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2021 F-150 engines
Mr. Perfect
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Is the 3.5L V6 Hybrid really all that? I'm dubious. Someone in the know please inform me, because it looks like I am involuntarily in the market. Thanks.
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How are you gonna haul stock trailers and hay with that! Lol...
its Fords second biggest tow package, I towed a 9k pound pontoon and a fully loaded bed all around the Midwest and never had a problem...even in passing zones going up grade. Oh yeah when I'm not towing i get almost 22m.p.g
actually it has a pretty good tow rating at 12,700 long term reliability would be my concern and the price to fix it if something breaks
If you are gonna do alot of towing, I would worry more about the transmission than the motor...... gearing can make up for a weak motor
3.5 timing chain issues.
I love mine! It's a 2020 with a tow package. I tow a 10,000lb toy hauler. It does wonderful. I'd definitely recommend it.
An interesting article about hybrid systems in larger trucks.
https://www.truckinginfo.com/316197/driving-hyliions-6x4he-hybrid-electric-system
lf l wanted to pull/haul with a Ford pickup l'd get a REAL engine. The new F250 V-8 is overhead valve, 7.3litres/450HP. Standard transmission is a 10speed auto. Get the 4.30 rear. lt will outpull any ''GAS'' engine on earth.😋
I chuckle at those ads that tout high 'tow ratings' for little engines. For years, I ran hopped up small blocks in a big block world and can say w/o a doubt there's nothing that replaces displacement for pulling power. Yes, the smaller hopped up engine may work for a while but will wear out sooner.
As mentioned, the drivetrain is also questionable. Anytime you lighten up the driveline and subject it to heavy loading, stuff WILL BREAK.
FWIW, I wouldn't own a FORD pickup and doubt I'd even keep one as a gift.
are ya buying it or rent for a couple years
"The PowerBoost™ full hybrid powertrain has the most torque of any engine in the 2021 F-150 lineup, delivering 430 horsepower and 570 lb.-ft. of torque. The PowerBoost™ system adds instant electric torque to Ford’s 3.5-liter EcoBoost® V6 and the 4x2 models have an EPA-estimated range of 750 miles on a single tank of gas,* delivering a maximum available 12,700 pounds towing. ** Available on SuperCrew® XL, XLT, LARIAT, King Ranch® , Platinum and Limited."
Well, it seems that just maybe, maybe that'd be how.
My concern is that those maximums might not... probably ARE NOT going to hold up when the grade is as much as 7% for several miles, and then you're stuck with what the V6 can muster on its own. Those type of hills aren't too uncommon where I drive, and would want to be hauling.
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It depends. Currently my plan is to buy, but I will see what the lease options are soon enough.
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Right now might be the only time in history where it makes sense to lease a vehicle.
That is my thought as well, Ricci.
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In case you weren't aware, hybrids don't have transmissions. There is no mechanical connection between the gas engine and the wheels. (There's also no starter motor, no belts, no traditional alternator, and no mechanical water pump. At least in the Toyota hybrid, that is.)
I am just not there yet to buy anything like that. Thinking of all those first airplanes folks tried to build jumping off of buildings flapping their arms and crashing .
Ummmmm....YES. It will out pull, out haul, out run, and has better MPG than the big V8 that it replaced. Dont beleive me? Find someone with an older one that still has the big V8 and hook it to a new one with the V6 turbo. Turbo wins in every aspect...except maybe the V8 weighs more :)
I am not a fan of turbos on a vehicle I depend on. And how are these ten speed tranys holding up?? But I would never buy a new vehicle again. I am right now looking for a 2000-2007 Tahoe or Suburban.
I see some of those old Tahoe and Suburbans running around with 400,000+ miles with original engine and transmissions.
Well, this engine isn't a turbo, it's a hybrid such that the electric motor supplies on demand ponies and torquies as a boost to the V6, when the load demands it, and when cruising the electric motor does most of the work (this is how I understand it anyway). Thus my concern when the hill gets long and steep. Yeah, it's got nice pulling for when you gotta get going, or when you want to pass, but a long hill where the electric runs out of juice half way up? Then what??
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It seems they tried to put it through the paces a bit (https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2020/10/06/tortured-and-tested-3-5-liter-powerboost-full-hybrid.html):
"For instance, Davis Dam in the Mojave Desert of Arizona is a massive 11.4-mile slope that climbs 3,500 feet with an average 6 percent grade and harsh heat. It is one of the toughest places in the United States to test towing performance. PowerBoost trucks loaded to the maximum available tow rating of 12,700 pounds climbed and descended the Davis Dam pass over and over and over again to prove the full durability of the engine, modular hybrid transmission, cooling systems and towing technologies."
Which is cute, really, in comparison to the Rattlesnake grade south of Asotin, WA. That one is 20 miles long and 6 to 9% and it's one I travel with some frequency to vacation destinations, and ultimately where I would end up pulling a trailer. Summer temps there rival that of Arizona easily. So, maybe it would do fine? I dunno. I guess my skepticism is going to prevent me from finding out the hard way.
