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Stuck case out, wood dowel still stuck....update. Dowel is finally out.
If you're going to try and shoot it out you can get .22 blanks from the hardware store that are used in nail setting guns. There are different power levels available.
So, if you just have a length of dowel stuck down in the pipe, you're going to want to try to twist it out (in the direction of the rifling) rather than just push because you have swollen the end that went into the case. You can try heating the bbl, as that will expand the metal and have little effect on the wood, but heating to the point of burning the wood is probably not the best idea. I would use a heat gun.
Don't use liquid lube as it will swell the wood. You might try graphite, however.
Firing a blank may not give the result you want. In a black powder gun, if you don't seat the bullet all the way down it's bad news, and it looks like you may have a gap between the case end and the obstruction. I dunno, 22lr isn't super powerful so it might not hurt anything. The blanks from the hardware store like @NeoBlackdog suggested would work for that if you do go that route.
The wood is softer than your brass rod, and even though it's bent you might try sharpening the end of it and just using your drill to chip away at the wood.
Those are all the suggestions I have. Cheers.
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Nobody likes my idea of turning a brass or aluminum rod into a drill? It's softer than the barrel so no damage, just nip the end of the rod off like a chisel point, put it in your Dewalt and drill the wood out.
yeah what nanuq said. Make the point of the rod narrower than it's full diameter. Flat point. Like a screwdriver. Narrower so it won't scratch the bore. If you can get the dowel turning you've won part of the battle. Hopefully you can push it out the chamber end and pull it the rest of the way.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
This^^^ and before you do it, leave it in the freezer over night. You learned a lesson the hard way, you never sick wood in the bore. If and when you get it out, save the brass rod for the next stuck case. Just dropping it down the bore, muzzle up, never takes more than 2 to 3 tries.
Worse one I've ever seen was on a Mosin 91/30. By the time the kid realized he wasn't going to get it out, he had it packed in there like it had been done with a hydraulic press. Used a long drill bit with some nylon plastic sleeves to center in the bore, something like Ditch-Runner suggested, and got a lot of it out. Soaked it with alcohol and burned it out. What was left finally shrunk enough to drive out with a brass rod. Couple of dozen strokes with JB bore paste, and it was good as new. Time and labor to do it, more than the damned Mosin was worth!
Forget about all of those screws and cleaning rods and punches. Here's what you need to do. Squirt a bunch of JB Weld down there on the end of the dowel. Push another dowel down into the JB Weld. Let cure over-night. In the morning you will just be able to pull the whole mess out.😉
I appreciate the inquiry. I have not gotten it out yet. I went to a metal supply outfit and ordered a custom brass rod that should fit the barrel much better.
My plan now is to take the barreled action, wipe the exterior down with a oiled cloth and put it in my deep freezer for an hour.
Take it out, put it in my padded vice and then use the better fitted rod to tap it out with hopes it won't mushroom.
If that works I will then keep the rod for any future stuck cases...and I may even order some others in sizes that would work for my other firearms so I can avoid a similar debacle. I'll keep the forum updated.
At this point, I think the solution needs to involve a second gun. Proposal, align the bbl of this gun with the bbl of a 17 HMR and go to work pounding that splintering dowel out.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Freezing the barrel will shrink the barrel and tighten the grip on the dowel...If you want to freeze the barrel then you will have to warm the barrel and not warm the dowel...What a mess...If you get the custom made brass rod...you need to start out with short lengths (2-3") so it doesn't bend and work your way up to longer lengths...JMHOP...
Typically when I have removed barrels from a 22 action before I always freeze them. That tends to shrink the steel, meaning the outer diameter decreases and the inner diameter increases. It has always worked before so I have no doubt it will work with the steel now.
Of course what the cold does to the wood may be a different story.
Regardless I'll safely get it out. Sometimes.it just takes a little patience. The new rod should arrive by Friday. If I get the dowel out, I'll clean the rifle up, and take it to the range to shoot groups...
Alright, lets take a few steps back. How about a brass rod small enough that you could sweat a short length of brass tubing on it that would shroud the end of the dowel to keep it from mushrooming over. I'm not going to stop till you get this out. I live for this kind of stuff.
When you freeze a steel tube the inner diameter will decrease. When you heat it, the inner diameter increases. Two proofs:
1) Cut a hole out of a steel disc. Heat the disc and heat the cutout plug at the same rate. After they reach temperature the plug will still fit the hole, although the plug has increased in diameter. So the hole got bigger.
2) Consider this picture. The length of each side on each square increases as you heat the green plate. Therefore the size of the hole in the center also increases.
Years ago my brother had a SKS with a fired steel case stuck in the barrel and someone tried to push it out with a piece of dowel but the dowel was jammed in the barrel and trying to drive it out wouldn't move it. I think I attached a brass screw to a steel cleaning rod and screwed it into the wooden plug and pulled it out. When I finally got it out I discovered the dowel had hit the case and started collapsing on itself in segments from the repeated pounding on it. That just caused the wood to wedge itself even tighter and no amount of pounding was going to break it loose. I have seen many 22 rim fire barrels with bulges that were caused by a squib load leaving a bullet part way down the barrel and the next bullet fired hitting it so I wouldn't recommending that as a method to remove the wood.
