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quote:Originally posted by IAMACLONE_2
I lead a really boring life, on Gunbroker from 830am -5pm Monday-Friday.
I DONT KNOW JACK, but will be happy to give any help or of any asstiance (sp)
Also cant spell either!!!
Walte
i vote for iamaclone_2 as Mark C. said because of his exstinsive
experiance with reloading, Mark C. for his exstinsive knowlage of
firarms, and for ruger270 because you got to start sometime
[:D][:D][:D]
there needs to be 3 moderators
I vote for the guy that is the most humble and has the thickest skin. Now let's all go to the "General Forum" and watch who argues that he is the best at being humble and has the thickest skin.[:D]
There seems to be a need for moderator on the general forum and I would guess on the political forum. If we all just agree that we will not respond to any thing but reloading questions and discussion on this forum it might be a plaza with not need for a constable. Just a place where guys with a common interest and mutual respect hang out to discuss something that they have a passion for or want to learn more about.
How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live.
Henry David Thoreau
My friend is one... who takes me for what I am.
Henry David Thoreau
But from what I'm starting to see, we really need
a split(two or three)forums........Give it a month
and this one should be called....BENCHREST CENTRAL.
Too much technobabble for me, but then my interests
are only in hunting loads and simple reloading.
Another area of interest is in working with WILDCATS.
This topic could make a forum too.
This post is not intended to insult anyone or to
say your benchrest hobby is unworthy....it's just you
guys get too deeply into stuff that does not mean a
hill of beans to a HUNTER. And please, no rebukes
from varmint hunters who want to pop praire dogs at
10,000 meters!
quote:Originally posted by D.K.
Two or more moderators? Well, I guess...OK?
But from what I'm starting to see, we really need
a split(two or three)forums........Give it a month
and this one should be called....BENCHREST CENTRAL.
Too much technobabble for me, but then my interests
are only in hunting loads and simple reloading.
Another area of interest is in working with WILDCATS.
This topic could make a forum too.
This post is not intended to insult anyone or to
say your benchrest hobby is unworthy....it's just you
guys get too deeply into stuff that does not mean a
hill of beans to a HUNTER. And please, no rebukes
from varmint hunters who want to pop praire dogs at
10,000 meters!
accuracy helps everyone. The more accurate your round is at 100 yards, the more accurate it will be at 300, etc, I wouldnt mind taking a deer, confidently, at over 300 yards.
And there are not enough members on GB to split the reloading forum into more than one.
"I will no longer debate a liberal because I feel they are beneath contempt. Just communicating with one contaminates a person." - whiteclouder
quote:Originally posted by D.K.
Two or more moderators? Well, I guess...OK?
But from what I'm starting to see, we really need
a split(two or three)forums........Give it a month
and this one should be called....BENCHREST CENTRAL.
Too much technobabble for me, but then my interests
are only in hunting loads and simple reloading.
Another area of interest is in working with WILDCATS.
This topic could make a forum too.
This post is not intended to insult anyone or to
say your benchrest hobby is unworthy....it's just you
guys get too deeply into stuff that does not mean a
hill of beans to a HUNTER. And please, no rebukes
from varmint hunters who want to pop praire dogs at
10,000 meters!
Perhaps after we actually get this forum renamed[;)]?
Seriously, FOCUS![:D]
Reserving my Right to Arm Bears!!!!
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals
Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "Keep guns out of the wrong hands."
Guess what?
You have the wrong hands.
I guess I will nominate myself. I have been reloading for 10 years now.
Still have a lot to learn like everyone else.
Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution does it state: "Seperation of Church and State".
"Those who beat their guns into plow shares; will plow for those who don't."
"Isaiah 5:20 ?Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
I was only implying what we all know...hunting
guns are nowhere near as accurate as your Bench
guns. It is possible to make ammo better than a gun
can shoot. It is also easy to make ammo and gun combos
that shoot better than the rifleman.
You benchrest guys do those little things which make better ammo
as measured in the fractions of an inch. I don't
think my hunting '06 would be able to tell the difference
while we are deer hunting.
That's all I meant, and yes since I shoot only enough
to remain a good shot for HUNTING, you guys would probably
outshoot me with any firearm....I'll concede that! I had
no intention of insulting anyone!
