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Stuck case out, wood dowel still stuck....update. Dowel is finally out.
kidthatsirish
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So...a 22 lr rimfire bolt gun. Rifle fired (100% certain as I have a 22 caliber hole in the clean target).
The case got stuck. No big deal I think, so I take a wooden dowel put it into the barrel, give it a gentle tap with a rubber mallet and the dowel snaps off at the end of the barrel (nothing left to grab on)! It won't come out as I think it is now stuck in the case.
Suggestions?
Comments
Hammer and brass punch on the end of the dowel.
What redneckandy said.
Take another short piece of dowel (same dia.) and whack it again.-----------------Ray
I would carefully drive an awl tip into the casing just in front of the rim, and then protect the receiver with a cloth and pry out the case. Then drive the dowel out with an aluminum cleaning rod section from the breach side.
Tried the brass punch on the wooden dowel....it merely jammed more wood in, did not move the case, and bent the punch. I got the punch out by putting it in the vise and pulling the barreled action off it.
Small drill bit 1/16" drill into the end of the Dowell. If it spins,tap a small screwdriver just off to the side of the drill bit to hold the Dowell still. Go slow. After you get a hole in it, start a screw of appropriate size and get it in far enough to pull it out. Then go get an aluminum rod and finish the job. Or go with the aluminum rod with an appropriate amount of black electrical tape wrapped around the end and have at it.
No room in the barreled action to get anything on the case.
If It still won't move, stand on muzzle and put little PB on case, let soak 10 minutes and whack it again.-------------Ray
Ok....took a grinder and made a tool to get the case out.
Now I have to figure out how to get the wood out!
Load another round and pull the trigger.
(Joking of course)
Was thinking of using PB for the wood, but concerned it will only cause the wood to swell and make it tighter?🤔
Do you have another piece of dowel you can sand down a bit? Do you have a rifle cleaning kit?
Out of dowel as I busted both of mine I use for this project.
I have a brass cleaning rod but it is starting to bend as well.
Never thought I'd have soft pine wood stuck in a rifle barrel 🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
maybe drill a hole in the dowel rod use a long wood screw , maybe even add a bit of glue ? to the screw . then either try turning the screw to loosen it or use a piece of wood between the barrel as a leverage point on the muzzle and use the head of the wood screw to lever it back out of the barrel like pulling a nail with a claw hammer ? or a pair of vise grips locked on and use a hammer to tap on the vise grips ( in a outward direction LOL ) to force it out
many years ago I was about 16 or 17 at the time I had a similar issue and at that time had zero knowledge or experience but after a week or so of thinking of how ( long before the internet or I even knew any one who could help ) I sacrificed a aluminum cleaning rod and drove it out now old cleaning rods are really cheap and every where . back then I hated to do it as it was the only set of cleaning rods i had but I seen it as my only option
now you could get a brass rod aluminum rod close to bore size at most big box stores
If the dowel rod fit loose in bore when you first started it may have sheared in bore and formed a tight wedge. If not drive from chamber end, Looks like driving from muzzle end may only make it tighter.------------------------------Ray
One dowel out! Now to get the last one!
a screw into center of dowel. Try pulling out dowel by the screw head with pliers.
If that don't work you're gonna have to drive it out by the chamber end as Ray stated. Good luck.
I wish I could, unfortunately there is several inches of barrel on both ends of the dowel road.🤦🏼♂️
Are you 100 % sure this was not a squib round fired? There is no bullet in the barrel ? If there is, it's gunsmith time.
So I have a stuck piece of dowel in the middle of the barrel...and it will bend a piece of brass rod trying to move it.
This is gonna be a fun one.😋
In all seriousness I do appreciate everyone's suggestions. I know I can be the first to do something like this.
I think moral of this story is never use a dowel rod if you can avoid it. Use a cleaning rod and for gawds sake stay away from that bore with any hardened screws, punches etc if you can.----------Ray
So I have a stuck piece of dowel in the middle of the barrel...and it will bend a piece of brass rod trying to move it.
Because of this statement, I feel there is more in that barrel than a wood dowel.
And now that you got the case out,what does it show? Why did it get stuck in the first place?
