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Why the Americas weren't exactly stolen from the Native Americans

SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭

Zheng He was a Chinese admiral and explorer who may have explored the West Coast of North America sometime in the early 1400s. He made well-known and documented voyages throughout the Indian Ocean, but a map was discovered in 2001 which suggested he had also found North America.

There have also been artifacts discovered off the California coast which may be Chinese anchors.

The Ming Dynasty-funded explorations ended soon after, possibly because China needed to devote more money and attention to protecting its Northern border from Mongolia.

But they knew about the New World and word may have spread.

When they got another chance, the plan may have been to return. So the Native Americans would have lost control of the continent anyway.

The Vikings, of course, had discovered the New World for sure but had left after a time. Other explorers are rumored to have found the New World at various points.

When it became obvious that the New World was going to be China's or Europe's, there was far less point in holding back.

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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭

    Kind of like Poland after WW1.

    What a sorry waste of time, lives, and money that 2nd War.

    Not really sure why anyone would think this way, but what the heck; blacks were going to be enslaved anyway, so it was OK.

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,640 ✭✭✭✭

    Well Zheng He would be proud. It took a few K years but china is finally conquering America. 😒

    It's too late for me, save yourself.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,540 ✭✭✭✭

    Leave me guess he was aboard the Walmart

  • roswellnativeroswellnative Member Posts: 10,195 ✭✭✭✭

    the WhaMa...

    Although always described as a cowboy, Roswellnative generally acts as a righter of wrongs or bodyguard of some sort, where he excels thanks to his resourcefulness and incredible gun prowesses.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited June 2021

    Why the Americas weren't exactly stolen from the Native Americans



    non se·qui·tur

    /ˌnän ˈsekwədər/

    noun

    noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs

    a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • WarbirdsWarbirds Member Posts: 16,943 ✭✭✭✭

    Is it time to give California back to China?


    Lets start with their politicians.

  • BrookwoodBrookwood Member, Moderator Posts: 13,768 ******

    It's 1492 and the Indians standing on the banks of the shoreline are again whispering at each other.


    "Here comes some more of those white men with their flags in hand claiming they discovered our land!" 😁

  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • steve45steve45 Member Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭

    We took the land from the Indians the same way that they took the land from the people before them. By outfighting them. The Indians fought countless wars against each other, the stronger defeating the weaker and running them off. That's how it was done in those times.

  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭

    Leaving the Americas would have been equivalent to letting China control the world.

    Ownership of the Americas would have greatly strengthened the Ming dynasty and they may have been intent upon expansion, if the stories of Zhong He's fleet are to be believed. From Wikipedia:

    "Traditional and popular accounts of Zheng He's voyages have described a great fleet of gigantic ships far larger than any other wooden ships in history.

    • "Chinese treasure ships" (宝船; Bǎo Chuán), used by the commander of the fleet and his deputies, nine-masted, about 127 metres (417 feet) long, 52 metres (171 feet) wide, with four decks.
    • Equine ships (馬船; Mǎ Chuán), carrying horses and tribute goods and repair material for the fleet, eight-masted, about 103 m (338 ft) long and 42 m (138 ft) wide.
    • Supply ships (粮船; Liáng Chuán), containing staple for the crew, seven-masted, about 78 m (256 ft) long and 35 m (115 ft) wide.
    • Troop transports (兵船; Bīng Chuán), six-masted, about 67 m (220 ft) long and 25 m (82 ft) wide.
    • Fuchuan warships (福船; Fú Chuán), five-masted, about 50 m (160 ft) long.
    • Patrol boats (坐船; Zuò Chuán), eight-oared, about 37 m (121 ft) long.
    • Water tankers (水船; Shuǐ Chuán), with 1 month's supply of fresh water.

    Six more expeditions took place from 1407 to 1433 with fleets thought to be of comparable size.[75]"

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