DK
Just a FYI. I don't shoot benchrest, ALL my rifle reloading is for hunting BUT I refuse to accept more than 1MOA from a factory rifle (OK, I'll accept 2MOA from a iron sighted 30-30 "swamp gun") or more than 1/2MOA from a custom piece (I've also shot out a couple of 30-06 barrels).
That's why I use BR loading tricks with my hunting ammo, because I refuse to accept less than the best I can do (and excuses don't cut it when your shooting hair at long range).
Some guys like a mag full of lead, I still prefer one round to the head.
Tailgunner.....I guess my point of view comes from
the fact I've never shot any game over 90-100 yards.
And simply figured a 1/4" difference didn't matter?
Now I don't take "running" shots...and I don't
shoot at anything beyond 100 yards. Where I hunt
you can't really see anything well past that range anyway!
And I do want to know what I'm shooting at!
I suppose out west and some places here in the east longer shots
are the norm. I've always considered the sport HUNTING, not
long range shooting. Finn Aagaard believed a good hunter stalked
his game to within 100 yards. I just took him seriously.
I'm not going to take anyone to task for the way they load or
the way they hunt. This is America and to each his own. All I would ask is that you keep safety first!
No problem DK, I prefer closer shots also. Where I hunt/shoot crop damage is mainly over open hay fields (40-160acre fields), and the deer don't come out to feed until the last 15 minutes of shooting light. Kind of hard to cover the whole field and get within 100yd in 10 minutes without cover.
Different enviroment + different conditions = different methiods.
Some guys like a mag full of lead, I still prefer one round to the head.
I don't like to shoot at them UNTIL they are 300yds away,..just my preference.
10X the number of shots on game at LR are spent on paper and run over a chronograph, then input into balistics programs to develope drop charts. The LR hunting issue will never be put to bed, as too many just don't practice at those ranges,..therefore don't take shots at those ranges, and therefore do not condone or often will condemn those of us who do. We do need the extra BR tricks because we are fighting multitudes more variables as range increases than the guys hunting at 100yds. As Tailgunner said,..different instances= different tactics.
for 100yd hunting loads,..pick a powder and a bullet, prime cases and load until one recipe outshoots the rest. Then load em all up like that and go hunting.
I don't know wether splitting this out to BR forums, Wildcatting forums, and hunting reloading forums would make a wise choice as that makes for a lot of new forums for no real reason.
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
Got Balistics?
A couple of ppl very kindly suggested my name. I doubt I'm in serious consideration, but if I am, may I ask that you give your attention to some others amongst us? I have enough on my hands with my auctions, home life and moderating the Wanted forum. This would be more fun than the latter, but that one needed attention and I volunteered.
I expect to visit the new forum a *lot.* I have some qualifications, but I honestly do not think I'm more knowledgeable than many, perhaps most, of the folks here. I just did a lot with some very unusual loadings - mostly obsolete items - as an ancillary activity to my cartridge collecting. Throw me a question on some WSSM and _____________ is all you will get.
OK, for my $0.02 I would suggest JustC, GHD and ruger270man. The first two because their posts over the years have demonstrated they know what they are talking about. R270 because he has demonstrated he really *cares* about making this work - which is worth any amount of experience / knowledge. One name I've been really surprised not to have seen mentioned mrmike . . . guys, *Mike works with a big time custom loading shop!* He has more than a faint clue on much of this stuff.
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain)
quote:Originally posted by Iconoclast
R270 because he has demonstrated he really *cares* about making this work - which is worth any amount of experience / knowledge.
I think the elected moderators is turning into a whos' who of the GB good old boys club. People thinking we'll need four moderators for reloading but only one moderator for General discussion? I understand the safety aspect of a reloading forum but come on, you want to double the number of current moderators because of the addition of one forum? I really don't care who the moderator is, or how many there are, and I'll post accordingly and within the guidlines of GB, and if people can handle doing that simple task you won't need four new moderators.
R/
Dave
People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news.
I have been reloading for about 5 years and I also build rifles from mauser actions, hunting and BR types. I do a lot more reading than I do posting. The one thing that I might add is that whenever load data is posted try and get a confermation from other members or from printed data before using that data.
