Enough!!!
4205raymond
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I think the people of Ukraine have suffered enough. I say send in the UN Troops. If that doesn't work which may not, send in our guys with their boots on the ground. Putin obviously is not to concerned about economic sanctions even though they are destroying the Russian people and their country.
It is time I fear to call Putin's Threat/Bluff. Our people must know by now how his brain ticks, Even Gates former director of the CIA says he is a Cold Bloodied Killer. I was on Red Alert when President Kennedy turned the missiles around in Cuba. Sometimes their is "Nothing to Fear but Fear Itself"
I know we can't police the whole world and your view may be different. I understand that. I think the Ukrainians have had enough.--------------------------------Ray
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I think we need to do more. If we don't stop Putin, then I really think China is going to take advantage of our inaction to try and invade Taiwan.
We may still end up in a World war.
Here is what angers me. In 2020 we were importing 8000 barrels of oil a day from Russia, today we are importing 560000 barrels of oil a day from Russia, yet we say the sanctions are hurting Putin.
Now try and figure this riddle out. If we have these sanctions in place to where he can not use the international banking system, how are we paying Russia?
There is only oneway to solve this problem. Stop importing Russian oil and drill, drill, drill. There is over 500 years of oil left in this country.
As far as sending in NATO troops, that could trigger a nuclear war, and Putin is a mad man the likes of Stalin. Starting back in the 1970s both sides agreed that MAD applied, Mutual Assured Destruction. My biggest fear is that, even if Putin would use a nuclear weapon that we wouldn’t retaliate in kind, more or less surrender. These people in power in our government, are willing to put this green deal ahead of anything, including are own security.
For one, I'm glad we're not in this dog fight but well aware it could change over time. Also I'm very happy to see oppressed people fight their own fight unlike many countries that depend on other nations sons and daughters to do their fighting. People who've never dodged bullets and incoming rounds don't really have any real idea what war is. Let's set on the side for a while, they'll be time enough for us to go if needed.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
So long as the people advocating that we get involved are willing to personally go and fight or have their sons do so, I am fine with their shouts to get involved.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Sending in UN forces is impossible. Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and can veto any such action.
The only reason UN forces went to Korea is that the old Soviet Union was staging a boycott and was not present to veto the resolution.
Why would Biden save Ukraine? He is destroying his own country, and the more we hurt the better he likes it.
That is just a great idea. Let's go to war with Russia with this idiot in charge. I think not.
+1 Buckshot Joe could barely manage to pull our forces out of Afghanistan. Can you imagine him sending troops into Ukraine? The thought is frightening.
Ahh, don't worry Mark, Kamala can handle it.
What are you talking about, she's been known to blow it! Don
Kamala; do you mean Shiggles? No disrespect meant to susie's doggie!
If you can't feel the music; it's only pink noise!
Make no mistake, the debacle that was the pull out of Afghanistan was done that way intentionally. The result was so expected and boring to Joe, he just checked his watch during the dignified transfer ceremony while the despondent families of the fallen servicemen looked on.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Let Putin “take” Ukraine. His reward will be decades of unending gorilla warfare from the inside, and ultimately his assassination from within due to the long term impacts of the sanctions. The moment he costs the oligarchs more money than he is earning them, he is no longer safe within his own boarders.
I wouldn’t have opposed better arming the Ukrainians, but to be honest that ship has sailed at any meaningful scale.
I think we have allowed this as to some degree as it benefits NATO strategy to better understand Russian capabilities, and so far a military that isn’t much more than a strong militia is holding one of the largest militaries in the world at bay with molotov cocktails, small arms and a few hundred Javelins.
The message is clear- Russia is out of their league with 2 exceptions, as a defense force of their own borders or as an aggressor using nukes.
In fact, If I’m Poland, I’m feeling pretty good right now. Poland has F16’s, PATRIOT missiles, a standing Navy, etc. etc.
I venture to say, Russia could not take Poland without a death toll in the 10’s of thousands and the loss of hundreds of millions worth of equipment. All Without NATO stepping foot in Poland.
I would give Ukraine all the Javelin’s and drones they wanted. Maybe sprinkle in some Hellfire’s for good measure.
I saw this morning that in Dnipro - a major city in eastern Ukraine, Governor Borys Filatov swore:
"We have evacuated the women and children. We have 100,000 fighters under arms and as many digging trenches and laying mines. All have sworn to defend their city to the last man. If the Russians try to invade it will be their Stalingrad."
Every Ukrainian man (and woman) knows that if Ukraine falls to the Russians, it will never be a free nation again. They are in the fight to the end.
I knew from the start this would be controversial and i have earned myself a disagree but i had to know what the members thought. Pretty much surmised that use of NATO forces was hopeless and probably illegal.
Warbirds, i would say you are just about spot on. I hope your post will prove to be true.
Yes, Boots on the Ground can be very painful. My 1st cousin and fishing buddy was KIA in Nam 11/23/1967. Grandpa was in the trenches in France. Dad was a medic WW2. My uncles i can't talk about. Uncle Grayson's youngest son was a tanker in the Storm and was never the same when he came home and took his own life. My nephew was entering the Green Zone to Baghdad and hit a IED. It killed his CO sitting next to him (West Pointer) His CO's body and field radio saved his life. Got shrapnel in face and right leg. Got out after 12 years and a lot of time in 5th SF GP. Re-entered after two years and is now a CSM at Bragg.
