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2-23-04 Please Mail 2 Me After Reading & Signing
tr fox
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THE LESSOR OF TWO EVILS
Two groups for two long have been operating in plain sight while "owning" and controlling America. Unless patriotic Americans force one simple voting law change, the Democrats and Republicans will continue to rule for another hundred years. This exclusive and lengthy two party reign has often caused unnecessary suffering and loss for the America people. Plus it has caused many voters to feel as if they were being asked to vote for the lessor of two evils when they enter the voting booth; it has even caused millions of voters to just not vote at all.
The problem that needs correcting is that voters are afraid to spend their one precious vote on anyone other than a Democrat or a Republican. In the rare instances of an alternative candidate running for office, that candidate is widely expected to lose. This becomes a self-fulfilling expectation because most voters will not "waste" their vote on an expected loss. Therefore, they paradoxically play it "safe" and give their vote to what may be their second choice; the Democratic or Republican candidate. Under these circumstances it is virtually impossible for a political competitor to gain entrance to this exclusive political club owned by the Democrats and Republicans. Most Americans expect numerous and varied choices in television, radio and cable stations, religions, telephone, transportation, automotive, stores and merchants, etc. The American voter also needs and deserves more political choices.
A reasonable change in the voting laws would finally give citizens true freedom of political choice. Change to allow each voter to vote for as many candidates for any particular office as they choose. An example would be three candidates running for a presidential or congressional office. A voters first choice might actually be the 3rd (the alternative) party candidate. But as explained earlier, the voter is afraid to waste their one vote on a likely loss. So the voter plays it safe and reluctantly shifts his support away from his true choice and instead gives his one vote to his second choice. If the simple voting law change was made and that voter could vote for more than one candidate for a particular office, then the voter could have voted for his/her first and second choice. The current practice of the candidate winning the most votes/electoral votes winning the election would of course remain unchanged.
Until this change is made, the Democrats and Republicans will continue to lockout all challengers. This voting change would be good for America. Because for over one hundred years the Democrats and Republicans have smugly taken turns controlling America. Controlling without having to reform their behavior in response to any political pressure except the predictable pressure from each other. This two party control has harmed America. We have over taxation, excessive and wasteful spending, staggering government debts being passed onto our children, partial truths and outright lies dispensed to the trusting citizens, frequent government skirting of our constitution and bill of rights, appointment of judges, executives and managers who often display more loyalty to their party instead of to the constitution or even to fairness and common sense. Both parties robbing the Social Security "Trust Fund", and even giving part of America to people who should not even be here. But regardless of how badly a political party behaves in office, they know that their turn in power will soon come around again.
The average American can only be heard by the power elite if those Americans join together and speak as one. If you agree with this voting change idea, please join your voice with others who share our vision. Please sign and return this letter to me. When I have received enough signed letters I will use them to try and influence different groups and organizations, especially the approximately 40 alternative political parties in America. Those political parties could benefit greatly if they would divert some of their time, money and energy to cause this voting change which would "level the playing field" for them. This leveling would, for the first time, give them an actual chance to provide some much needed competition to the present two party system. Along with signing and returning this letter, I also urge you to use your own creative ideas on how you may promote this needed change.
Signed Sincerely,
printed name
address
e-mail address
Dear Reader, IMPORTANT: to print, click on the "printer friendly" choice at the top right of the topic screen. Also instruct your printer to print only page 1 through 2, because there are approximately 26 pages here that you don't want to use up ink printing. Hopefully, this letter will print as a two full page letter. If not, then please detach at the dotted line and if you agree with the thoughts expressed in this letter, sign and mail to me. Only provide as much information as you feel comfortable giving. But remember that the more completed the letter is, the more effective it will be. I will not encourage doubt by asking for any monetary help with this project. But I am just an average person and there will be noticeable expenses with this project (postage, cost of copies, envelopes, office expense, etc.). So if you can spare them, please include a few unused postage stamps with your letter to at least help with the postage. So if you are in agreement with the letter, of if you have suggestions or questions, mail to : TAKE BACK AMERICA, 2111 E. Santa Fe, Suite 147, Olathe, KS 66062-1606. And feel free to copy this letter and paste it on other boards, send it to friends, or anywhere else you think we might gain support for such an important issue. Together we CAN make a difference. And thank you.
Two groups for two long have been operating in plain sight while "owning" and controlling America. Unless patriotic Americans force one simple voting law change, the Democrats and Republicans will continue to rule for another hundred years. This exclusive and lengthy two party reign has often caused unnecessary suffering and loss for the America people. Plus it has caused many voters to feel as if they were being asked to vote for the lessor of two evils when they enter the voting booth; it has even caused millions of voters to just not vote at all.