It's not like its going to cost a dime more to have 3-4 guys helping out with the forum. Unlike like GD and other forums mis-leading information here can lead to some serious trouble. There are a few members concerned with the "liability" of this forum so therefore a lot of people feel that the more eyes we have watching over it, the better.
And yes, lets look at GD forum. You know as well as I do its a freaking circus in there some times.
there shouldnt be a liability.. if someone on general discussion suggests that someone buy a glock, and the glock kb's and breaks the bones in their hand, is GB liable?
"I will no longer debate a liberal because I feel they are beneath contempt. Just communicating with one contaminates a person." - whiteclouder
If gunbroker will agree to start a reloading forum (directed by admin) I will volunteer to have several attorneys look over the disclaimer, at no cost to GB, once GB admin writes a disclaimer. If this is a consideration to have a reloading forum, I hope my little contribution can offer some help.
R/
Dave
People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news.
"To safely use this or any other guide or manual, you msut keep yourself well informed on the technical progress of relaoding. It is our belief the information offered will result in safe operation if the proper equipment and components are applied in a resonanble manner. Because Nosler Inc has no control over the actual components selected, the manner in which the components are assembled, or the condition or quality of equipment used, no responsibility either expressed or implied is assumed for the use of this guide or for any other nosler product. In no event shall nosler Inc be liable for any damages that result from the use of this book, wether in contort, tort or otherwise, including consequential damages."
The persons giving load data are not owners nor paying members or associates of gunbroker. Even if a blow-up were to happen,..how could you prove the load that was in the chamber of the gun when that occured? the evidence has been turned to plasma and eventually deposited all over the environment. Not to mention that no-one offering data here works for a powder/bullet/primer/case/rifle company.
Let's just keep it simple and share reloading advice and data.
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
Got Balistics?
JustC I agree!
quote:Let's just keep it simple and share reloading advice and data.
That's all we need! Heck I will say it one more time. We will talk how to fix brakes on a car/truck in the Gen. area. isn't that just as important? And no disclaimer?
Come on, lets use our heads shall we. Lets Keep it clean!
Okay. I see a moderator if we need to kick someone off who is a troll or dangeorus.
But Maybe an open message that is a statement of the forums purpose and the commandments of safe reloading posted permanently there would do as much good. I am talking visible each time you go to the forum.
"Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for." -- Will Rogers
My friend is one... who takes me for what I am.
Henry David Thoreau
So far so good. I think at this point if we see something wrong E-mail Nunn or Icon. or Captin. If we wish to keep this part of the forum clean we ALL need to watch and act as if we are moderators.
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I lead a really boring life, on Gunbroker from 830am -5pm Monday-Friday.
I DONT KNOW JACK, but will be happy to give any help or of any asstiance (sp)
Also cant spell either!!!
Walte
i vote for iamaclone_2 as Mark C. said because of his exstinsive
experiance with reloading, Mark C. for his exstinsive knowlage of
firarms, and for ruger270 because you got to start sometime
[:D][:D][:D]
there needs to be 3 moderators
Shadow62
There seems to be a need for moderator on the general forum and I would guess on the political forum. If we all just agree that we will not respond to any thing but reloading questions and discussion on this forum it might be a plaza with not need for a constable. Just a place where guys with a common interest and mutual respect hang out to discuss something that they have a passion for or want to learn more about.
How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live.
Henry David Thoreau
My friend is one... who takes me for what I am.
Henry David Thoreau
But from what I'm starting to see, we really need
a split(two or three)forums........Give it a month
and this one should be called....BENCHREST CENTRAL.
Too much technobabble for me, but then my interests
are only in hunting loads and simple reloading.
Another area of interest is in working with WILDCATS.
This topic could make a forum too.
This post is not intended to insult anyone or to
say your benchrest hobby is unworthy....it's just you
guys get too deeply into stuff that does not mean a
hill of beans to a HUNTER. And please, no rebukes
from varmint hunters who want to pop praire dogs at
10,000 meters!
Two or more moderators? Well, I guess...OK?
But from what I'm starting to see, we really need
a split(two or three)forums........Give it a month
and this one should be called....BENCHREST CENTRAL.
