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elubsme
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It is better than nothing, a lot better, and makes a loud noise. I just love my N.A.A. revolver. I carry it in my pocket everywhere I go. It is very discreet. Heck I even carry at the gym! Practice is the key word to accuracy. The little fellow does kick, on the first cylinder full I pealed back a thumb nail. But, as a last ditch defense weapon, I highly recommend it. It does look awesome staring down the muzzle at poker table distances. It is not my first choice, but is a great back up to my regular carry or.....nothing at all. Check out the videos on yoo toob, you will be impressed.
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Many yrs back in my ccw class a lot of new gun owners I think their was 25 maybe a few more inches class assorted experience the teachers were two Leo officers and a couple certified instructors at a indoor gun range
Any way one comment was made a 22 in the eye beats a 45 in the thie
they were telling all the new gun owners use what you are sure of and can shoot the best and not going big and not being able to handle it recoil and missing g your shots .
I use to carry a colt vest pocket 25 acp
It was small and underpowered but was easy to concel no matter what I was wearing .
I took it every where with me just like my pocket knife I put my paints on the colt went into a pocket
I would take along a 45 acp on some trips if out of town and later on retired the little colt i still have it going on 45 maybe 46 yrs now
Some years back I bought a xds 45 and also xds 9mm when they came out that are small easy to conceal I carry eather or most all the time
As you state a 22 may be small but has did its share of defending its owners
Any gun pointed at someone looks way bigger any way when your on the receiving end
If your comfortable with it and can shoot it well
Sounds like a good choice
State Trooper vs NAA mini. It was a fluke that he got hit beneath the vest, in his arm pit.
But as Mercutio said in Romeo and Juliet, having just been stabbed with one of those skinny little Italian swords, "Tis not as deep as a well, nor as wide as a church door, but it is enough..."
The South Carolina Highway Patrol has a proud tradition dating back to when the Highway Patrol was created in 1930. The Patrol is an organization with a rank structure similar to the armed forces. Since its inception, graduates of The Citadel, my alma mater, have honorably served as troopers in the South Carolina Highway Patrol. In the past 88 years, 19 troopers have been killed by gunfire.
On 20 November 1992, Trooper Mark Coates, a marine veteran and father of four, was shot and killed after stopping a car for weaving in traffic on I-95 near the Georgia state line. During the traffic stop, the driver, Richard Blackburn, began to struggle with Trooper Coates and both fell to the ground. Blackburn fired a .22 caliber handgun bullet into Trooper Coates' chest that was stopped by his vest. Trooper Coates was able to kick Blackburn off and returned fire, striking Blackburn five times with his .357 Revolver loaded with Winchester plus P cartridges.
Blackburn was shot in his left buttocks destroying his hip and later required a hip replacement. He was struck in the back of his right arm causing massive tissue damage. A metal rod was surgically implanted from his elbow to shoulder. Another bullet exited between his spine and left kidney. A fourth bullet went through his right arm exiting the left side of his chest and a fifth round penetrated his left shoulder and exited his right chest. As Trooper Coates moved to cover and radioed for backup, Blackburn, despite his devastating gunshot injuries, fired another shot. This second round struck Trooper Coates in the left armpit beneath his ballistic vest and travelled into his heart.
Dave did you happen to take that course in Celina at the Fish and Game club?
It was in Celina but I don't recall rhe name of the gun shop putting it on but I think it was a t the fish and game club
It was just a couple weeks after Ohio passed the law to have a ccw and getting in any class was almost impossible
But a coworkerand his dad knew one of the fellows maybe more , doing the class and ask me if I wanted to go . of course it was a no brainer
It was a three maybe four day ordeal
We went to some local gun shop at a indoor range to do the shooting part
Fun note
They spit us in two person groups to do the shooting part
The guy I was paired up with had a 22 of some variety and he shot first I stood behind him
Then my turn he had to stand behind me I took a colt 45 acp and of course it wss many times louder than his 22 and the muzzle blast was a lot more .
