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Some changes on the auction sight are a coming,
Grasshopper
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A lot actually, just got the email. Better read this one sellers .
Words not allowed,
not, frt, frt 15, rare breed trigger, wot, forced trigger reset, Venmo, Zelle, Cashapp, cash app, Googlepay, Google pay, apple pay, Applepay, Nazi, KKK
Repeat sentences along with other things. Never thought NAZI in describing a WW-2 firearm would not be allowed, not complaining just heads up for sellers.
ADMIN. No complaint just sellers better read this one. If not allowed delete it or ban me or give me a raise. 🤐🤑
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What about BLM & ANTIFA or all the other inferious alphabet uncivil groups?
BPBReloading FFL listings on GunBroker
https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Sort=13&IncludeSellers=451047&PageSize=25
It seems unlikely those terms would be used to describe a firearm in any appreciable amount.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
If it will help eliminate listings such as;
raven 25 auto NOT AR 15
Tarus 22 NOT Benelli top grade shotgun
then I'm all for it
...Just more PC is creeping into every nook and cranny of our lives, insidious...
Are we awake yet?
What is FRT ?
Forced Reset Trigger for AR's. Basically if you keep pressure on it the gun will keep shooting.
Would be a great description as a repellent....
Lets hope they dont go woke.
Agree on N A Z I. Although I am not a collector of such, there are many who are and the proof marks add considerable value.
I never got that email Walt, is it a legit one?
No..........I am asleep by current standards..............and I will hibernate in my state of "unwokeness"
Yes Todd it is. From Gunbroker support and had Gunbroker sending address. i just checked again. MAYBE, went to spam, would think it would go to all sellers on here since I do that some. If you want it PM your email and will forward it.
I didn't get it though I think I know why. After 40 years of the same e-mail address, I was forced to change it. How do I change my e-mail address on Gunbroker?
@cbxjeff try looking at this post for changing your email:
I understand not allowing the electronic payment services since they are so anti-gun rights, but I can't use the word "not"? Firearms are a complex subject, when selling, particularly with parts, one sometimes wants to clarify for the buyer that a specific part is NOT for certain firearms. To disallow "not" is just crazy. I have no idea what "frt, frt 15, rare breed trigger, wot, forced trigger reset" refer to, and I have pretty good knowledge on firearms. I suspect GunBroker has become like eBay and have put people in charge of writing and enforcing their "policies" who have no real knowledge on the subject of firearms. (A funny example with eBay: "trigger groups" are allowed, but one cannot sell a "sear" -- someone who made that rule heard something about "drop-in sears" making a gun fully-automatic and thought any "sear" needed to be a prohibited item.) As for the words "N a z i" and "K K K"; WWII is a part of history; Nazi markings are part of describing a lot of WWII collectable stuff. Contrary to the propaganda from the media, there is not some resurgence of "Nazism"; the people being "punished" are collectors -- who happen to be some of the best customers GunBroker has. As for "K K K" (again, there is no "resurgence" of the Ku Klux Klan, as the popular media might lead one to believe): there is a decades old company manufacturing firearm parts and accessories called "Triple K"; I own magazines from them with "KKK" on their packaging; it has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the Ku Klux Klan; if listing a Triple K item it makes sense to include that "KKK" since it's part of the brand recognition a customer might use as a search term. I think someone needs to reevaluate what the perceived "problems" are that GB is trying to resolve by banning those words.
Thanks for the info on changing e-mail address. I'll give it a try tomorrow - too late tonight.
[but I can't use the word "not"? Firearms are a complex subject, when selling, particularly with parts, one sometimes wants to clarify for the buyer that a specific part is NOT for certain firearms. To disallow "not" is just crazy.]
Well, some sellers use "not" in their title/description in what is known as keyword spamming. Example: Blah blah blah brand X rifle scope. Not Leupold/ Viper/ Burris. Then if one is searching Leupold scopes, their piece of junk shows up in the search. This is highly annoying, and GB has had a policy against that for years. There are sellers that come on these forums that have done this.
If you read the whole email, it says that those words will be removed from the title effective 10/17, and they will become effective rules for the description as of November first. I think removing the word "not" from the title will be a great thing because some sellers really abuse it. I do however, agree with competentone about using it in the description. This part will "not" fit XXX, or seller will "not" ship to YYYY, and so on.
The email is kind of vague about the whole thing really, especially when it is mentioning about only using words "once", either in the title or the description, or where they can/can't be used. With the use of all the electronic payments being disallowed, I'm surprised that paypal wasn't on their list.