Perhaps you could use a propane torch to heat the barrel up just enough to scorch the wood but not hot enough to effect the heat treatment of the barrel steel.
Yep. Freezing will definitely shrink the inner diameter. What it might do though, is permanently deform the wood such that if you then heat up the bbl the wood won't expand as fast and may be pushed out more easily.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I don't know why I keep thinking this and I know it is a stupid idea but I just have to share it.
I have a small funnel that I use to drop black powder into powder horns. It would fit into a 22 barrel. If you were to carefully pour a small amount of gasoline slowly down the bore and let it soak into the wood dowel for a few hours. Clean any spilled residue on the outside of barrel. Then, carefully with your face, hands, and body well away from the muzzle using a long extension lighter, fire it up and burn the dowel.
I know! Pretty dumb of me but I now feel better now that I got this off my chest!
Thank you for the suggestion. However I have decided I am not going to try and burn the dowel out of the barrel. I truly believe that using a solid brass rod that is as close to the inner diameter of the barrel while still fitting inside and gently tapping it out with a large rubber mallet will be my best choice. I think had I gone that route when it was just a stuck case I wouldn't have even ended up starting this thread.🙂
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No seriously do you have an air compressor? Maybe a rubber tiped blow off attachment and some air pressure.
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Tape up a rod of steel and hammer away?
OK, has anyone learned anything from this post??
Hand torch and burn out the dowel . Stand it on end so heat goes up , Soak it in kerosene.
Compressed air.
If you're going to try and shoot it out you can get .22 blanks from the hardware store that are used in nail setting guns. There are different power levels available.
https://www.ramset.com/Products/Accessories/Powder-Loads/22-Caliber-Single
Heat shrink tube to protect the bore on what ever you decide to use in the barrel
Mobuck "OK, has anyone learned anything from this post??"
Yep, apparently some folks don't read all the comments in the order they are posted.
And don't use wood dowels in guns...
Now I have to figure out how to get the wood out!
Have you considered termites?
So, if you just have a length of dowel stuck down in the pipe, you're going to want to try to twist it out (in the direction of the rifling) rather than just push because you have swollen the end that went into the case. You can try heating the bbl, as that will expand the metal and have little effect on the wood, but heating to the point of burning the wood is probably not the best idea. I would use a heat gun.
Don't use liquid lube as it will swell the wood. You might try graphite, however.
Firing a blank may not give the result you want. In a black powder gun, if you don't seat the bullet all the way down it's bad news, and it looks like you may have a gap between the case end and the obstruction. I dunno, 22lr isn't super powerful so it might not hurt anything. The blanks from the hardware store like @NeoBlackdog suggested would work for that if you do go that route.
The wood is softer than your brass rod, and even though it's bent you might try sharpening the end of it and just using your drill to chip away at the wood.
Those are all the suggestions I have. Cheers.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Nobody likes my idea of turning a brass or aluminum rod into a drill? It's softer than the barrel so no damage, just nip the end of the rod off like a chisel point, put it in your Dewalt and drill the wood out.
yeah what nanuq said. Make the point of the rod narrower than it's full diameter. Flat point. Like a screwdriver. Narrower so it won't scratch the bore. If you can get the dowel turning you've won part of the battle. Hopefully you can push it out the chamber end and pull it the rest of the way.
I think this has a good chance of working.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
This^^^ and before you do it, leave it in the freezer over night. You learned a lesson the hard way, you never sick wood in the bore. If and when you get it out, save the brass rod for the next stuck case. Just dropping it down the bore, muzzle up, never takes more than 2 to 3 tries.
Worse one I've ever seen was on a Mosin 91/30. By the time the kid realized he wasn't going to get it out, he had it packed in there like it had been done with a hydraulic press. Used a long drill bit with some nylon plastic sleeves to center in the bore, something like Ditch-Runner suggested, and got a lot of it out. Soaked it with alcohol and burned it out. What was left finally shrunk enough to drive out with a brass rod. Couple of dozen strokes with JB bore paste, and it was good as new. Time and labor to do it, more than the damned Mosin was worth!
Forget about all of those screws and cleaning rods and punches. Here's what you need to do. Squirt a bunch of JB Weld down there on the end of the dowel. Push another dowel down into the JB Weld. Let cure over-night. In the morning you will just be able to pull the whole mess out.😉
What make and model gun is that?
Be very careful where you send your rifle to get a stuck round removed?
WOW!!! 😲
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This is perhaps the worst idea you have had all day!😋
Didja get it out yet?
That is hilarious
I appreciate the inquiry. I have not gotten it out yet. I went to a metal supply outfit and ordered a custom brass rod that should fit the barrel much better.
My plan now is to take the barreled action, wipe the exterior down with a oiled cloth and put it in my deep freezer for an hour.