after I shot he was mad said it too loud and scaryi.lol. and if he knew I was shooting such a pistol he would have never let them pairhim up with me
I had only been to Celina a few times so rhe whole place was new to me and I met up and road with my buddy and his dad
Their last name is Wells I think his dad passed away several years ago he was good man and I enjoyed meeting him
I keep a Jennings J-22 as my "wader" gun and have been known to carry it in a pocket to low-threat social gatherings. In the field, I keep a snake shot load in the chamber and then a full magazine of hollowpoints. It won't eject a snake load but I have carefully tuned the gun to cycle anything else reliably. From the factory, the extractor was too short to fully come over the case rim. I fixed that by honing a wee bit off the back side of the hook.
I have actually had to dispatch a snake with it. Those crimped .22LR shot loads are awful, but work if you're close enough. Then again, if you're far enough that they don't, a snake is no threat.
I drop a NAA 22 Magnum in my pocket on occasion. Figure its got a bit of umph comig out the front end at short range.
I had to put a bit bigger grip on it to hold on to the recoil.
When I'm out mowing or in the back yard, it's first shell up is Snake shot. We have a few water moccasins around.
Tell me where to buy snake shot? Got it listed on the auctions for $66 a box. Sober up!
Can't help with that. My supply is decades old.
@JimmyJack try searching for just 22 bird shot or shell shot you should be able to find some cheaper, although still more than regular lead round nose.
Diamondback DB380 with polymer coated bullets. Not much bigger than a zippo lighter.
I've got 2 KelTec P-17s that function perfectly.They are a handy size and if 17 rounds of 22 LR don't work,you need to get the hell out of there anyway.
I had a Taurus tip-up barrel .22 I thought would be the cat's meow. It was more like something from the other end of the cat.
I had two Ruger Bearcats over the years and loved them. Great hiking gun, but not for concealed carry. Eventually sold both of them because I also have a convertible Single-Six that isn't much bigger and is a lot more versatile.
My smallest serious carry gun is a Hungarian PA-63 Makarov. Delightful gun with a sharper recoil than you'd expect. But for recoil, my original manufacture Charter Arms Bulldog .44 Special delivers at both ends.
I carried a walther TPH for a while it was accurate and dependable. But it was a last resort and it was the early 1980s.
I have a Charter Arms .44 Special I keep in the tractor inside a holster bolted to the framework. I only had to use it twice since I put it in there about 6-7 years ago.
Joe
My smallest gun would be a colt junior 25acp. Smallest serious carty would be a pa-63 9mm markarov. Have been known to carry a mauser hsc 380.
Yes I carry the NN 22 magnum some times. I do have a CZ=45 in 25 ACP too. But most days slip the Keltec 380 in my front pocket (holstered).
If I need to go up, its my new Dagger 9mm from Palmetto (Glock Clone).
My CZ-75 just got too heavy to carry. and the way I'm built its tough to carry any more.
I got my daughter a J-22 when she started riding her horse in the hills.
Maybe 15 + yrs ago I bought some jennings 22 lr pistols thru a ffl friend . He sold to me at dealer cost at that time just under 50.00 each and i gave away as Christmas presents to some family and inlaws that were always wanting a gun just in case so I thought it would be a good idea at least a comfort feeling for them
I tested them all with cci ammo they all worked fine no fauls or jams and gave each a box of cci ammo along with the gun
I told them it's not a weekend dump countless rounds thru it would take that much use but to just have to possible save your self or scare off a threat they would be fine
I still have one in the safe I test fired and put it away . I trust it but have other options that make better choices
I have yet to meet any one that would say it's just a 22 go ahead shoot me lol
As a paramedic, I worked 11 cases where the patient died from a single .22 LR shot to the torso.
smallest we have is wife's LCP .380
When I started working construction around 1977 or so
One of the first fellows I worked with was a big fellow classic barrel chested, Not a huge guy but was above average
We were talking one day about guns and shooting and I said I had a 25 auto I carried
He said get a bigger gun lol
When he was a bit younger in a bar one night he told me a another fellow got into a fight with him then proceded to empty a 25 acp pistol into his chest
I am guessing he had a thick coat and the booze had himabit numb but I never ask .