Yup. I would test both ends with a red hot coat hanger. If it doesn't smoke, it isn't wood.
hard to guess from here but another idea to protect the bore just use a piece of steel tubing like a brake or fuel line easy to get any parts place . inset the tubing into the bore then run the drill bit thru the tubing to protect the bore and riffling and crown ?
trying to help thinking on the go here
I am no way a gun smith so all my advise is just that a suggestion not to be taken as such if you choose to do so it may have risk ( cover my butt statement ) I am just a back yard fix every thing ( and I mean every thing ) with what I have had on hand and hate to loose or toss in a towel on any project
I guess if all else fails find a local gun smith . it would be my last and I truly mean out of complete desperation I would maybe consider it .. not I do not like r trust them example I would be honored to have some one like forge build a pistol for me but the cost of his ability and craftsman ship puts that out of my range there is a lot of good and great gun smiths but for this stuck case I would find a way on my own you mileage may vary
when you get it out check the case if spilt and the chamber for damage like nicks , rust or what caused it to lock in the casing
Definitely just the stuck dowel now. I can see the wood on both ends from the barrel. It's just plan stuck.
The case got stuck so hard I think because when the dowel first went into the case to knock it out it went inside the case and would not allow the case to shrink to come.out of the bore.
Absolutely no bullet. I saw the shot hit the target. I besides....the one piece of dowel I did get out came through the breech end....I inserted both into the barrel from the muzzle.
Sounds reasonable. Buff up end of coat hanger a little and don't scratch that bore. Starting to sound like a squib round as Joe says. If you get really desperate, I suppose you could freeze that sucker and whack it again?---------------------Ray
Ok one last thought the receiver may just be pinned the barrel as most 22 are drive out the cross pins ( in the right direction some L to R some are R to L then remover the receiver to gain access to the barrel then drill thru the dowel and 22 case from the breach end and get the hole big enough maybe a start with a small bit and work your way up a size or two each time with out getting into the metal of the chamber to basically allow you crush the case in on its self ( diameter down) with a punch or similar tool around the rim and then drive the dowel back out ?
I running out of ideas LOL
Exactly, does not look like a piece of rusty junk to seize that case. Excessive pressure to make it expand?---------------------------------Ray
But DR he already has the case out😉---------------------Ray
If you are positive it's all dowel, I would wait until you can get a piece of hardwood dowel (oak or maple), and drive it from the breach end. Sounds like you expanded it with the brass.
is the entire case out or just the end of it driven off and the brass case housing is formed around the wood locking it in ?
if its just the wood and no part of the case is left agree with the other fellows get a hard wood dowel and drive it out
seems odd the wood could be stuck with out the case holding it . unless you have a large dowel that has locked into the rifleing
just a joke .... last thought just box it up sent to me and you will not have worry about it LOL
So I'm spitballing but....if I were to spray both ends with on blaster and let it sit overnight do you think that would cause the wood that has wedged on both ends to pop back out towards the ends?
Do you think it would be better to get a brass rod this time that is dang near an exact fit?
I'm ready to grab a round, pull the bullet and powder and shot it out! (I mean, they do it on looney tunes all the time right?🤣🤣🤣).... joking of course.
Don't use liquid, it will cause swelling. If you can get brass just under the bore size that will be better than wood.
Yeah, guess I'll have to wait to get this one fixed until the weekend is over than....what a bummer!
Get a soft metal rod that just fits the bore. Use a sharp pair of dykes to cut the end off, leaving the shape of a slot-head screwdriver. Chuck the other end into your Dewalt. Put your shaped "cutting end" in the barrel and eat that dowel out of there. Grind, dump chips, repeat.
If we can nip off a pin to make a "cutter" and drill holes in our thumbnails to let blood out, then the concept ought to scale up to a rifle bore and dowel.
Get an appropriate diameter drill rod from here:
And use that to hammer out the broken dowel rod.
I'd be tempted by your last comment - shooting it out with a 22 case of powder (no bullet!!!). I've dry balled (ball no powder) my muzzle loader and fed a couple grains of black powder into the nipple, recapped and shot the ball out.