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Anyone got a good load data for a .357 Revolver using 200 grain bullets?
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of loads for the 200 gr bullet in that case.
LBT 358 200 FN Cast, 1.62 COL:
H110 13.0gr 955 fps CCI550
HS6 6.5gr 801 fps CCI500
2400 12.0gr 955 fps CCI500
IMR 4227 13.5gr 1,020 fps CCI550
195gr Lyman 358430 Cast, 1.676 COL:
Unique 5.5gr 902 fps CCI500
2400 12.0 1,022 fps CCI500
4756 7.0 978 fps CCI500
IMR 4227 12.0 907 fps CCI550
I've used the Lyman 358430 and the Remington factory 200-grain all-lead swaged bullet that they designed for the .38 Special, in the .357. The powder in both was Winchester 296 at the max, but I don't remember the exact charge weight. These loads were fired from a 6-inch S&W, and shot appreciably high with the rear sight bottomed out. But they were accurate. Depending on your rear sight, you may need a taller front sight. If memory serves, velocity was over 1,200. The sectional density of these things, even at 1,200, I found made them hard to stop in any soft medium. When they had penetrated about as far as a 150-grainer would altogether, they would turn sideways and keep on truckin', causing even more damage.
I am working up loads for a 4" Model 28 S&W. It needs a new rear sight blade. Do you happen to know the height of the rear sight blade on that 6" S&W? I have a couple of choices and was hoping to order the correct height for long range shooting.
quote:Originally posted by machine gun moran
I've used the Lyman 358430 and the Remington factory 200-grain all-lead swaged bullet that they designed for the .38 Special, in the .357. The powder in both was Winchester 296 at the max, but I don't remember the exact charge weight. These loads were fired from a 6-inch S&W, and shot appreciably high with the rear sight bottomed out. But they were accurate. Depending on your rear sight, you may need a taller front sight. If memory serves, velocity was over 1,200. The sectional density of these things, even at 1,200, I found made them hard to stop in any soft medium. When they had penetrated about as far as a 150-grainer would altogether, they would turn sideways and keep on truckin', causing even more damage.
I am working up loads for a 4" Model 28 S&W. It needs a new rear sight blade. Do you happen to know the height of the rear sight blade on that 6" S&W? I have a couple of choices and was hoping to order the correct height for long range shooting.
It was a Model 19 that was purchased new, and came with whatever sight was stock.
Either a shorter rear sight blade or a taller front sight is required. A taller front sight gives much more latitude for sight regulation with 200-grain bullets. You have an M28, and the front sights on those are milled integral with the barrel. They can be planed off and the base dovetailed or slotted for a taller blade. On the M27's, the front blades are slotted and pinned, and are replaceable. I currently shoot 200-grainers over 5 grains of Blue Dot from a .38 Special M15, and I was able to regulate the load by lowering the rear blade height with a file, with commensurate deepening of the notch, and you may be able to do it with an M28.
quote:Originally posted by blazerhp
quote:Originally posted by machine gun moran
I've used the Lyman 358430 and the Remington factory 200-grain all-lead swaged bullet that they designed for the .38 Special, in the .357. The powder in both was Winchester 296 at the max, but I don't remember the exact charge weight. These loads were fired from a 6-inch S&W, and shot appreciably high with the rear sight bottomed out. But they were accurate. Depending on your rear sight, you may need a taller front sight. If memory serves, velocity was over 1,200. The sectional density of these things, even at 1,200, I found made them hard to stop in any soft medium. When they had penetrated about as far as a 150-grainer would altogether, they would turn sideways and keep on truckin', causing even more damage.
I am working up loads for a 4" Model 28 S&W. It needs a new rear sight blade. Do you happen to know the height of the rear sight blade on that 6" S&W? I have a couple of choices and was hoping to order the correct height for long range shooting.
It was a Model 19 that was purchased new, and came with whatever sight was stock.
Either a shorter rear sight blade or a taller front sight is required. A taller front sight gives much more latitude for sight regulation with 200-grain bullets. You have an M28, and the front sights on those are milled integral with the barrel. They can be planed off and the base dovetailed or slotted for a taller blade. On the M27's, the front blades are slotted and pinned, and are replaceable. I currently shoot 200-grainers over 5 grains of Blue Dot from a .38 Special M15, and I was able to regulate the load by lowering the rear blade height with a file, with commensurate deepening of the notch, and you may be able to do it with an M28.