Too much technobabble for me, but then my interests
are only in hunting loads and simple reloading.
Another area of interest is in working with WILDCATS.
This topic could make a forum too.
This post is not intended to insult anyone or to
say your benchrest hobby is unworthy....it's just you
guys get too deeply into stuff that does not mean a
hill of beans to a HUNTER. And please, no rebukes
from varmint hunters who want to pop praire dogs at
10,000 meters!
accuracy helps everyone. The more accurate your round is at 100 yards, the more accurate it will be at 300, etc, I wouldnt mind taking a deer, confidently, at over 300 yards.
And there are not enough members on GB to split the reloading forum into more than one.
"I will no longer debate a liberal because I feel they are beneath contempt. Just communicating with one contaminates a person." - whiteclouder
Two or more moderators? Well, I guess...OK?
But from what I'm starting to see, we really need
a split(two or three)forums........Give it a month
and this one should be called....BENCHREST CENTRAL.
Too much technobabble for me, but then my interests
are only in hunting loads and simple reloading.
Another area of interest is in working with WILDCATS.
This topic could make a forum too.
This post is not intended to insult anyone or to
say your benchrest hobby is unworthy....it's just you
guys get too deeply into stuff that does not mean a
hill of beans to a HUNTER. And please, no rebukes
from varmint hunters who want to pop praire dogs at
10,000 meters!
Perhaps after we actually get this forum renamed[;)]?
Seriously, FOCUS![:D]
Reserving my Right to Arm Bears!!!!
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals
Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "Keep guns out of the wrong hands."
Guess what?
You have the wrong hands.
Still have a lot to learn like everyone else.
Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution does it state: "Seperation of Church and State".
"Those who beat their guns into plow shares; will plow for those who don't."
"Isaiah 5:20 ?Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
I was only implying what we all know...hunting
guns are nowhere near as accurate as your Bench
guns. It is possible to make ammo better than a gun
can shoot. It is also easy to make ammo and gun combos
that shoot better than the rifleman.
You benchrest guys do those little things which make better ammo
as measured in the fractions of an inch. I don't
think my hunting '06 would be able to tell the difference
while we are deer hunting.
That's all I meant, and yes since I shoot only enough
to remain a good shot for HUNTING, you guys would probably
outshoot me with any firearm....I'll concede that! I had
no intention of insulting anyone!
Eric
All American Arms Company
www.galleryofguns.com
VIP Code: AAAC
Veteran Owned and Operated
Just a FYI. I don't shoot benchrest, ALL my rifle reloading is for hunting BUT I refuse to accept more than 1MOA from a factory rifle (OK, I'll accept 2MOA from a iron sighted 30-30 "swamp gun") or more than 1/2MOA from a custom piece (I've also shot out a couple of 30-06 barrels).
That's why I use BR loading tricks with my hunting ammo, because I refuse to accept less than the best I can do (and excuses don't cut it when your shooting hair at long range).
Some guys like a mag full of lead, I still prefer one round to the head.
Bad spellers of the world
"UNTIE!"
Bad spellers of the world
"UNTIE!"
the fact I've never shot any game over 90-100 yards.
And simply figured a 1/4" difference didn't matter?
Now I don't take "running" shots...and I don't
shoot at anything beyond 100 yards. Where I hunt
you can't really see anything well past that range anyway!
And I do want to know what I'm shooting at!
I suppose out west and some places here in the east longer shots
are the norm. I've always considered the sport HUNTING, not
long range shooting. Finn Aagaard believed a good hunter stalked
his game to within 100 yards. I just took him seriously.
I'm not going to take anyone to task for the way they load or
the way they hunt. This is America and to each his own. All I would ask is that you keep safety first!
Different enviroment + different conditions = different methiods.
Some guys like a mag full of lead, I still prefer one round to the head.
10X the number of shots on game at LR are spent on paper and run over a chronograph, then input into balistics programs to develope drop charts. The LR hunting issue will never be put to bed, as too many just don't practice at those ranges,..therefore don't take shots at those ranges, and therefore do not condone or often will condemn those of us who do. We do need the extra BR tricks because we are fighting multitudes more variables as range increases than the guys hunting at 100yds. As Tailgunner said,..different instances= different tactics.
for 100yd hunting loads,..pick a powder and a bullet, prime cases and load until one recipe outshoots the rest. Then load em all up like that and go hunting.