Take it out, put it in my padded vice and then use the better fitted rod to tap it out with hopes it won't mushroom.
If that works I will then keep the rod for any future stuck cases...and I may even order some others in sizes that would work for my other firearms so I can avoid a similar debacle. I'll keep the forum updated.
At this point, I think the solution needs to involve a second gun. Proposal, align the bbl of this gun with the bbl of a 17 HMR and go to work pounding that splintering dowel out.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Why would I destroy a perfectly good rifle when a little patience on my end and the new rod will come in?
Besides...if I get a 17hmr what will I do will all my 22lr ammo? Send it to you?🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ya might want to leave it in the freezer overnight. That is if you're doing that to try to dry out the wood.
Freezing the barrel will shrink the barrel and tighten the grip on the dowel...If you want to freeze the barrel then you will have to warm the barrel and not warm the dowel...What a mess...If you get the custom made brass rod...you need to start out with short lengths (2-3") so it doesn't bend and work your way up to longer lengths...JMHOP...
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Or use the brass rod as a damn drill and eat it out of there one chip at a time.
Okay that does it. Send me the barrel and I’ll get that piece of wood out of there. 🙈
Typically when I have removed barrels from a 22 action before I always freeze them. That tends to shrink the steel, meaning the outer diameter decreases and the inner diameter increases. It has always worked before so I have no doubt it will work with the steel now.
Of course what the cold does to the wood may be a different story.
Regardless I'll safely get it out. Sometimes.it just takes a little patience. The new rod should arrive by Friday. If I get the dowel out, I'll clean the rifle up, and take it to the range to shoot groups...
Alright, lets take a few steps back. How about a brass rod small enough that you could sweat a short length of brass tubing on it that would shroud the end of the dowel to keep it from mushrooming over. I'm not going to stop till you get this out. I live for this kind of stuff.
Don't worry, I'm not going to stop either! But I've learned my lesson. I'm going to wait until the right tool for the job arrives by UPS!😋
Then I will attack this again...until then I will be content with making my reloads for this weekends competition.🙂🤷🏼♂️
When you freeze a steel tube the inner diameter will decrease. When you heat it, the inner diameter increases. Two proofs:
1) Cut a hole out of a steel disc. Heat the disc and heat the cutout plug at the same rate. After they reach temperature the plug will still fit the hole, although the plug has increased in diameter. So the hole got bigger.
2) Consider this picture. The length of each side on each square increases as you heat the green plate. Therefore the size of the hole in the center also increases.
heat and cold in combination one real cold metal part and one hot part work well on installing some tight press fit bearings as one example
I do not see it helping with a wood plug thought
Years ago my brother had a SKS with a fired steel case stuck in the barrel and someone tried to push it out with a piece of dowel but the dowel was jammed in the barrel and trying to drive it out wouldn't move it. I think I attached a brass screw to a steel cleaning rod and screwed it into the wooden plug and pulled it out. When I finally got it out I discovered the dowel had hit the case and started collapsing on itself in segments from the repeated pounding on it. That just caused the wood to wedge itself even tighter and no amount of pounding was going to break it loose. I have seen many 22 rim fire barrels with bulges that were caused by a squib load leaving a bullet part way down the barrel and the next bullet fired hitting it so I wouldn't recommending that as a method to remove the wood.
Perhaps you could use a propane torch to heat the barrel up just enough to scorch the wood but not hot enough to effect the heat treatment of the barrel steel.
Yep. Freezing will definitely shrink the inner diameter. What it might do though, is permanently deform the wood such that if you then heat up the bbl the wood won't expand as fast and may be pushed out more easily.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I don't know why I keep thinking this and I know it is a stupid idea but I just have to share it.
I have a small funnel that I use to drop black powder into powder horns. It would fit into a 22 barrel. If you were to carefully pour a small amount of gasoline slowly down the bore and let it soak into the wood dowel for a few hours. Clean any spilled residue on the outside of barrel. Then, carefully with your face, hands, and body well away from the muzzle using a long extension lighter, fire it up and burn the dowel.
I know! Pretty dumb of me but I now feel better now that I got this off my chest!
Thank you for the suggestion. However I have decided I am not going to try and burn the dowel out of the barrel. I truly believe that using a solid brass rod that is as close to the inner diameter of the barrel while still fitting inside and gently tapping it out with a large rubber mallet will be my best choice. I think had I gone that route when it was just a stuck case I wouldn't have even ended up starting this thread.🙂
Pretty much what makes it work, combined with the freezers process of eliminating moisture for frost free.
...Dude! You have FAR more patience than I do!..I'd say it was GUNSMITH time, a long time ago, how much is your time worth?....😲
If you really want to dry the dowel, take the stock off and put it in an oven set to 180 degrees or so overnight. Maybe 24 hrs. The dowel will dry.
Take the stock off, toss the barrel in a fire.
No seriously do you have an air compressor? Maybe a rubber tiped blow off attachment and some air pressure.
I would blow from Breech