He showed me the scars all in a small circle about 5 maybe 6 inches in diameter and said he was still able to beat down the guy who shot him as the crowd pulled them apart and the police arrived
That day made me rethink carrying the vest pocket colt 25 acp and I moved up the ladder in caliber asap
No matter if you miss any vital areas just remember the bad guy not like the movies may not want to just fall over dead. Lol
I remember reading where Jeff Cooper said, if it can down to having to use a 25 acp as his only choice, he would sooner use his fist.
I am seeing the .25 acp with 62 foot pounds of energy, and the .22 LR with 94 foot pounds. Fifty percent more power with the .22
Plus the .22 bullet is more slender. You are going to get much better penetration with the .22
ER docs, and Operating Room surgeons know the .22 LR to be a vicious man-killer.
I carry an NAA Pug in .22 Mag as a back up when doing security at our church. Easy to conceal and with a decent enough set of sights to be useful.....
I can't comment on the feet poundages, but if I recall correctly, I chronoed loads from my Jennings and got no more than 700-800 fps with most ammo. CCI Stingers got a bit more, but weren't as reliable because they somehow disturbed the ejection cycle. The only expansion I got was from the original Winchester PowerPoints (the Aussie-made ones) I still have a few boxes of those in my bin. That's all from memory of decades ago, so take it as non-gospel.
Ahhh yes, Jeff Cooper!! He carried a .45 because Colt didn't make a .46! And then there was Elmer Keith shooting out houses at 500 yards with his .44. As for using my fist, turning the little NAA around butt first at a 90 degree angle makes a darn good knuckle duster. Besides I'm too old to fight ennymore.
So, is he still carrying around over 300 grains of lead or did he did 'em out with his Barlow knife hisself????
LOL...........when I was a young pup in the military.........and just starting out buying guns, I bought one of those J-22 s brand new for $89. Long gone now.......but never had an FTF with that little pot metal piece.
I don’t own a NAA mini but I have shot one. Neat little gun. Smallest gun I currently have is a first gen LCP.
The 1st gen LCP has a LONG trigger pull and a sharp bite at the end! 😁
ANY reliable gun is better than no gun, or an unreliable gun.
FIL has toted a NAA 22 mag for years. At 10 yards or less, it is VERY deadly! Will it drop a bad guy in his tracks, prob not unless you get a high central nerve shot BUT most pistol calibers will NOT stop someone DRT without a high central nerve shot!
There is NO perfect gun, just make sure you have a reliable gun IF you ever need one!
The problem I had with my Jennings (which cost me $65) was that the extractor hook was JUST too short to come over the case rim. So it would fire and cycle as though it had no extractor at all, using residual gas pressure, but wouldn't extract a live round. I fixed that in a few minutes after removing the extractor hook.
Yes, here are issues carrying a striker-fired gun with a dubious safety, but as long as you know those issues, you're probably okay. I managed to find three spare magazines for mine and they're probably worth more than the gun is now -- each.
I guessing the hospital fished them out for him I did not ask a lot of questions but he did have several round holes where they went in
Just guessing I wager none of them went in to any thing vital .he was a lage guy so muscle and fat most likely stopped any major damage
It also reminded me of another guy I worked with about the same time
He had a huge scar the shape of a iron the one you iron with clothes with
He Came home drunk after a night out his wife was doing laundry and ironing clothes
He came in said how about a hug honey as he got close she stuck the iron on to his stomach .
it Hurt just looking at the scar .
The 22 lr is the most lethal and most used caliber when it comes to statistics. Have seen dozens of people coming in the ER when I was employed dead with the 22 caliber.
I seem to recall yrs ago it was said the 22 was the most popular caliber pistol to "off "some one with in the mob and Gangs
But as they are getting head shot i will guess and not returning fire the posibility a misfire or dud the bigest reason for not using one in self defense
in such a seting it will not effect the out come just delay it