I don't know wether splitting this out to BR forums, Wildcatting forums, and hunting reloading forums would make a wise choice as that makes for a lot of new forums for no real reason.
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
Got Balistics?
I expect to visit the new forum a *lot.* I have some qualifications, but I honestly do not think I'm more knowledgeable than many, perhaps most, of the folks here. I just did a lot with some very unusual loadings - mostly obsolete items - as an ancillary activity to my cartridge collecting. Throw me a question on some WSSM and _____________ is all you will get.
OK, for my $0.02 I would suggest JustC, GHD and ruger270man. The first two because their posts over the years have demonstrated they know what they are talking about. R270 because he has demonstrated he really *cares* about making this work - which is worth any amount of experience / knowledge. One name I've been really surprised not to have seen mentioned mrmike . . . guys, *Mike works with a big time custom loading shop!* He has more than a faint clue on much of this stuff.
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain)
R270 because he has demonstrated he really *cares* about making this work - which is worth any amount of experience / knowledge.
[:)] thanks!
JustC
Iconoclast
FrancF
GHD
4 should do the trick, what do you guys think?
Can I just get the power to boot people? HA! Like the forum bouncer? [}:)]
100 yard hunting! That's pretty much what I do! Can't
see where much else is required.
I can see how some of you longer range guys need all the
precision you can get, especially when you only get to hunt for 15 minutes!
Please remember....safety first!
2. FrancF
3. JustC
4. Mark C.
I appologize for any mis spelling. Chalk it up to old age.[:D][:D][:D]
for GOD and COUNTRY
Vet
As I said - I decline, with thanks! LOL!
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain)
R/
Dave
People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news.
-- A. J. Liebling
ruger270man
justc
GHD
I have been reloading for about 5 years and I also build rifles from mauser actions, hunting and BR types. I do a lot more reading than I do posting. The one thing that I might add is that whenever load data is posted try and get a confermation from other members or from printed data before using that data.
It's not like its going to cost a dime more to have 3-4 guys helping out with the forum. Unlike like GD and other forums mis-leading information here can lead to some serious trouble. There are a few members concerned with the "liability" of this forum so therefore a lot of people feel that the more eyes we have watching over it, the better.
And yes, lets look at GD forum. You know as well as I do its a freaking circus in there some times.
"I will no longer debate a liberal because I feel they are beneath contempt. Just communicating with one contaminates a person." - whiteclouder
R/
Dave
People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news.
-- A. J. Liebling
"To safely use this or any other guide or manual, you msut keep yourself well informed on the technical progress of relaoding. It is our belief the information offered will result in safe operation if the proper equipment and components are applied in a resonanble manner. Because Nosler Inc has no control over the actual components selected, the manner in which the components are assembled, or the condition or quality of equipment used, no responsibility either expressed or implied is assumed for the use of this guide or for any other nosler product. In no event shall nosler Inc be liable for any damages that result from the use of this book, wether in contort, tort or otherwise, including consequential damages."
The persons giving load data are not owners nor paying members or associates of gunbroker. Even if a blow-up were to happen,..how could you prove the load that was in the chamber of the gun when that occured? the evidence has been turned to plasma and eventually deposited all over the environment. Not to mention that no-one offering data here works for a powder/bullet/primer/case/rifle company.
Let's just keep it simple and share reloading advice and data.
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
Got Balistics?
quote:Let's just keep it simple and share reloading advice and data.
That's all we need! Heck I will say it one more time. We will talk how to fix brakes on a car/truck in the Gen. area. isn't that just as important? And no disclaimer?
Come on, lets use our heads shall we. Lets Keep it clean!
NRA Life Endowment Member
"I will no longer debate a liberal because I feel they are beneath contempt. Just communicating with one contaminates a person." - whiteclouder
But Maybe an open message that is a statement of the forums purpose and the commandments of safe reloading posted permanently there would do as much good. I am talking visible each time you go to the forum.
"Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for." -- Will Rogers
My friend is one... who takes me for what I am.
Henry David Thoreau
NRA Life Endowment Member