The problem that needs correcting is that voters are afraid to spend their one precious vote on anyone other than a Democrat or a Republican. In the rare instances of an alternative candidate running for office, that candidate is widely expected to lose. This becomes a self-fulfilling expectation because most voters will not "waste" their vote on an expected loss. Therefore, they paradoxically play it "safe" and give their vote to what may be their second choice; the Democratic or Republican candidate. Under these circumstances it is virtually impossible for a political competitor to gain entrance to this exclusive political club owned by the Democrats and Republicans. Most Americans expect numerous and varied choices in television, radio and cable stations, religions, telephone, transportation, automotive, stores and merchants, etc. The American voter also needs and deserves more political choices.
A reasonable change in the voting laws would finally give citizens true freedom of political choice. Change to allow each voter to vote for as many candidates for any particular office as they choose. An example would be three candidates running for a presidential or congressional office. A voters first choice might actually be the 3rd (the alternative) party candidate. But as explained earlier, the voter is afraid to waste their one vote on a likely loss. So the voter plays it safe and reluctantly shifts his support away from his true choice and instead gives his one vote to his second choice. If the simple voting law change was made and that voter could vote for more than one candidate for a particular office, then the voter could have voted for his/her first and second choice. The current practice of the candidate winning the most votes/electoral votes winning the election would of course remain unchanged.
Until this change is made, the Democrats and Republicans will continue to lockout all challengers. This voting change would be good for America. Because for over one hundred years the Democrats and Republicans have smugly taken turns controlling America. Controlling without having to reform their behavior in response to any political pressure except the predictable pressure from each other. This two party control has harmed America. We have over taxation, excessive and wasteful spending, staggering government debts being passed onto our children, partial truths and outright lies dispensed to the trusting citizens, frequent government skirting of our constitution and bill of rights, appointment of judges, executives and managers who often display more loyalty to their party instead of to the constitution or even to fairness and common sense. Both parties robbing the Social Security "Trust Fund", and even giving part of America to people who should not even be here. But regardless of how badly a political party behaves in office, they know that their turn in power will soon come around again.
The average American can only be heard by the power elite if those Americans join together and speak as one. If you agree with this voting change idea, please join your voice with others who share our vision. Please sign and return this letter to me. When I have received enough signed letters I will use them to try and influence different groups and organizations, especially the approximately 40 alternative political parties in America. Those political parties could benefit greatly if they would divert some of their time, money and energy to cause this voting change which would "level the playing field" for them. This leveling would, for the first time, give them an actual chance to provide some much needed competition to the present two party system. Along with signing and returning this letter, I also urge you to use your own creative ideas on how you may promote this needed change.
Signed Sincerely,
printed name
address
e-mail address
Dear Reader, IMPORTANT: to print, click on the "printer friendly" choice at the top right of the topic screen. Also instruct your printer to print only page 1 through 2, because there are approximately 26 pages here that you don't want to use up ink printing. Hopefully, this letter will print as a two full page letter. If not, then please detach at the dotted line and if you agree with the thoughts expressed in this letter, sign and mail to me. Only provide as much information as you feel comfortable giving. But remember that the more completed the letter is, the more effective it will be. I will not encourage doubt by asking for any monetary help with this project. But I am just an average person and there will be noticeable expenses with this project (postage, cost of copies, envelopes, office expense, etc.). So if you can spare them, please include a few unused postage stamps with your letter to at least help with the postage. So if you are in agreement with the letter, of if you have suggestions or questions, mail to : TAKE BACK AMERICA, 2111 E. Santa Fe, Suite 147, Olathe, KS 66062-1606. And feel free to copy this letter and paste it on other boards, send it to friends, or anywhere else you think we might gain support for such an important issue. Together we CAN make a difference. And thank you.
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When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
At least we can say that we tried SOMETHING.
Instead of just bi*ching about it, like most people do.
And who knows, history has proven that "one man can make a difference."
The gene pool needs chlorine.
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
Being as that is the ONLY change I would make, I have to say "very good job" TR.
Also I wish there was someway wwe could get some attention from the majority on the general discussion side. But I am not about to call their attention to this idea because some of those people really don't like me and I would just be setting myself up for abuse. Again.
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
I like the idea. Count me in. I'd gladly sign either of your letters. Very, very good idea.
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
This is the only way we have at our disposal, to do any brainstorming.
Of course I think all my brain would produce is a little squall, if that.
TRAP55, Welcome to the outlands. [:D]
The gene pool needs chlorine.
Also, as a conservative Catholic, I don't like the thought of voting for somebody who is pro-abortion. My ideal candidate would be someone who is 100% pro-life and 100% pro-gun, not these on-again-off-again-too-scared-to-make-a-stand politicians.
trapp55: I will sent a final copy of the letter to the address you posted after I post the final copy and get last minute responses from some of the guys here. I hope you will fill the mailbox (which I need to go rent).
dsmith: we are not actually trying to promote any particular alternative political party, just trying to bring about the circumstances where all alternative parties can actually have a chance at winning elections.
