss I would bring myself financially.
NO business owner should HAVE to do anything they don't feel comfortable doing. Witness NYC bloomberg ([xx(] ), I can just see some city mayor getting a hard on to prosecute FFL's.
Intelligent people understand that 'Rights' have been taken away with the help of garbage like YOU.
quote:You never fought for anything. Chances are that you all are too fat, out of shape or whimpy to fight anyway.
'YA THINK ??? Come and get 'em, S.o.S.
quote: Yet it doesn't stop you from badmouthing other gun owners who are trying to fight the gun grabbers. Support federal/state gun laws...ANY OF THEM ...S.o S. ?? DO YOU ? If you do...stick your head back into your * and listen to that Loud blowing sound you will hear.
quote:It is this small minded sort of ignorance you all possess that liberal politicians rely on to further their agenda.
S.o.S..you are calling the Founders this...for all we are doing is reflecting the words of those men. You...S.o.S....wouldn't understand those words.
quote:Where were you and what did you do about the gun bans imposed by the Klinton admin? You were probably here busy typing away congratulating your hyena buddys for running from California or trying to BS everyone about how tough you are. What a laugh!
Buying guns and ammo...S.o.S....what were YOU doing ?
Glad to see you drop by, Sack of Snit..been awhile.
quote:Originally posted by t the rogue
Thought I would visit the forums once again to see what was being said about the Second ammendment decision and what do I find? The same bunch of nutbag, ignorant, "need a life" cyber hyenas flappin their jaws again about California gun owners. You guys crack me up. You sit there living off the rights that were handed to you by others who fought for them over 200 years ago. You never fought for anything. Chances are that you all are too fat, out of shape or whimpy to fight anyway. Yet it doesn't stop you from badmouthing other gun owners who are trying to fight the gun grabbers. It is this small minded sort of ignorance you all possess that liberal politicians rely on to further their agenda. Where were you and what did you do about the gun bans imposed by the Klinton admin? You were probably here busy typing away congratulating your hyena buddys for running from California or trying to BS everyone about how tough you are. What a laugh!
Thanks, we are trying. I will meet with the NRA in LA on Saturday to see what we can do jointly. As a board member of the Calguns Foundation we have an interesting dilemma of deciding where our time and money will be best spent. We have supported and won a few battles already and are getting noticed. Now it is time to show a unified front. I am unclear of where we will eventually fit in. The fact is we are trying. The crap did not happen overnight and we dont expect it to go away that soon either. I don't expect everyone to agree we are worth fighting for, that is your right. I personally have never run from a fight and am not going to start now.
To all that think I am crazy, all I have to say about that is what my Dad used to say. If you argue with a crazy person no one can tell the difference. I will address any civil questions to the best of my ability. I dont have time to puff my chest at anyone.
Good luck. My advice would be to seek better company. Whatever you do, watch your back, lest you find the dagger of compromise planted firmly between you shoulders.
I respectfully disagree, since 2005 we have made great progress, we can now own AR's AK's and any other gun you can have there are some restrictions but they are being challenged as we speak. As for the SF gun ban we did defeat it and I posted we would a long time ago and also when it was defeated. As for the NRA, yes we will be careful we are not perfect either. We just dont have as many mouts to feed. Thanks for your concern.