Thanks for the advice.
quote:Originally posted by blazerhp
quote:Originally posted by machine gun moran
I've used the Lyman 358430 and the Remington factory 200-grain all-lead swaged bullet that they designed for the .38 Special, in the .357. The powder in both was Winchester 296 at the max, but I don't remember the exact charge weight. These loads were fired from a 6-inch S&W, and shot appreciably high with the rear sight bottomed out. But they were accurate. Depending on your rear sight, you may need a taller front sight. If memory serves, velocity was over 1,200. The sectional density of these things, even at 1,200, I found made them hard to stop in any soft medium. When they had penetrated about as far as a 150-grainer would altogether, they would turn sideways and keep on truckin', causing even more damage.
I am working up loads for a 4" Model 28 S&W. It needs a new rear sight blade. Do you happen to know the height of the rear sight blade on that 6" S&W? I have a couple of choices and was hoping to order the correct height for long range shooting.
It was a Model 19 that was purchased new, and came with whatever sight was stock.
Either a shorter rear sight blade or a taller front sight is required. A taller front sight gives much more latitude for sight regulation with 200-grain bullets. You have an M28, and the front sights on those are milled integral with the barrel. They can be planed off and the base dovetailed or slotted for a taller blade. On the M27's, the front blades are slotted and pinned, and are replaceable. I currently shoot 200-grainers over 5 grains of Blue Dot from a .38 Special M15, and I was able to regulate the load by lowering the rear blade height with a file, with commensurate deepening of the notch, and you may be able to do it with an M28.
It's much easier t change the sight blade. I have about for different heights in stock, some real short ones [;)]
quote:Originally posted by machine gun moran
quote:Originally posted by blazerhp
quote:Originally posted by machine gun moran
I've used the Lyman 358430 and the Remington factory 200-grain all-lead swaged bullet that they designed for the .38 Special, in the .357. The powder in both was Winchester 296 at the max, but I don't remember the exact charge weight. These loads were fired from a 6-inch S&W, and shot appreciably high with the rear sight bottomed out. But they were accurate. Depending on your rear sight, you may need a taller front sight. If memory serves, velocity was over 1,200. The sectional density of these things, even at 1,200, I found made them hard to stop in any soft medium. When they had penetrated about as far as a 150-grainer would altogether, they would turn sideways and keep on truckin', causing even more damage.
I am working up loads for a 4" Model 28 S&W. It needs a new rear sight blade. Do you happen to know the height of the rear sight blade on that 6" S&W? I have a couple of choices and was hoping to order the correct height for long range shooting.
It was a Model 19 that was purchased new, and came with whatever sight was stock.
Either a shorter rear sight blade or a taller front sight is required. A taller front sight gives much more latitude for sight regulation with 200-grain bullets. You have an M28, and the front sights on those are milled integral with the barrel. They can be planed off and the base dovetailed or slotted for a taller blade. On the M27's, the front blades are slotted and pinned, and are replaceable. I currently shoot 200-grainers over 5 grains of Blue Dot from a .38 Special M15, and I was able to regulate the load by lowering the rear blade height with a file, with commensurate deepening of the notch, and you may be able to do it with an M28.
It's much easier t change the sight blade. I have about for different heights in stock, some real short ones [;)]
I'll be in touch. I have some honey dos getting in the way of my shade tree gun smithing . I've been away from the sight blade height measurements for couple months. I have them noted and will be in touch.
I have some 170s to load but the 200s are definitely intriguing. Do they use a gas check? If not how bad is the leading?
Russell
in this caliber.. They will use heavy 200-250 gr .358 rifle bullets intended for 35Rem or 35Whelen...Most are using 38spcl
wadcutter cases for MAX pdr capacity..Lil Gun is popular--crammed full and compressed... Freedom Arms Silh revolvers seem to
loved best followed by DW..S&W revolvers stay home when these guys play..0f course theres always the 357 RedHawk
They are nice guns tho [^]
ln my early IHMSA silh days some guys used to load their 357s with 200gr Speer .358 rifle bullets in Winchester 38 Spcl wadcuter cases. Ther powder of choice was Win 540..Small magnum rifle primer..these bullets worked ONLY in wadcutter cases. Wad cutter cases are thinner and have more case capacity than standard 38spcl cases.. This is done to allow the wadcutter bullet deeper seating that standard bullets
quote:Originally posted by footlong
ln my early IHMSA silh days some guys used to load their 357s with 200gr Speer .358 rifle bullets in Winchester 38 Spcl wadcuter cases. Ther powder of choice was Win 540..Small magnum rifle primer..these bullets worked ONLY in wadcutter cases. Wad cutter cases are thinner and have more case capacity than standard 38spcl cases.. This is done to allow the wadcutter bullet deeper seating that standard bullets
Good dope, thanks. Sounds like a project!