(final letter posted 2-23-04)
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
dsmith, it sounds as though you and I have the same political ideology, as my two main issues are gunrights and abortion as well. Other issues like taxes, entitlements, anything that undermines the constitution are important as well, but those are the two I work hardest on.
I have no input to add to the letter as I think you guys covered it VERY well. Thanks to you both and anybody else that comes up with anything that was missed, though I do not know what that would be. If I do think of anything before final draft, I will post it.
Update. My co-worker J.Wolf took a copy of my letter and pickenups letter home to work on helping perfect it. His girlfriend Donna got interested and after she understood the idea about the voting change she loved it. She made an offer which unless someone here has reasons not to do so, I plan on doing. After we get the letter perfected she wants to take it to her workplace, Kansas University in Lawrence, KS and show it to a couple of Political Science professors and get their opinion. NOT THAT WE ARE GOING TO RETREAT ON THIS IDEA, but if those professors can alert us to any vague or unworkable idea or part of an idea expressed in the letter we would be able to "clean it up" before exerting effort to spread it as far and wide as we can. I know this means another delay, but I think feedback from a couple of experts can be priceless in that we might not launch an idea that would be easily shot down, but would make the idea as "perfect" as possible. And since I have been mulling this idea over for a few decades, another week or so won't hurt. But I at the same time I don't want you guys to lose interest. Everyone ok with that? Roll call.
(final letter posted 2-23-04)
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
The more the merrier. A small delay is not going to hurt us. I would be extremely interested in the professors "professional" opinions. We want to get it as "right" as possible the FIRST time. Who knows, they might shoot us full of holes. (pun intended)
dsmith,
As tr fox pointed out, we are not endorsing any ONE political party. I think we should mail these to as many political parties as we can. We just used Libertarian in the outline, as it is the third largest party. And in the final copy, we should not have the word "Libertarian" in it.
Maybe we should work on that now? Hmmm......
Disclaimer;
I am a Libertarian, as they come closer (to what I believe) than any other party. Even though I do NOT believe in "everything" their platform stands for. They come closer than anyone else.
The gene pool needs chlorine.
PICKENUP...Thanks for the welcome! I like the "outlands" ,my kinda people!
R/
Dave
How different the world would be if we could consult the veteran instead of the politician. - Henry Miller
pickenup, you are on to something with your comment. I am planning on removing any reference to any PARTICULAR alternative party. Reason being, as has already been questioned by one of our members, this is not about any one alternative party such as the Liberterians and we don't want to confuse any potential supporters by not making that clear. As you have stated, it about giving voters more choices from ALL the alternative parties, no matter which one that supporter may like or dislike.
Dave W. the ready date will depend on severall things such as how much time we can spend on it here in K.C. and how quickly the political science professors respond.
But this idea is NOT going back into the bottle. The American people have the freedom and power to bring about and have any reasonable thing they want, regardless of who finds fault with it. And this will be one of those reasonable things.
(final letter posted 2-23-04)
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
Finish it I will sign it and send it your way, and thanks for the efforts!!
{)xxxx{:::::::>TRESPASSERS WILL BE VIOLATED! <:::::::}XXX(}
(final letter posted 2-23-04)
Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."
Count me in, I think we should also have the right to eject "any" public servant in "any" position or office, by way of a public vote. We must be able to control our own government not let it slip away............again.
Finish it I will sign it and send it your way, and thanks for the efforts!!
{)xxxx{:::::::>TRESPASSERS WILL BE VIOLATED! <:::::::}XXX(}
They did this with the cali.Govenor didn't they......I wonder just how many other positions in public office have that sort of a provision in other states........anyone know?????This is a somewhat pleasent thought,a tool to use to make a point,here and there???
The gene pool needs chlorine.
Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."
Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."
Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."
LH, One i'd like to see is; No tax,fee,or goverment employee wage increase may be levied until approved by the voters on a ballot initiative. Have you ever compared the wage levels between civil service and the private sector?
Yes I have,and most of the Politicians get more in benifets than a lot os Americans get in pay.....and their pay is around 3X the avg.working stiff as well!Growing up I lived near a gov't.installation where the "gophers"made more than most anyone on the outside.These were just folks that simply go from one place to another distributing papers ,sometimes they actually bring things needed,mostly they just keep walking ariound looking like they are.But they can't be "fired"Gotta go thru the union for that....Its worse on Capitol Hill,Someone do a search and get a list of the workers there,heck leave the poiticians out of it,just the workers,see how many there are,what their job description is and how much Money they make.Its a real eye opener for anyone that hasn't seen it! Ultimatly we have ourselves to blame....so busy trying to make more money to get more "things"that we have not paid attention ........
an bring about a democracy that is too democratic. It's too good of an idea it seems to me, so it would be thought of as number 1 on the must destroy list[:p] So get ready to be martyred I'm in.[;)]
Woodsie