Thanks Todd. If anyone has the actual text of the e-mail to share here, please do.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I get a lot of butt plates from KKK.----------------------Ray
From GBHQ...and Grasshopper of course..
On October 17, 2022 GunBroker.com will be implementing a new listing process to help create uniform listings and eliminate listing violations throughout the site.
Words not allowed: not, frt, frt 15, rare breed trigger, wot, forced trigger reset, Venmo, Zelle, Cashapp, cash app, Googlepay, Google pay, apple pay, Applepay, Nazi, KKK.
Keyword stuffing: Words and phrases will only be allowed in the title or subtitle once. If something appears more than once, the listing will be blocked and you will not be allowed to list the item until it is corrected.
Repeat Phrases: Phrases will not be allowed to be repeated in the title or subtitle. Repeating phrases will cause the listing to be blocked until it is corrected.
Repeated Words: Words cannot be repeated. This will block the listing until it is corrected.
If you are using an API feed, custom listing tool or the GB bulk lister to feed GunBroker.com, listings that have the above violations will not list. Current listings with these issues will not relist, manually or automatically. Listings that fail for these issues will need to be corrected.
Please correct all your listing prior to October 17, 2022 or you will see listing start to fail or be blocked.
Note: Similar rules will be implemented to descriptions on November 1, 2022. This includes both visible and hidden text. Words not allowed is subject to change at the discretion of GunBroker.com.
That repeated word clause will cause no end of issues.
Yes.
FRT- Campfire scene from Blazing Saddles?
Yes, I know what you mean about some adding "Not Glock, Not Colt, etc." to their titles, but that sort of dumb "selling" usually self corrects as those people using that technique don't end up having good sales because they are wasting title words. There are barely enough words allowed in the title to describe most items well, using actual terms people will be searching with; trying to "catch someone's attention" hoping to sell them something they were NOT looking for is just dumb marketing.
The thing is: GB can help eliminate that sort of nonsense by simply giving buyers better search options; let the potential buyer eliminate specific words from searches; let the buyer use exact-phrase searches; let buyers search TITLES ONLY (rather than the current system where one can only search titles AND descriptions). Blanket "bans on words" will create problems for legitimate sellers NOT trying to "game the system."
As for just eliminating "not" from titles, but allowing it in descriptions: many buyers are poor about reading descriptions, I've used "not" in titles to help clarify what I'm selling (like "Reproduction, Not USGI," or "NOT an OEM part," "Not Working, for Parts Only") as I don't want to deal with the hassle of a return when someone who is lazy just reads a title, ignores most of my description, and buys something with mistaken ideas about what they are buying.
Going after those individual sellers who violate the rules seems like a more practical solution rather than banning words -- words that actually have legitimate uses -- for everyone. The new policy is similar to gun-control advocates' thinking -- banning the gun/word, rather than going after the person misusing it.
You make some valid points. I think it's merely a matter of rephrasing some things. Consider:
Instead of: "Not Working, for parts only" (5 words, 27 characters including spaces)
Use: "Doesn't work, parts only" (4 words, 24 characters including spaces)
or: "nonworking, parts only" (3 words, 22 characters including spaces)
Instead of "Not OEM" use: "aftermarket" or "non-OEM".
It's a little "Strunk & White"-ish concision that also avoids the no-no word.
As for "Reproduction, not USGI" that's not clarifying, it's part of the problem being addressed. If it's a reproduction it isn't USGI axiomatically, and anyone searching for USGI gets your listing.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Yes, sellers can rephrase things, as you describe -- and those who are abusing the rules will also rephrase things, with phrases like "Similar to Glock, Colt, S&W" etc., so the problem will persist.
As for "USGI": considering the amount of reproductions that are labeled as "USGI" (mistakenly or in an attempt to deceive), stating clearly that something is NOT USGI isn't trying to game the system.
The best solution for these sorts of problems is to allow: 1) title only searching, 2) exact phrase searching, and 3) specific-word blocked searches. Those who are currently violating the listing rules are exploiting weaknesses of the current search system. Additionally, if GB can identify the banned words, so they can block those listings, they should just as easily be able to warn the sellers engaging in the rule breaking, and ban those SELLERS if they persist in violating the rules.
Yep, just because you have one employee who regularly shows up late doesn't mean yo need to send out a company wide reminder....
Like AK47 and AK-47 lots more show with the dash, person must use his noodle to list and get maximum exposure.