Sorry, did not mean to ramble on about my Army blood line. Carry on.-----------Ray
The sanctions against Russia are just more SMOKE AND MIRRORS from the Biden admin. We did NOT sanction the banks that handle their OIL MONEY. We, the USA, are sending 60 MILLION $ PER DAY to Russia buying oil. Sanctions, I call BS!!
"send in the UN Troops. If that doesn't work which may not, send in our guys with their boots on the ground"
...When you get there send me some Vereniki, and a postcard...oh, Biden is a senile moron BTW......on second thought, from top to bottom, the entire administration are complete idiots, including all spokesman, Peppermint Patty included...
(checks his pockets) Let's see, a fuzz ball, bit of lint, A buck twenty five in change, 560,000 barrels per day of oil, a gum wrapper, twenty-two shell...
Now then, what's that you were saying? You need oil? Got all you want right here. Just let me turn the switch back on.
Biden vowed not to send our soldiers.
After all of this is over with they'll be only one type of winner....the arms dealers....every nation on earth right down to the smallest & poorest will be stockpiling weapons and munitions of every type known. If you're a shooter now is the time to stock up, prices won't be going down anytime soon.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
The oil companies own the wells and the oil. They pump it, transport it, refine it and sell it. They're international companies. Not American companies. It's theirs. Not ours. If anyone thinks the price of gas is bad now, just imagine what it would be if the Russian oil was taken out of the market.
3/3/2022 7:15PM I just looked at the carnage. I knew it would come to this. Putin is a Madman. Who will stop him?---------------------------------Ray
Reports say his troops are shelling the largest nuclear power plant in Europe.
If so he has lost his mind for sure.
I just watched it on the boob tube and the place is blazing away. The structures in that area look as bad or worse than Berlin, London, Dresden. He is holding the world hostage with his missiles and now he just might contaminate half of Europe.----------------Ray
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The clowns running our government now can't even defend our own border, getting involved with another countries war isn't our problem but if you want to fly over there yourself and fight then knock yourself out.
Where are the foreign fighters to help and why not send privet contractors like Black Water.
We have chosen to withdraw from the role of "the World's Policeman."
It is not our citizens who are paying the price of our self-indulgence.
Troops are not needed. Military is not needed. All that is needed is for the US and Europe countries to stop buying Russian oil and natural gas. The puny sanctions aren't stopping anything. Stopping buying energy would totally collapse their economy.
Yes, this would help some but a very small part of the big picture. From what I am seeing less than 3% for the USA. They are begging for a "No Fly Zone" which would help some but the real carnage is being created by artillery and ground missile fire. ------------------Ray
Update: Just saw a congressman on the TV and he claimed we buy 8% of our oil from Russia. Beginning to wonder if anyone knows how much we buy from Russia.
Randy, I would be willing to personally go but I don't think I could come up with enough firepower in my Garand with its en bloc clip. To make matters worse, my new NY State Drivers License says Veteran but it won't get me on a plane. And then there is the matter of a Passport. And then there is this little problem, I never got the damn vaccine shots or the booster.----------------------------Ray
Make no mistake. If the world does not find a way to stop Putin, he will continue to be a real problem for the world. -----------------------Ray
I thought Sean Penn was going to take care of everything? He was over there this week but last report and pictures showed him abandoning his car and hightailing it out of the Ukraine on foot toward the Polish border. What a man!
Oh! For these elite celebrities, THE WORLD IS THEIR OYSTER! Us peons are just plain CRACKERS!
As a student of history , I have learned that appeasement of tyrants and dictators never works / ends well . Anyone remember Poland in 1968 ? Afghanistan and Crimea ? Putin is not stupid or insane but cunning as a fox . History has shown him that he can do as he please with few repercussions . His goal is to remake the old soviets union ,by force, and restore himself to the old kgb good ole days of glory .He waited trumps administration out . Had trump been reelected he would have put this off for another 4 years .
Trump is getting nailed right now for having said that Putin is a smart guy..........i.e. cunning like a fox.
I hate liberals
I just read where Trump said we should paint Chinese Insignia on all of our war planes and bomb the crap out of Russia. 😂
He really is a genius!!
I am sure Sleepy Joe's chaotic exit from Kabul was a big factor on Putin's timing of the invasion of Ukraine. In his demented mind he probably sees the USA as a Paper Tiger.
We could use those weapons of war now to help the Ukrainians one would think. By the time they get pilots in the cockpits of those Migs from Poland the carnage will be ten times worse.
Hard to believe but I have seen some reports and video of our prior service guys flying into Poland to fight side by side with Ukrainian Army. I guess we will have a few boots on the ground. Hard to turn your back on a country that has such a thirst for FREEDOM.--------Ray
In a straight up conventional war with Russia, the U.S. would kick their butts in 6 weeks.
NO US boots on the ground! This is a European problem, let European troops die. America has shed enough of its son's blood in Europe bailing them out. We can send bombs and bullets but forget troops. If Europe can't handle the issues in Europe what good are they? Europe is a Socialist/Progressive nightmare funding their defense out of our American pockets. Maybe they will start getting serious about their defense and stop giving everyone 12 weeks vacations and 30 hour work weeks.