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When pulling 10,000 pounds, you still need to stop 10,000 pounds.
While true, the braking is a known entity on the F-150, which seemingly would only be enhanced by the regenerative braking of the electric motor.
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All eighty then, didn't notice that, not heard of it. I googled it. Seems it is the same 3.5 turbo that has been proven, with and electric motor added to it. Apparently the electrical part is just an add in to boost the MPG slightly. Looks like it runs just FINE without electricity!
My mistake! This is the turbocharged ecoboost paired with an electric motor to give it a power boost, as you noted. I apologize! I was wrong sir.
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Not wrong, just like me.....didn't know. Not sure why they did that, other than to boost the MPG by 4mpg. That's a lot of extra parts and batteries for that dismal gain. Now the new all electric f150 will be a diff story. IF they do it right, and it's not 75k then it will be a winner. All electric is WAY better IF they can master it. They have NOT mastered it yet tho.....charging....burning batteries....bat don't last long and are EXPENSIVE.
Some of you need to read up a bit about how hybrids work. It is extremely complicated, but the "joe Sixpack" explanation is that it is like a diesel/electric locomotive. The small gas engine turns a generator that in turn both powers the electric motors that turn the drive wheels and charges a huge battery. There is no mechanical transmission, and the gas engine has no connection to the wheels at all. The generator and the battery both supply voltage to the electric drive motors all the time, when there's more power being created than the wheels need, that power goes to the battery. When the wheels need more power, the engine runs harder and some juice flows back out of the battery. If you happen to be going downhill, the wheel motors turn into generators and the gas engine can relax while the wheel motors charge the battery.
It's actually a LOT more complicated than that, but only the system's design engineers could explain it - and none of us would understand anyway.
Half the guys on this forum hate cell phones.
Its a long putt to get them to buy into progressing technology.
A hybrid truck? That is unfathomable around here.
Hey, I hate cell phones. Actually, I hate ALL phones. But I do embrace other new technologies, and I am just flat-out astounded by my wife's Toyota Highlander Hybrid. It's designed for highway use, not towing, but if engineers wanted to tailor a system to truck uses, I don't think it'd be beyond them.
Again.....Google. The 2021 F150 is a rear wheel drive. It has and added motor built into the basic 10 speed transmission. This motor runs off the battery and can turn the transmission to power the rear wheels, or all 4 if 4x4. The F150 does not have electric drive motors on each wheel. That will be on the all electric f150 coming soon. The 2021 hybrid is simply that....hybrid. it can be driven with no electricity(well the standard 12VDC is required.) The hybrid part simply powers recepticals and the motor built into the 10 speed transmission.
And yes, the transmission is directly tied into the motor and drive shaft. I would not hesitate to buy one, if I was so inclined. I don't buy new so..... The motor is proven and will be more than enough. If you need more towing then a 250 or 350 is in order. Not sure about the hybrid tranny, will wait and see. BUT Ford knocked it OUT of the park with the turbo V6. I had my doubts, but have not seen a single one with turbo issues!(I'm sure some have but none I personally know of).
Well the ford has a mechanical transmission, it's just that the electric motor sits between it and the gas engine. The electric motor on the F-150 outputs about 44hp on its own and the engine boosts that by the 386 HP the v6 produces. Ford says the two "work in tandem" to produce the spec'd power, rather than the gas engine just turning/powering the electric motor. Apparently at low speed and stop and go type driving conditions the engine boost and transition is pretty noticeable. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021-ford-f-150-powerboost-hybrid-review/
At any rate, the V6 in this scenario isn't just a small engine that powers the electric motor... that's how passenger cars work tho. At least, this is my understanding after looking at Ford's diagrams and descriptions.
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I can't see having a $1,200+ CAR payment! I'm waiting for everyone to buy their new vehicles so I can get a used expedition😁. Used cars are SKY high right now, so I will wait......patiently.
LOL. $4,400 MIGHT get you a used Pinto now🤯. If everyone were like me and my wife......prices would drop. Never bought a brand new vehicle. Got a ford ranger with 8k miles from the bank for 12,000(KBB was 22k) and that's the most we spent on vehicles. I have 4 diff vehicles and would not be scared to drive either of them cross country. I do my own maintenance and keep them running "like new" but with no car payments.
With the username @Mr. Perfect we know you will make a good choice.
I appreciate your confidence.
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Stay away from small twin turbocharged engines, Anything electric low to the ground will fry if you get in high water. The only hybrid I would consider is one that has a built-in on board generator that charges the battery pack only. I don't know of a truck that has such a set up at present. Only a BMW and maybe Mazda with a Wankel generator. I would stick with a v-8 -5 liter gas engine and buy a diesel generator and haul it around.
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https://www.slashgear.com/mazda-mx-30-ev-is-reviving-the-rotary-engine-as-a-power-generator-08615930/
I guess that depends on your definition of small engine. The 3.5 liter V6 twin turbo is a beast. Why would you recommend that we stay away from that? Rock solid and proven over years of use. Can't speak to the hybrid version, but the hybrid part is simply added INTO the transmission, that plus the battery back on the frame.