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Guns for Illegals?
An Obama appointed judge mind you. 4473 change coming soon?
If illegals can purchase firearms NICs background checks need to end as well.
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The Hatians will bring their own guns. Lock and load.
Well by Enter the US illegally. You thereby when answering the questions on the 4473 on question 21.l. " Are you an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United Sates." In Violation of the LAW.
The Dealer is not allowed to process the firearm. We take all the Id information and retain the 4473 for our files. As required.
We stop prior to calling in to Nics check.
Agree however, legal citizens obtain firearms legally. Illegals can only obtain firearms illegally and obviously by illegal means.
Essentially, the judge appears to validate the illegals ownership of a firearm despite current laws proclaiming the illegal cannot obtain a gun thru present legal means. The whole scenario does not make sense to me anyway and IMHO has a distinct political stench to it.
In my neck of the woods in Salinas it's been like that for gawed knows how long? I think the only difference these days are the 80%, jigs and a drill/router.
Not being a Legal Citizen , What gives them the Right any wayt!
Should not be able to"
Drive (no license)
Vote (not a Citizen)
Work and Pay Taxes.
Interesting comments from a forum where one would think the spirit of the 2nd Amendment would be understood.
The Declaration of Independence tells us that we are endowed with certain rights by our Creator, one of them being the right to liberty.
If we are endowed thusly by our Creator, the condition of citizenship has no bearing upon this right. The right to vote is a governmental created right and thus can be conditioned on citizenship. The right to liberty cannot be.
So we are faced with a dilemma of our own making. We can either deport the person, or uphold our founding and protect the natural and unalienable of the person we are allowing to stay in our country.
My reading of the Declaration of Independence and the 2nd Amendment forces me to agree with the court.
I still think the person should be deported, which would eliminate this ridiculous problem to begin with.
Brad Steele
Good point Don.
Don, with all due respect, agree with the spirit & intent of the 2A. Carbajal was arrested in Chicago. He had no prior criminal record and was living a productive life and presented no public danger. Current laws as written. especially in gun controlled Illinois make it impossible for Carbajal to legally acquire firearm. Key word legally,
IMHO the laws preventing Carbajal from legally acquiring are unconstitutional.
hoosier - Pretty sure them "international" driver's license "allows" any of them to drive here. Lawd I wish them Chinamen from China wouldn't here but they do. As for voting here in California we got special allowances. This will keep this "great" state blue forever. Glad I won't be alive much longer Lawd willing but I think he's gonna curse me with longer than I think life.
I don't care if they work as long as they do and not get freebies like the Americans that been for generations. I guess for them it is work to keep getting hand outs for generations.
Like Ruger said, good point Don. One good reason to deport them posthaste. They can enjoy their creator given rights in the country of their birth, as I don't cotton to the idea of illegals running around with guns.
The key point, HPD. I would amplify in by removing the ‘with guns’, however.
Brad Steele
Isn't it really country given right? As much as I'd like to see Mexican Heysus (I'd like to think he looks like Danny Trejo) he gave me no rights.
Here I got plenty of American born bangers of Southern persuasion (no not Foghorn Leghorn) running around with guns. Personally I like everyone to be armed.
ILLEGALS ARE NOT US CITIZENS AND THEREFORE SHOULD HAVE NO RIGHTS TO ANYTHING.
You say that like if anyone's listening or paying any mind.
Let us be careful, mobuck.
This attitude leads us to the concept that governments are instituted to grant rights rather than protect them. This country is allowing these people to stay and thus they are legally here - legal residents. Anyone legally here retains all of their god given rights.
we need to re-label them as illegal and deport them; not create a class of less-than-human persons in limbo to be exploited by people and government at will.
Brad Steele
Yeah, we fought a civil war over that very thing. However, just because a law is not enforced doesn't make it not a law.
I have lived in Illinois all my life. Since 1968 RESIDENCES of Illinois have been required to have a Fire Arm Owners Identification card (FOID card) in order to: buy and possess a firearm. Along with being a resident of Illinois you must also be a citizen of the United States. A republican representative in the Illinois congress brought up that fact and said, if ILLEGAL immigrants can purchase and possess a firearm then there is no need to have an FOID card anymore in Illinois.
Any judge that rules an illegal immigrant has more rights than a citizen of the United States is an enemy of the constitution and of the United States.
Your first paragraph is spot on, waltermoe. Where you lose me is when you look to liberty negative solution rather than advocating for a use of this precedent to eliminate the FOID system in Illinois altogether. The judge made the right decision for all people who are granted legal residence in this country. Therefore the requirement that negatively impacts citizens with respect to non-citizens must be removed.
Brad Steele
Rights are bestowed to people by God. The US constitution restricts the US government from infringing those rights (a handful of these rights are specifically enumerated). If rights were bestowed by the US Government or were the US government not restrained by its governing documents, then they would be just in revoking, redistributing, or simply not acknowledging them (even infringing them) irrespective of citizenship. But since the US government is not endowed with the power to bestow which God alone can endow, and is so constrained regarding infringement thereof, it is unjust when it does so even to aliens. Other governments are similarly un-endowed with such power (to bestow rights) but are not so constrained regarding infringement thereof (wrongfully so, IMO, but that is beside the point) and so such justice does not exist within the confines of their borders. This situation creates an inequality which favors being within the US borders (and is at least one reason many migrate here).
To my view, the only argument that remains is whether the US Government is restrained from infringing rights it is powerless to bestow (and it is powerless to bestow any rights) outside the confines of its borders. The founding documents did not specify, so it could be argued that it is a power not granted. That is what I would argue anyway. One must keep in mind the US government is endowed (by the constitution) only with the specific enumerated powers listed therein. Other powers not listed are reserved to the people or the several states. At least I think I read that somewhere.
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